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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Vylie]
    #26869598 - 08/08/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #26869602 - 08/08/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure love is an emotion, 100%.




Love is a feeling among other things, but are all feelings emotions?


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Rahz]
    #26869642 - 08/08/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Vylie]
    #26869643 - 08/08/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Very interesting story!  What a life journey. 

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Vylie said:
One of the reasons this reality exists is that I’m hiding from myself here. I don’t do it (only) as a game. It’s safe here without the power of instant creation.




You too? :wink: 

Although we still have to be careful.  Thoughts are things as well...


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Forrester]
    #26869650 - 08/08/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Vylie]
    #26869672 - 08/08/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

extra dimensional realm of Fluidic Space where species 2373 resides, anyone?


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: laughingdog]
    #26869711 - 08/08/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
Re: the OP

What difference does it make whether things matter or not?
"Except yea become as children, yea shall not enter the gates of heaven"
And its not a philosophical issue for kids.

(...)

On a social level, although nothing may matter,
you will find very quickly,
that if you act as if nothing matters, and as a result act selfishly,
your 'karma' will ripen very quickly.
On the other hand one could just give everything one has away,
as nothing matters.
Then again there maybe something called:
"the middle way"



Right. There's two different "matterings" here, I think.

On the everyday level, in my human life - sure, I'll do whatever I think is right, I'll strive to do the right things, to care for myself and others. I'll try and be what I consider a good person, living a good life.

On the level of the perspective I'm describing, all of the above is infinitely insignificant. And I guess my whole point is that this realization, instead of making me anxious and depressed, actually brings me peace and even joy.


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Forrester]
    #26869720 - 08/08/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Rahz]
    #26869725 - 08/08/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Rahz said:
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I'm sure love is an emotion, 100%.




Love is a feeling among other things, but are all feelings emotions?



emotions are what happens when memories are evoked that had strong feelings of pain or pleasure associated with them.

in that way love can be an emotion.

sexual desire is a primary reflex, though it quickly associates with feelings and gets combined in memory. this can be very confusing for a person who has fondness and arousal with persons that are "off-limits".
- just nattering but I want to remain consistent about emotions being complex, not simple feelings but always feelings with associations, often causing gut responses including laughter, smiles, sobbing, and tears. The intensity of emotional memory effects can shift one's serotonin levels stimulating psychedelic resonance types of sensory enhancement/distortion and altered consciousness altogether. All of that together is emotion.


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #26869732 - 08/08/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vylie said:
Your explanation is one more reason to believe it’s a different experience.  So far, whatever read about "ego-death" seemed to be a passive action. With "dissolution", I think you found the perfect word for what I imagined to be "ego-death".

What I experience is almost the opposite. I don’t melt into the Universe. I’m the Universe. It feels awakening and reconnecting to myself. It’s active, joyful, and mindblowing.

I don’t become "all the trees and all the people". There are no trees. There are no people. There is only my imagination.



Sounds similar enough. Becoming "all the trees and all the people" happens to me at lighter doses. Maybe these are progressively deeper levels of the same thing. In the experience I'm describing, there was also nothing but... Existence? Everything? Being? "Universe" almost sounds too small to justify what it was, but at that point human language is insufficient anyway.

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It’s the opposite. You seem a positive and lovely person.

If I can vote, I vote for you stay alive.



Thank you. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, this reptile is doing fiiine.


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #26869773 - 08/08/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

a great year next year to you etc.

and hopefully a very good year at some time

a really happy year 2023

a pretty good year then


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #26869847 - 08/08/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Vylie]
    #26869855 - 08/08/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Vylie]
    #26870062 - 08/08/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure if I maybe hinted otherwise, but to be sure: I don't have a problem with all of this. The crux of my brain dump was to share this newly discovered perspective, not to indicate that I'm somehow struggling with it.

In fact, before this experience, I'd been a life-long agnostic materialist. Everything was mostly fine, but finding meaning and purpose was a challenge sometimes. As you can probably tell, I'm still a materialist, but now there's this much broader overarching perspective and I feel it's a huge improvement. I guess I could call myself a positive nihilist. :wink:

I appreciate your kind words. Thank you for caring.


