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Masks * 4
    #26870352 - 08/08/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sick of hearing about this mask controversy.

Its really not a big deal. they are mandatory here now. I started wearing them voluntarily before any private company or the municipality told me to. After a couple weeks I started forgetting they were on. Thats how non intrusive they are if you get over it.

I'm also sick of people talking down to others for not wearing a mask when they are outside, six feet apart from everyone else. I dont wear one at the beach or when I'm alone in my car. thats stupid. And I don't wear one when I'm alone with my young, fairly healthy friends either.

Its not that much to ask to ask people to try to suppress their breath around others.

Its not a libertarian principal to do whatever you want without considering the rights of others so thats not a good argument. However I do think private businesses should make their own rules not the government. that way people can choose to either go to businesses that mandate masks or not. although I do see grounds for government involvement.

Masks also aren't magic. They will prevent your breath from traveling as far as it otherwise would. But its not going to magically stop this from working its way through the population. the only way out is through. vulnerable people need to be protected and everyone else has to go back to work and live a normal life.

Plenty of places havent mandated mask because the jury is still out on exactly how effective they are. The united states acctually has more mask wearers than a lot of other western countries including here in Canada. before the mandate masks were quite rare. yet those countries that have a low percentage of mask wearers haven't done a whole lot different than the USA. some have a higher death rate, some have a lower death rate. It doesnt seem to be the end all be all solution.

out of an abundance of caution I wear a mask and dont see why so many other people wouldn't want to. But I dont brleive it or anything is going to "crush the curve" the lockdowns were started to flatten the curve and Florida, Texas, California, etc are now seeing a dropping case load with no overwhelming of the healthcare system. We need to return to normal.

tl;dr lots of people on both sides of this mask debate need to chill.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870369 - 08/08/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

*skip over  :snowman:


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Re: Masks [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26870400 - 08/08/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Listen, the ninja turtles aren’t all too excited about it either



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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870411 - 08/08/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Masks in an of itself wont crush the curve, but it is one item in a larger toolkit for combating virus spread. Unfortunately stuff like this has turned into a political issue, not a healthcare issue which is what is really causing the issue and making it such a hot topic IMO.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #26870418 - 08/08/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The jury isn't still out on how effective they are. They're very effective at reducing the rate a virus spreads.

Certain people just don't like being told what to do, and they refuse to do the right thing on their own.


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Re: Masks [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26870445 - 08/08/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

*Reich thing


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870451 - 08/08/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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deadwk said:
Masks in an of itself wont crush the curve, but it is one item in a larger toolkit for combating virus spread. Unfortunately stuff like this has turned into a political issue, not a healthcare issue which is what is really causing the issue and making it such a hot topic IMO.



I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.


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Re: Masks [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26870452 - 08/08/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
The jury isn't still out on how effective they are. They're very effective at reducing the rate a virus spreads.

Certain people just don't like being told what to do, and they refuse to do the right thing on their own.



They definitely do something, It isn't clear exactly how effective they are and as a result different countries have different practices and different policies and that has not had a clear direct relationship with the results in different countries. that was my point. not that masks aren't effective at all.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870476 - 08/08/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

STFU and wear a mask.


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Re: Masks [Re: Patlal]
    #26870485 - 08/08/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Patlal said:
STFU and wear a mask.



LOL I acctually knew you were going to say that just before I checked this thread.

I wear a mask and have been wearing one voluntarily for much longer than the majority of the country, Pat. I encouraged people to wear masks in my post, Pat. Did you even read my post, Pat?

Geez, both extremes of this disagreement are annoying.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870486 - 08/08/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wear my mask like it aint no thang. It feels natural now. Like puttin go a seat belt. :shrug:


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Re: Masks [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26870490 - 08/08/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I wear my mask like it aint no thang. It feels natural now. Like puttin go a seat belt. :shrug:



same. I drove home with one still on today and didnt notice until my neighbor said "nice mask"


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870491 - 08/08/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

ha, nice!

I sometimes wear them when driving after going into Quikie-Mart.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870496 - 08/08/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 3
    #26870507 - 08/08/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sick and tired of hearing about this mask controversy, so now you will hear me fan the flames of this argument.

While clearly different, this kind of reminds me of condoms. Some people don't "believe" in them, and feel they are invincible to disease. That's why SO many people have diseases, and associated cancers. I guess, it's your right and freedom to not wear a condom, and I respect that. The difference here is that whether I believe in condoms or not is relevant. Your spraying your aerosol semen everywhere without my consent. And that, good sir, is RAPE!!!:mikemyers:


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870508 - 08/08/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Peaceful protesters are exempt from wearing masks according to the POTUS...


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870509 - 08/08/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.



Depending on the prevalence of T cell immunity, herd immunity may be closer than we think.

