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Own your persona...get cash and prizes 1
#26868987 - 08/07/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Our persona is digitized and sold; permission made clear in the disclosure, everybody checks "yes". Should we have to give up our personal information for a 5% coupon code?
It seems corporations have more information about you, then you do.For sure, they are more precise. Can you remember every click, over the last year? They can. Can we access that information, the company they sold it to, and for how much money?
Is technology fundamental to exist and succeed in the US? If so, why are we coerced/ semi duped(yes, it is a box to check) in todays society? Currently, compensation for this data is the service itself. If one has become a commodity, shouldnt we have skin in the game? How can we get compensated, other than some app usage?
Shit like this:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-government-contractor-embedded-software-in-apps-to-track-phones-11596808801
WASHINGTON—A small U.S. company with ties to the U.S. defense and intelligence communities has embedded its software in numerous mobile apps, allowing it to track the movements of hundreds of millions of mobile phones world-wide, according to interviews and documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
Anomaly Six LLC a Virginia-based company founded by two U.S. military veterans with a background in intelligence, said in marketing material it is able to draw location data from more than 500 mobile applications, in part through its own software development kit, or SDK, that is embedded directly in some of the apps. An SDK allows the company to obtain the phone’s location if consumers have allowed the app containing the software to access the phone’s GPS coordinates.
App publishers often allow third-party companies, for a fee, to insert SDKs into their apps. The SDK maker then sells the consumer data harvested from the app, and the app publisher gets a chunk of revenue. But consumers have no way to know whether SDKs are embedded in apps; most privacy policies don’t disclose that information. Anomaly Six says it embeds its own SDK in some apps, and in other cases gets location data from other partners.
Anomaly Six is a federal contractor that provides global-location-data products to branches of the U.S. government and private-sector clients. The company told The Wall Street Journal it restricts the sale of U.S. mobile phone movement data only to nongovernmental, private-sector clients.
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Edited by SirTripAlot (08/07/20 07:40 PM)
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26869254 - 08/07/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the entire point of this comment right here.
There will soon be three internets. Chinese internet will be restricted. US internet will be restricted behind either (a) paying money for access or (b) giving personal information for access. EU internet will, assuming the GDPR survives and thrives, be generally what we think of internet nowadays.
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Kryptos]
#26869282 - 08/07/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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China= gets 1984 USA= gets Brave New World
Right now we pay for our connection to the internet and give up data....so nothing is going to change?
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26869294 - 08/07/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, your change is going to the IRS, which then sends that money to prop up the stock market, which is then used to make sure that the company that charges you money doesn't lose money, because if they lost money, CEOs would flip a goddamn shit.
Gotta keep those CEOs happy, or they'll crash the (stock market) economy.
EDIT: In terms of philosophy, we've been so worried about 1984 happening here that we've stumbled upon a Brave New World.
If I had to be completely honest, I would expect that China buys Africa, while the US wages war on the EU through the middle east (and south america, but who gives a shit about them, they're already in our backyard). So the triumvirate begins with a US-China alliance against Europe.
Ultimately, China wins the next century, by forcing the US and the EU to waste resources on each other.
Edited by Kryptos (08/07/20 11:22 PM)
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Kryptos]
#26869439 - 08/08/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know about us going to war with EU, but I can definitely see China buying the Third World. They can easily afford the bargain prices, and they already own a chunk of the U.S.
-------------------- "The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body" John Lennon I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either. The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Kryptos]
#26869630 - 08/08/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Right now our identity is sold through a digital contract; that data is then sold. Is there a way to have ownership or an interest in that? There is no other option?
The link I posted is about embedded apps that do not disclose the nature of how your personal information (not disclosed in that pussy little contract one clicks on)is used or disseminated.
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26870134 - 08/08/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: I don't know about us going to war with EU, but I can definitely see China buying the Third World. They can easily afford the bargain prices, and they already own a chunk of the U.S.
Once China buys the third world, we won't be able to bomb the third world. That leaves us with two options: Bomb ourselves, which we are doing, and once that runs out, bomb Europe.
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SirTripAlot said: Right now our identity is sold through a digital contract; that data is then sold. Is there a way to have ownership or an interest in that? There is no other option?
The link I posted is about embedded apps that do not disclose the nature of how your personal information (not disclosed in that pussy little contract one clicks on)is used or disseminated.
As far as I can tell, that is perfectly legal in the US. We don't have a GDPR. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy online, and your data belongs to anyone smart enough to harvest it.
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Kryptos]
#26870177 - 08/08/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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1. Check box agreeing to terms 2. Third party app embedded 3. Terms of third party app not disclosed. Seems pretty shifty legally. It seems the terms are specifically crafted to leave the consumer in the dark. Even if one gives up personal data the trail should not remain cold.....when data is breached or lost, there are no repercussions. How can one prove damages if it was never disclosed where ones data went and for how much? Again, specifically designed that way. Unless peoples personal information becomes sometype of right or we as humans have ownership of our own data, we will continue on this path.
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26870265 - 08/08/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a very hard time believing that the right to data privacy will ever be legally enshrined in the US. There's just too much money in selling people's data and developing algorithms that use that data to decide their lives.
Hell, we have local monopolies and cartels for almost every service in the US, and about an hour ago Pres. Tweety just made a massive cut to social security and medicare, and announced that in his next term, he's looking at getting rid of both.
