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OfflineBANANA.MAN
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    #26870352 - 08/08/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sick of hearing about this mask controversy.

Its really not a big deal. they are mandatory here now. I started wearing them voluntarily before any private company or the municipality told me to. After a couple weeks I started forgetting they were on. Thats how non intrusive they are if you get over it.

I'm also sick of people talking down to others for not wearing a mask when they are outside, six feet apart from everyone else. I dont wear one at the beach or when I'm alone in my car. thats stupid. And I don't wear one when I'm alone with my young, fairly healthy friends either.

Its not that much to ask to ask people to try to suppress their breath around others.

Its not a libertarian principal to do whatever you want without considering the rights of others so thats not a good argument. However I do think private businesses should make their own rules not the government. that way people can choose to either go to businesses that mandate masks or not. although I do see grounds for government involvement.

Masks also aren't magic. They will prevent your breath from traveling as far as it otherwise would. But its not going to magically stop this from working its way through the population. the only way out is through. vulnerable people need to be protected and everyone else has to go back to work and live a normal life.

Plenty of places havent mandated mask because the jury is still out on exactly how effective they are. The united states acctually has more mask wearers than a lot of other western countries including here in Canada. before the mandate masks were quite rare. yet those countries that have a low percentage of mask wearers haven't done a whole lot different than the USA. some have a higher death rate, some have a lower death rate. It doesnt seem to be the end all be all solution.

out of an abundance of caution I wear a mask and dont see why so many other people wouldn't want to. But I dont brleive it or anything is going to "crush the curve" the lockdowns were started to flatten the curve and Florida, Texas, California, etc are now seeing a dropping case load with no overwhelming of the healthcare system. We need to return to normal.

tl;dr lots of people on both sides of this mask debate need to chill.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870369 - 08/08/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

*skip over  :snowman:


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Re: Masks [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26870400 - 08/08/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Listen, the ninja turtles aren’t all too excited about it either



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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870411 - 08/08/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Masks in an of itself wont crush the curve, but it is one item in a larger toolkit for combating virus spread. Unfortunately stuff like this has turned into a political issue, not a healthcare issue which is what is really causing the issue and making it such a hot topic IMO.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #26870418 - 08/08/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The jury isn't still out on how effective they are. They're very effective at reducing the rate a virus spreads.

Certain people just don't like being told what to do, and they refuse to do the right thing on their own.


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Re: Masks [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26870445 - 08/08/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

*Reich thing


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870451 - 08/08/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

deadwk said:
Masks in an of itself wont crush the curve, but it is one item in a larger toolkit for combating virus spread. Unfortunately stuff like this has turned into a political issue, not a healthcare issue which is what is really causing the issue and making it such a hot topic IMO.



I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.


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Re: Masks [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26870452 - 08/08/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
The jury isn't still out on how effective they are. They're very effective at reducing the rate a virus spreads.

Certain people just don't like being told what to do, and they refuse to do the right thing on their own.



They definitely do something, It isn't clear exactly how effective they are and as a result different countries have different practices and different policies and that has not had a clear direct relationship with the results in different countries. that was my point. not that masks aren't effective at all.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870476 - 08/08/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

STFU and wear a mask.


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Re: Masks [Re: Patlal]
    #26870485 - 08/08/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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STFU and wear a mask.



LOL I acctually knew you were going to say that just before I checked this thread.

I wear a mask and have been wearing one voluntarily for much longer than the majority of the country, Pat. I encouraged people to wear masks in my post, Pat. Did you even read my post, Pat?

Geez, both extremes of this disagreement are annoying.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870486 - 08/08/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wear my mask like it aint no thang. It feels natural now. Like puttin go a seat belt. :shrug:


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Re: Masks [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26870490 - 08/08/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I wear my mask like it aint no thang. It feels natural now. Like puttin go a seat belt. :shrug:



same. I drove home with one still on today and didnt notice until my neighbor said "nice mask"


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870491 - 08/08/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

ha, nice!

I sometimes wear them when driving after going into Quikie-Mart.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870496 - 08/08/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 3
    #26870507 - 08/08/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sick and tired of hearing about this mask controversy, so now you will hear me fan the flames of this argument.

While clearly different, this kind of reminds me of condoms. Some people don't "believe" in them, and feel they are invincible to disease. That's why SO many people have diseases, and associated cancers. I guess, it's your right and freedom to not wear a condom, and I respect that. The difference here is that whether I believe in condoms or not is relevant. Your spraying your aerosol semen everywhere without my consent. And that, good sir, is RAPE!!!:mikemyers:


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870508 - 08/08/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Peaceful protesters are exempt from wearing masks according to the POTUS...


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Re: Masks [Re: deadwk]
    #26870509 - 08/08/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.



Depending on the prevalence of T cell immunity, herd immunity may be closer than we think.

Sweden is experiencing almost no covid deaths right now and they never locked down and the same drop off is happening in many different places with vastly different approaches to covid.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26870515 - 08/08/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was listening to something earlier that mentioned the virus having several mutations; some of which are rather benign. It's an interesting show to say the least.


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Re: Masks [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26870543 - 08/08/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

deadwk said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
I'm all for masks but I don't think its possible to crush the curve at this point and thats never what any of the policy makers had in mind when introducing the lockdowns. they were meant to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

We should be living our lives as normal as possible as long as we arent overwhelming healthcare systems and keep the most vulnerable people safe.

Herd immunity might be closer than we think. With all the people who are already not really impacted by it without having ever been exposed we may only need less than half of the population to be exposed before case the rate of infections starts dropping. And I know that herd immunity may not eradicate this, but if that's the case then neither will a vaccine and people look at that as a viable solution.

The death rates and case rates are going down in a lot of places regardless of when they ended their lockdowns or even if they never locked down or never stopped locking down.

I'm not saying there is no place for caution, but we need to keep life as normal as possible.





Yea thats fair. My understanding about the herd immunity thing is that right now there's not enough antibodies in the population to achieve herd immunity, and its not clear how many more infections we need to get to that point.



Depending on the prevalence of T cell immunity, herd immunity may be closer than we think.

Sweden is experiencing almost no covid deaths right now and they never locked down and the same drop off is happening in many different places with vastly different approaches to covid.




It would be interesting to look as to how Sweden handled things without having a lockdown; Without doing much research about what they did,  I think its safe that  combination of masks, social distancing, and hand washing had a huge effect.

Interestingly enough it seems like places where masks have become a political issue and not a health issue (America) are exploding in cases.


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Re: Masks [Re: Hartford]
    #26870566 - 08/08/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Hartford said:
Peaceful protesters are exempt from wearing masks according to the POTUS...



since when was anyone required to wear a mask under federal law??


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