Sweden is experiencing almost no covid deaths right now and they never locked down and the same drop off is happening in many different places with vastly different approaches to covid.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870515 - 08/08/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was listening to something earlier that mentioned the virus having several mutations; some of which are rather benign. It's an interesting show to say the least.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870543 - 08/08/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
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deadwk said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.



Depending on the prevalence of T cell immunity, herd immunity may be closer than we think.

Sweden is experiencing almost no covid deaths right now and they never locked down and the same drop off is happening in many different places with vastly different approaches to covid.




It would be interesting to look as to how Sweden handled things without having a lockdown; Without doing much research about what they did,  I think its safe that  combination of masks, social distancing, and hand washing had a huge effect.

Interestingly enough it seems like places where masks have become a political issue and not a health issue (America) are exploding in cases.


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Re: Masks [Re: Hartford]
    #26870566 - 08/08/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Hartford said:
Peaceful protesters are exempt from wearing masks according to the POTUS...



since when was anyone required to wear a mask under federal law??


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Re: Masks [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26870568 - 08/08/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Hartford said:
Peaceful protesters are exempt from wearing masks according to the POTUS...



since when was anyone required to wear a mask under federal law??



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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk] * 1
    #26870593 - 08/08/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Definitely a split issue:
party 1: People unable to accept mortality. High levels of death anxiety. Expects everyone to come to the same conclusions and value the same things as they do.
party 2: People who believe that anything inconvenient to them is tyranny at its most extreme and must be stopped with wining and buying guns. Also very angry, but more pissed off because they are mentally unfulfilled and absorbed in themselves.

I don't really argue with either of these groups but I do wish they could relax and look beyond contemporary events and heated conflicts that amount to nothing but the perpetuation of an ill society


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Re: Masks [Re: Ancient Mariner]
    #26870610 - 08/08/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Definitely a split issue:
party 1: People unable to accept mortality. High levels of death anxiety. Expects everyone to come to the same conclusions and value the same things as they do.
party 2: People who believe that anything inconvenient to them is tyranny at its most extreme and must be stopped with wining and buying guns. Also very angry, but more pissed off because they are mentally unfulfilled and absorbed in themselves.

I don't really argue with either of these groups but I do wish they could relax and look beyond contemporary events and heated conflicts that amount to nothing but the perpetuation of an ill society





Yea I dont think you honestly can successfully win an argument like that which is unfortunate. Thankfully in Canada it hasn't been super politicized. In some places, and with small groups of people it has been, but not to the levels that I've seen it become in America.


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870657 - 08/08/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea I dont think you honestly can successfully win an argument like that which is unfortunate.




A lot of the stuff I discovered does not seem to click with others. It shows me how much a person's experiences shape their beliefs.


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Re: Masks [Re: Ancient Mariner]
    #26870669 - 08/08/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yep it's dumb. I really think being distant and limiting time around others is miles more effective than wearing a mask. After all limiting how much breath you share with others has to limit better than trying to filter that breath (with a mask that doesn't filter small particles) for extended periods of time.


If you ask me... Masks or no masks is not the reason the infection rate skyrocketed in the US...


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Re: Masks [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26870687 - 08/08/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its because America. Seriously tho..


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Re: Masks [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26870689 - 08/08/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah the people arguing against masks are strengthing the pandemic. More suffering then need be. If 95% of p3ople wore masks starting now it'd save 70 thousand people.


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870701 - 08/08/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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deadwk said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
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deadwk said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.



Depending on the prevalence of T cell immunity, herd immunity may be closer than we think.

Sweden is experiencing almost no covid deaths right now and they never locked down and the same drop off is happening in many different places with vastly different approaches to covid.




It would be interesting to look as to how Sweden handled things without having a lockdown; Without doing much research about what they did,  I think its safe that  combination of masks, social distancing, and hand washing had a huge effect.

Interestingly enough it seems like places where masks have become a political issue and not a health issue (America) are exploding in cases.



but they did have a huge spike all at once. (Not big enough to overwhelm the healthcare system though but they didn't do a good job of protecting vulnurable people in the beggining) and lots of death compared to other Nordic countries and now deaths are close to zero. so it may be that not locking down, protecting the vulnerable and letting this work its way through the young healthy population is the smartest thing to do.

america is not really "exploding in cases". cases are declining in many areas and have long since declined in other areas.

plenty of different countries have different amounts of mask wearers and have had different results different results. Sweden is acctually not recomending face masks, let alone mandating them.

Sweden has one of the lowest percentages of people wearing masks at less than 10%. The US is at around 80%.

and as for the hand washing the CDC said surafces arent really a huge vector for this and its mostly from being in close contact with people in enclosed places.

So I really dont think thats why Sweden has so few deaths right now. I think they are simply on the other side of the curve, thats not to say Corona will go away in Sweden but they made it past the peak without overwhelming the healthcare system.