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Kryptos]
#26870535 - 08/08/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Finally found some numbers:
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26870546 - 08/08/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Link as per above/below:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.webfx.com/blog/internet/what-are-data-brokers-and-what-is-your-data-worth-infographic/amp/
Looks like compensation has been done before
"On the other hand, if you’re fine with it and just want to get in on the profits – there are ways to do that, too. Datacoup paid consumers $8/month for access to their social media accounts and credit card transaction data in a trial, and although that program is no longer running, there’s a chance that other companies will follow their lead in the future."
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Kryptos]
#26874521 - 08/11/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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Brian Jones said: I don't know about us going to war with EU, but I can definitely see China buying the Third World. They can easily afford the bargain prices, and they already own a chunk of the U.S.
Once China buys the third world, we won't be able to bomb the third world. That leaves us with two options: Bomb ourselves, which we are doing, and once that runs out, bomb Europe.
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SirTripAlot said: Right now our identity is sold through a digital contract; that data is then sold. Is there a way to have ownership or an interest in that? There is no other option?
The link I posted is about embedded apps that do not disclose the nature of how your personal information (not disclosed in that pussy little contract one clicks on)is used or disseminated.
As far as I can tell, that is perfectly legal in the US. We don't have a GDPR. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy online, and your data belongs to anyone smart enough to harvest it.
We may be bombing ourselves (bombing BLM) before November 3. Trump made some comment (I don't remember it exactly) about BLM being Marxists and if he's wrong, he will lose the election. I think he knows he's going to lose the election, but he might decide to go out with a bang.
-------------------- "The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body" John Lennon I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either. The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Brian Jones]
#26874586 - 08/11/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said Can we access that information, the company they sold it to, and for how much money?
The California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018 grants California residents rights to request and delete personal data held by companies about the consumer.
https://www.oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa
Several other states are following with similar legislation.
Many companies have adopted the provisions of the law as policy across the country standing up websites where people can make their requests.
I have requested and recieved my data from Yahoo, google, fb and comcast. It was fairly sparse because I have watched my privacy settings like a hawk, but nonetheless very interesting.
Things like propensity scores are particularly creepy as are transcripts from speech enabled remotes and devices (mine are garbled because i tape over the mics).
Unfortunately there is a current customer/ business need loophole on deletion that allows the company to keep the data until you have no longer been a customer for a period of generally 3 years.
I highly suggest making these requests yourself and learning what data is being collected as a first step to becoming aware of how unprivate your private info is. If you are not a california resident you should still be able to click through the boiler plate saying it is for californians only and make your request
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Brian Jones]
#26877313 - 08/12/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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Brian Jones said: I don't know about us going to war with EU, but I can definitely see China buying the Third World. They can easily afford the bargain prices, and they already own a chunk of the U.S.
Once China buys the third world, we won't be able to bomb the third world. That leaves us with two options: Bomb ourselves, which we are doing, and once that runs out, bomb Europe.
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SirTripAlot said: Right now our identity is sold through a digital contract; that data is then sold. Is there a way to have ownership or an interest in that? There is no other option?
The link I posted is about embedded apps that do not disclose the nature of how your personal information (not disclosed in that pussy little contract one clicks on)is used or disseminated.
As far as I can tell, that is perfectly legal in the US. We don't have a GDPR. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy online, and your data belongs to anyone smart enough to harvest it.
We may be bombing ourselves (bombing BLM) before November 3. Trump made some comment (I don't remember it exactly) about BLM being Marxists and if he's wrong, he will lose the election. I think he knows he's going to lose the election, but he might decide to go out with a bang.
Exactly. And China is currently buying the third world.
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26877326 - 08/12/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said Can we access that information, the company they sold it to, and for how much money?
The California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018 grants California residents rights to request and delete personal data held by companies about the consumer.
https://www.oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa
Several other states are following with similar legislation.
Many companies have adopted the provisions of the law as policy across the country standing up websites where people can make their requests.
I have requested and recieved my data from Yahoo, google, fb and comcast. It was fairly sparse because I have watched my privacy settings like a hawk, but nonetheless very interesting.
Things like propensity scores are particularly creepy as are transcripts from speech enabled remotes and devices (mine are garbled because i tape over the mics).
Unfortunately there is a current customer/ business need loophole on deletion that allows the company to keep the data until you have no longer been a customer for a period of generally 3 years.
I highly suggest making these requests yourself and learning what data is being collected as a first step to becoming aware of how unprivate your private info is. If you are not a california resident you should still be able to click through the boiler plate saying it is for californians only and make your request
It's probably safe to assume that companies aren't deleting your data outside of Cali. They might let you request it, but there's no way they're deleting it. Even if they're deleting it, I doubt it's being shredded. Maybe it goes in the recycle bin, but I'm guessing they can recover it at a moment's notice.
Also, tape over the mic doesn't really do anything. Voice recognition technology is pretty advanced. Your best bet is learning a language with complicated grammar structures which is not commonly used in the western world. Like Russian. My phone explicitly doesn't recognize Russian. When I bought it, I actually ran a test by saying a bunch of products over and over again in Russian, because I thought it was just pretending to not understand it, but relevant advertising didn't appear like it does if you start saying products in English near your phone. Not the most controlled experiment, but it's preliminary data.
German didn't work, for example. But my phone also explicitly responds to commands in German.
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Re: Own your persona...get cash and prizes [Re: Kryptos]
#26877372 - 08/12/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Physical barriers are actually extremely effective, more so than trying to adopt another langauge. Tape works very well on most microphones embedded in tvs and remotes for ambient conversations. That is all i will say.
The delete is probably 50/50 for non residents but either way the business need is a giant loophole to keep former customer data incase they come back.
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