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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Snaggletoots]
    #26867947 - 08/07/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Plants can have more then one set, but it turns to groups. Then in nature it will turn back through diploidization. Thats more evolutionary though and back on chromosomal abnormalities. By that I mean in nature it happens through wind blown double fertilization. I know some breeders are starting to germinate single grains of pollen and through some work get haploids without chemical alteration, but this is all kind of advanced stuff. Not trying to hijack, just some parting thoughts, cheers



Yeah TC of pollen to create haploid plants is cool. There is a corresponding technique for females called anther culture. I believe you can then use colchicine to double the chromosomes again and obtain truer breeding varieties. Nasty chemical though.


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: psi]
    #26867961 - 08/07/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, you're correct. I was super interested in the wind blown double fertilization pairing to gain the same results. It's before its' time as of yet,laughing, but happening all the time. :wink:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26868060 - 08/07/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm saying that in science when your plotting out family trees each species has 1 male and 1 female, cannabis sativa is the species hemp is the male the drug cannabis is the female, your saying that hemp is both male and female would thereby contradict it because that would mean the species has more than 1 type of male, if that makes sense worded that way?

In science the plant that sends pollen out to pollinate is the male while the plant that accepts the pollen and produces seeds is female, female cannabis plants cannot naturally send out pollen unless they hermaphrodite and male cannabis plants cannot except pollen so within that species you have 1 male and 1 female

Those pictures of "hemp" farms with buds growing is what I was referring to when I said any cannabis under .3% THC is considered hemp legally, those are just female cannabis plants genetically altered through selective breeding to produce extremely low amounts of THC and extremely high amounts of CBD thus legally making them "hemp"

If I'm upsetting you like just say so man I'm assuming this is just a friendly conversation :shrug: no hard feelings or anything meant by it

The Plant genus Cannabis contains 3 subspecies C. Sativa, C. Indica, and C. Ruderalis the males are hemp while the females are not





How would hemp make seeds and continue the species if it was one sex? Do you really think hemp farmers sex their plants?

What you're saying makes no sense...


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: El Torcho]
    #26868115 - 08/07/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

He's starting from the premise that "hemp" is synonymous with male Cannabis sativa and the resulting conclusions are flawed as a result.

From what I understand, "hemp" in its modern usage can refer to at least three different things:

- varieties grown for fiber
- varieties grown for seed (which in some cases are ruderalis)
- varieties grown for CBD

Males of fiber varieties can definitely be used for fiber production, and males of all drug and non-drug varieties are useless or near useless for THC production, but the term "hemp" does not mean "male Cannabis sativa".


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: psi] * 1
    #26870796 - 08/08/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

wld nld. narrow leaf non drug var.. under a % or 2 in there classifaction i think but hemp in 1st world is under teh .3% for laws not decription of species.

hemp grown in the states is often planted as just females now for cbd flowers and cbd biomass. however this is a new thing as normally planted as reg seeds not clones or fem seeds. maybe thats what someone was talking about?? anyhoo cough cbd acid reflux.....


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: the man]
    #26871045 - 08/09/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, as far as I know, the hemp grown here consisted of only females. They had built a huge processing plant to process it all for CBD oil, but the place went bankrupt before they finished it,and it's just sitting there abandoned. This is why the farmers in my area didn't grow this year, because they lost so much last season.

I still believe that my plants are hemp now, because I sampled some big old fat, stinky smelly buds with pink hairs the other day and  I got nothing from it. I even made some hash too, and it provided no effects.

I know the plant still had a month or so to go, but I don't care, I have always been able to get ripped off of immature buds of my plants until harvest time, and so far none of my plants will even give you a head change.

I really do believe that some male hemp plants were grown here maybe for seed,and that last season my plants got pollinated.

I also believe that the male Hemp gene for low to no THC most likely is dominant, at least in my case, and that all my plants are trash.



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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26872318 - 08/09/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Never mind, I finally got what I was looking for earlier today! It appears that at least some of my plants have the goods!

I can't wait to see how they turn out in the end :excited:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26872657 - 08/10/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Never mind, I finally got what I was looking for earlier today! It appears that at least some of my plants have the goods!

I can't wait to see how they turn out in the end :excited:



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Allium said:
Never mind, I finally got what I was looking for earlier today! It appears that at least some of my plants have the goods!

I can't wait to see how they turn out in the end :excited:




Nice, that is good news! So you probably got some mixed genetics now, can't wait pictures to compare them! Keep up the good work bro


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
    #26872817 - 08/10/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks brother :cool: and yes, I'll start posting some pics next time I go out :thumbup:

Well, I ended up with some super tall sativa dominant hemp crosses in the end, of intermediate potency.

Most all the plants offered some kind of high, but there were a few that wouldn't even offer so much as a head change, so not all hemp and drug cannabis crosses will produce plants that will still get you stoned.

In the end it rendered all my plants ditch weed, up to regular weed, but nothing was super potent, no matter how well it looked in the end.

So, on that note, I'm done growing outdoor plants here, because of hemp :sad:



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