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870702 - 08/08/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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deadwk said:
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Ancient Mariner said:
Definitely a split issue:
party 1: People unable to accept mortality. High levels of death anxiety. Expects everyone to come to the same conclusions and value the same things as they do.
party 2: People who believe that anything inconvenient to them is tyranny at its most extreme and must be stopped with wining and buying guns. Also very angry, but more pissed off because they are mentally unfulfilled and absorbed in themselves.

I don't really argue with either of these groups but I do wish they could relax and look beyond contemporary events and heated conflicts that amount to nothing but the perpetuation of an ill society





Yea I dont think you honestly can successfully win an argument like that which is unfortunate. Thankfully in Canada it hasn't been super politicized. In some places, and with small groups of people it has been, but not to the levels that I've seen it become in America.



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deadwk said:
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deadwk said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.



Depending on the prevalence of T cell immunity, herd immunity may be closer than we think.

Sweden is experiencing almost no covid deaths right now and they never locked down and the same drop off is happening in many different places with vastly different approaches to covid.




It would be interesting to look as to how Sweden handled things without having a lockdown; Without doing much research about what they did,  I think its safe that  combination of masks, social distancing, and hand washing had a huge effect.

Interestingly enough it seems like places where masks have become a political issue and not a health issue (America) are exploding in cases.



https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/08/face-off-over-face-masks-europes-latest-north-south-split


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870773 - 08/08/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/08/face-off-over-face-masks-europes-latest-north-south-split





Good read, although this quote from the article highlights the most important thing IMO which is that you need a combination of everything to


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870784 - 08/08/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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deadwk said:
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https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/08/face-off-over-face-masks-europes-latest-north-south-split





Good read, although this quote from the article highlights the most important thing IMO which is that you need a combination of everything to



I honestly didn't read the article I was just using the graph to support my point about the reason for Sweden's current death rate of close to nothing being that they reached the other side of the curve. I dont think its because of masks when barely anyone wears them, handwashing when surfaces aren't a big vector for covid or social distancing when they didnt lock down.


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    #26871508 - 08/09/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I'd say it's not that masks are a political issue so much as Americans are stupid and always fixate on a magic pill to fix all their problems.


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    #26871566 - 08/09/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just put this here but Sweden ranks 6th in deaths per capita amongst all countries.  Not the place I would pick as my model of success.


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    #26871586 - 08/09/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol...

I forget what I was trying to say nvm.


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Re: Masks [Re: Ice9]
    #26871630 - 08/09/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Just put this here but Sweden ranks 6th in deaths per capita amongst all countries.  Not the place I would pick as my model of success.



thats currently. they had a big spike in the beggining. their deatgs are now at close to zero. we wont be able to compare the death rate to other countries until it works its way through those countries. its disingenuous to compare two different countries at two different stages. if they end up with a similar death rate to most of the world and did it without locking down id say they did a great job.

They havent been overwhelmed in Sweden So I dont see them doing any worse than most of the world when all is said and done. its not like there have been having a bunch of preventable death that would have been prevented had the healthcare system not been overwhelmed. because they havent been overwhelmed.


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    #26871668 - 08/09/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i always wear a mask



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    #26872089 - 08/09/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I'd say it's not that masks are a political issue so much as Americans are stupid and always fixate on a magic pill to fix all their problems.



the only reason they don't work a lot better is that people use shitty masks and use them incorrectly. they also dont wash their hands correctly.

if everyone wore an n95 and wore it the right way and washed their hands the right way, it would make an enormous difference.


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    #26872258 - 08/09/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

For sure. Do you know where I can find n95


I think it funny the mask I'm currently using is a mesh mask with clips for filters. People on the reviews were complaining about how uncomfortable they were and difficult to breathe out of. I've never worn a mask designed to keep out harmful aerosols that were comfortable or easy to breathe through.


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    #26872414 - 08/09/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.amazon.com/pcs-Face-Mask-Hypoallergenic-Comfortable/dp/B08B4B8JXT/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=n95+mask&qid=1597031228&sr=8-8

They're on Amazon. I don't know why the government can't mass produce N95's and send all citizens a few every week. Maybe they don't want to get past this, I don't know.


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    #26872418 - 08/09/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure if those are true "N95" masks but probably pretty close...


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    #26872448 - 08/09/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was looking on Amazon and all the KN95s I saw were not certified. Some were even tested and the quality varied wildly. Like within the same pack some were of KN95 quality and some were blocking out less than 10% of partials. That put me off pretty qucik.


What I'm doing instead is putting a pm2.5 filter in my little mesh mask. It doesn't cover my face perfectly because the filters weren't designed for that specific mask so... Would rather have a proper mask. Not just for the virus since I'm pretty decent at the whole distancing thing but also because I'm working with some stuff in the house I'm renovating you really don't want to breathe in.