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #26870126 - 08/08/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

two ideas emerge from your post realization personality matrix:

1. it's ok - nothing we can affect matters in the scheme of galactic events - and all that happens is explicable in natural scientific terms.

2. I still care about my life and want to do the right thing and do do that, but I can accept that outcomes desired may be replaced with natural realities that are different.

the linkage between them may have been some vision of chemistry or physics or psychology or all of the above, OR you grokked it like machine learning, and would not be able to describe what salient factors mean anything. And this is supported by the vastly meaningless statement that "nothing matters"

even that statement has a few strange cosmic intimations.

pretty weird - but I am glad you can be comfortable with it. We are limited in our ability to rationally explore or explain what can be seen in a flash.


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26870192 - 08/08/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
two ideas emerge from your post realization personality matrix:

1. it's ok - nothing we can affect matters in the scheme of galactic events - and all that happens is explicable in natural scientific terms.



That's right. Even if we were vastly more capable and could collide black holes for fun, it still wouldn't matter one bit. The reality in my realization was infinitely vast, it completely transcended space, time and dimensions. It's like any finite number vs infinity - no matter how many zeros you add, it's still as good as nothing. It's a terrible analogy too, but there you go. :/

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2. I still care about my life and want to do the right thing and do do that, but I can accept that outcomes desired may be replaced with natural realities that are different.



I am fully aware that my life is most likely pre-determined by physics, or - at the very least - any "agency" on my part is an illusion that stems from natural processes in my brain. That's also ok, because my life is a product of natural processes beyond my control.

I think I would actually blend 1. and 2. into one more general point: my life, or any life, is an obvious product of natural processes, devoid of any objective meaning or significance, and its existence or non-existence changes nothing. Any meaning or motivation is subjective and apparently necessary for human life to function, but there's nothing more to it.

Blending those two points together, I'd add another one: we, along with absolutely everything else, are all manifestations of the same thing, or we just are the same thing, which is anything and everything that is. We might be born and die, but, as with everything else, nothing is ever added or subtracted. Everything just is.

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the linkage between them may have been some vision of chemistry or physics or psychology or all of the above, OR you grokked it like machine learning, and would not be able to describe what salient factors mean anything. And this is supported by the vastly meaningless statement that "nothing matters"

even that statement has a few strange cosmic intimations.

pretty weird - but I am glad you can be comfortable with it. We are limited in our ability to rationally explore or explain what can be seen in a flash.



I think the whole exercise is pretty hopeless in a sense that I'm still using my brain to process all of this. This whole perspective is a product of my brain under the influence or certain chemicals, so to claim that suddenly I've hacked the matrix and opened a portal to a higher plane of consciousness would be ridiculous and I'm not buying any of it. Something very profound happened though, and I feel I'll probably spend a good chunk of my life trying to make sense of it.

Thank you!


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #26870289 - 08/08/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

when you say "there's nothing more to it" you share a voice with religious fanatics throughout history.

I think you need to go back to your vision again for a refresher.


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26871490 - 08/09/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure how to respond to this. Wouldn't religious fanaticism, or any fanaticism, imply not tolerating any other worldview? I have zero problems with people holding different beliefs.


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #26871585 - 08/09/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

but when you say "there's nothing more to it", you are dismissing all others' beliefs - pan-democratically


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Re: Literally nothing matters. This is fine. [Re: Vylie]
    #26871676 - 08/09/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vylie said:
Tell us your story. Why are you here? How did it happen? Who are you?




I dunno, I think I'm just another sent here to help with the shift.  Never been to this planet before.  I don't seem to be allowed to remember much more.  I just go where I'm asked and see what's what.  I think it's more about the right energy in the right place, not what's done. 

I kind of agree with the OP that nothing we do here with the physical stuff matters, it's all dust anyway, but I think there's more to it than that.  There is meaning and purpose.  What we think matters.


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