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OfflineSoupyGeorge
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Natural Genetics VS Lab Genetics
    #26868118 - 08/07/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm interested in the differences between the genetics of a wild specimen and a specimen from a controlled environment. The spores we order come from specimen grown in a controlled, fairly sterile, environment. Which would bring me to believe they lack certain strengths and tolerances as they've never had to battle contamination. While on the other hand a wild specimen would have genetically enhanced resistances to the contaminants around it and due to that a possible potency advantage. Also I am going to start trying my hand at outdoor grows and I would think the wild shrooms would react to the outside world better than their silver spoon counterparts. Has anyone gave this any thought or ran any trials between two grows?

We have an abundance of fields around that grow cubensis and liberty caps, I was considering picking some to clone. But if this has been tested and wild shrooms are no better than lab grown shrooms then that would be quite the waste of time as I already have prints from said lab shrooms.


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Re: Natural Genetics VS Lab Genetics [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26868138 - 08/07/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Breeding for contam resistance is moot. If your spawn is clean, there's nothing to resist. And if myc "overtakes" mold on a petri it's still a moldy petri. If your woodchip spawn is clean and fully colonized there's no reason it shouldn't be able to defend itself just fine.

I'd go with the "silver spoon" genetics. They've been "domesticated" by multiple generations of printing and perform better than their wild counterparts. A multispore can be thousands of individual strains competing for space and nutrition, and not all strains produce fruit. Generations of printing have eliminated a lot of those which is why MS yields are relatively predictable.
      But, please do take clones and prints of your wild guys too! We've hardly seen any wild genetics being grown here, and if you continue to take prints of desirable fruits you'll have a "stabilized" genetic line of your own after 7 generations.


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Re: Natural Genetics VS Lab Genetics [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26868154 - 08/07/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Where does Psilocybe cubensis and Psilocybe semilanceata grow in the same pasture, what state, country?


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Re: Natural Genetics VS Lab Genetics [Re: Snaggletoots]
    #26868187 - 08/07/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Southern state in United States. I'll go out this weekend and snap some pictures of my finds. I haven't put time or effort into learning to visually identify mushrooms. I say they are liberty caps based off of fellow mushroom hunters in my area as well as a google check for visual traits. I will document my finds from one field this weekend with pictures of the specimen as well as the spore prints. My fellow hunters and myself could be wrong about them being liberty caps, but I do not believe so.


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Re: Natural Genetics VS Lab Genetics [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26868201 - 08/07/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I would stick to shroomery and mushroomobserver for Id's. Here's a map of Psilocybe semilanceata observations https://mushroomobserver.org/observer/map_observations?q=1LmIZ I would love to see some finds though, cheers


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Re: Natural Genetics VS Lab Genetics [Re: Snaggletoots]
    #26871252 - 08/09/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I waste time all the time. It's fun. I love to capture wild critters and I like to release wild captive critters too. It can also lead to some really productive varieties.

Although most fungi are quick to adapt and within a few generations and may look to you to be completely different, they certainly don't lose anything or forget how to fight contam's or anything like that. They just take the form needed to deal with whatever environment they are in.


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