Which is also how I know how effective it is. I know very well when I breathe that shit in.


Also why I know that the flimsy little face coverings alot of people are using do basically nothing as far as stopping you from breathing shit in. I maintain they're probably pretty decent at stopping you from spitting stuff out though. It limits your spray at least.


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    #26872469 - 08/09/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh and as for why we're not all getting N95 masks... I mean it would take a tremendous amount of resources to ramp up production overnight and no one wants to deal with that amount of bureaucracy so the best they're shooting for right now is just meeting the needs of medical staff and people in industries that require the respirator.


My state government bought up basically all the PPE from our coal mining and similar industries for medical professionals. So while it seems like we're finally meeting the medical needs there's alot of people in business that are probably still having trouble getting them.


Basically at this pace by the time we had enough N95s for all 300 million of us to use on a regular basis they would already be handing out vaccines.



We're not a country that has thousands of factories that can be quickly and easily converted into manufacturing certifiable respirators. It would take effort no one really sees as worth it.


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    #26872540 - 08/09/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It seems like they'd rather just throw our tax dollars at the problem and say they're "fixing it" instead of engineering solutions. They deposited $1200 checks into everyones account and want to give a percentage of the population $600 a week indefinitely. With that kind of money they could have built factories and produced high quality ppe for everyone. Or use those funds to help kids get back to school more safely. We're all walking around with tiny computers in our pockets but it's not possible for us to access N95 masks?  I'm just disappointed. Humanity has accomplished such extraordinary things. I don't believe it when someone says, "that's not possible."

A respirator with filter cartridges should be available and highly effective. Just cumbersome.


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    #26872666 - 08/10/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Let's not destroy the ecosystem over a cold how bout it


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    #26872767 - 08/10/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I hate it when people rip their mask off as the walk through the doorway out of the store, I wait till im at least a few meters away from anyone else before I take the mask off, these people are breathing on who ever is at the front of the line to get in


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    #26872791 - 08/10/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Is it possible to merge this and the main thread? Was going to cherry pick and move quotes over to post, but no time.


Just want to second both mentioned by morrowasted and gopher-


If you're not doing it the right way, it's pointless. Wait until you can manage to be 6 ft before taking off the sweaty hot mask. The whole point of the mask is to protect others, so stick to your values and position to wear a mask properly.

Since starting, I have seen many of my friends and fam wash their hands (sometimes needing reminding after coming from populated spot). The 20 seconds isn't an estimate, it's how long that is required to wash hands CORRECTLY.  Ever see surgery staff scrub up? Tops of your hands/knuckles/webbing between is just as important as palms, and if done properly, the whole washing experience will take at least 20 seconds.. don't forget to moisturize!

While I'm at it, if you read the sanitizer instructions- the way to purell includes vigorously rubbing your hands together until dry.


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    #26872806 - 08/10/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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They havent been overwhelmed in Sweden So I dont see them doing any worse than most of the world when all is said and done. its not like there have been having a bunch of preventable death that would have been prevented had the healthcare system not been overwhelmed. because they havent been overwhelmed.




One interesting thing about Sweden is that it has a relatively high proportion of people who live alone. By some accounts the highest of any country in the world.


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    #26872981 - 08/10/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I hate it when people rip their mask off as the walk through the doorway out of the store, I wait till im at least a few meters away from anyone else before I take the mask off, these people are breathing on who ever is at the front of the line to get in



Guilty. Fuck it, you can go to a pub, people are packed like sardines on beaches. I've been going to the shop for the past 5 months. Wear the mask inside like the law says, take it off out the shop like the law says.


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    #26873765 - 08/10/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

At this point, I've accepted the possibility that the virus is here to stay, and that it will probably spike up during the colder months every year (like the flu does). To that end, I'm looking forward to the point where hospitals are less overwhelmed so that we can focus on how to treat the symptoms of the virus once someone is infected. That would be nice.

All of that said, I wish we could reach that point without so many people dying along the way. I don't think it's controversial at all to say that we could have done more in the U.S. to reduce the number of deaths we've experienced thus far.


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    #26873941 - 08/10/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

They annoy the hell out of me but I do it anyway


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    #26873943 - 08/10/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I forget it every time and have to turn back to my car to get it, people always look at me funny when I’m cussing walking back to get it


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    #26874393 - 08/11/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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For sure. Do you know where I can find n95


I think it funny the mask I'm currently using is a mesh mask with clips for filters. People on the reviews were complaining about how uncomfortable they were and difficult to breathe out of. I've never worn a mask designed to keep out harmful aerosols that were comfortable or easy to breathe through.


they sell them at local medical supply stores. Real ones, not kn95s. Couldnt find em for a while but theyre in stock now

Anyway even a regular surgical mask will work decently as long as you use it right. Not perfect by any means but there is a lot of room for improvement...


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