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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] 1
#26867871 - 08/07/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Woulda coulda shoulda. They bashed his windows in and popped his tire. Fuck that, dude. I'm out of there. You're welcome to gamble with your own life if you want to. Most of us don't want to take the chance.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26867872 - 08/07/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: My biggest gripe with you guys is you won't even admit ambiguity with what the protesters did but insist to defend them as if they did *nothing* wrong. This is demonstrably not true.
I pointed out the ambituity. What are you talking about?
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Vahn421 said: Maybe that dude was targeted unfairly. Maybe he wasn't. I don't know. I do know that his actions after he hit the bike were unreasonable and
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26867875 - 08/07/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Woulda coulda shoulda. They bashed his windows in and popped his tire. Fuck that, dude. I'm out of there. You're welcome to gamble with your own life if you want to. Most of us don't want to take the chance.
So, you'd risk the life of hundreds of innocents to protect yourself from a few thugs?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] 1
#26867877 - 08/07/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26867878 - 08/07/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fine, I'll give you credit for at least saying at least the first half of the incident was ambiguous, however the second part of the incident is as well, at the very least.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26867880 - 08/07/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: violent rioter attacking a vehicle in the road
As I look into this story, they were asked to leave multiple times and were blocking police officers from doing their job in the first place.
This is actually a fantastic comparison. If the rioters had come up to the truck and said, "Yo, you need to turn around and leave" and the dude was like "fuck no. I'm going right through." I'd feel a lot differently about what happened to the truck.
A little communication goes a long way and is in the fact the complete difference between your example and mine.
EDIT: We also don't have the full story with your clip. We don't have the beginning. Unlike the one I posted where we can see exactly where the escalation begins.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26867887 - 08/07/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Fine, I'll give you credit for at least saying at least the first half of the incident was ambiguous, however the second part of the incident is as well, at the very least.
What's ambiguous about the fact that he drove toward a crowd and through a chain link fence dragging a bike?
He didn't give a fuck if anyone was hurt or killed.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26867889 - 08/07/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: If the rioters had come up to the truck and said, "Yo, you need to turn around and leave" and the dude was like "fuck no. I'm going right through." I'd feel a lot differently about what happened to the truck.
Again...we don't know if that happened. We don't have video of before the truck approached. We know he went through a light, and the motorcycle was on him. There's a real possibility that signs were posted at that light or people talked to him. I just don't know one way or another.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] 2
#26867893 - 08/07/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well then allow me to re-post what he said after he drove a few blocks down the road and got out of the car.
"“I don’t wanna run nobody over, y’all started throwing s*** at my motherf***in’ truck. Y’all are stupid man, f***in’ dumb, idiot protesters. You think you’re doing good, but you’re doing bad. I love black people. The s*** you’re doing up there? It’s stupid. You started piling s*** on my motherf***in’ truck for no reason.”"
Source.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26867895 - 08/07/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah. That's what he said. Notice that he didn't say, "you didn't give me any warning before attacking." Notice how he didn't say, "I was afraid for my safety."
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26867898 - 08/07/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the rioter wanted the snack van to leave and in order to facilitate that he pulled out a dagger and punctured all 4 tires...because the van was blocking the rioters from their riot activities? hmmmmm...seems counterproductive
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26867904 - 08/07/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: So the rioter wanted the snack van to leave and in order to facilitate that he pulled out a dagger and punctured all 4 tires...because the van was blocking the rioters from their riot activities? hmmmmm...seems counterproductive
So there's this thing called a tow truck that is used when a vehicle is in the wrong place and can't/won't move.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26867908 - 08/07/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tow truck drivers aren't allowed to tow a vehicle with someone in it, dude.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] 1
#26867916 - 08/07/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So there's this other thing called arresting people.
I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know. The assumption that it was counter-productive to slash the tires is as assumptive as the idea that they towed the car and arrested them. 
They may have indeed been in the wrong slashing the tires. I won't know until I see what kind of engagements the van and the police had had prior.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26867923 - 08/07/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now you're getting it.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26867932 - 08/07/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: So there's this other thing called arresting people.
I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know. The assumption that it was counter-productive to slash the tires is as assumptive as the idea that they towed the car and arrested them. 
They may have indeed been in the wrong slashing the tires. I won't know until I see what kind of engagements the van and the police had had prior.
Wait. Are you saying that it is possible to detain someone and have their vehicle towed without causing several hundreds of dollars worth of property damage? When will these vicious rioters learn that damaging property is not the right way to vent their frustrations?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26867978 - 08/07/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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its the bankers they print he money control the media control the mass mind of the western empire every country - every major news same shit its obvious if u can print money then what do nations matter? they own every currency every media outlet any one is corruptable they have epsteins if money is not your game they'll get you with mossad
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26868098 - 08/07/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: violent rioter attacking a vehicle in the road
As I look into this story, they were asked to leave multiple times and were blocking police officers from doing their job in the first place.
This is actually a fantastic comparison. If the rioters had come up to the truck and said, "Yo, you need to turn around and leave" and the dude was like "fuck no. I'm going right through." I'd feel a lot differently about what happened to the truck.
A little communication goes a long way and is in the fact the complete difference between your example and mine.
EDIT: We also don't have the full story with your clip. We don't have the beginning. Unlike the one I posted where we can see exactly where the escalation begins.
Upon closer inspection, it looks like everything you say in this post is made up. It seems that the snack van was moving along with the marchers and the violent rioters actually impeded the van from leaving the area
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 2
#26868165 - 08/07/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: So there's this other thing called arresting people.
I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know. The assumption that it was counter-productive to slash the tires is as assumptive as the idea that they towed the car and arrested them. 
They may have indeed been in the wrong slashing the tires. I won't know until I see what kind of engagements the van and the police had had prior.
Wait. Are you saying that it is possible to detain someone and have their vehicle towed without causing several hundreds of dollars worth of property damage? When will these vicious rioters learn that damaging property is not the right way to vent their frustrations?
You're conflating innocent businesses who haven't broken the law and are just bystanders getting vandalized with people who ARE breaking the law and refusing to comply.
It's very intellectually dishonest, what you're doing.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26868170 - 08/07/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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Vahn421 said:
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ballsalsa said: violent rioter attacking a vehicle in the road
As I look into this story, they were asked to leave multiple times and were blocking police officers from doing their job in the first place.
This is actually a fantastic comparison. If the rioters had come up to the truck and said, "Yo, you need to turn around and leave" and the dude was like "fuck no. I'm going right through." I'd feel a lot differently about what happened to the truck.
A little communication goes a long way and is in the fact the complete difference between your example and mine.
EDIT: We also don't have the full story with your clip. We don't have the beginning. Unlike the one I posted where we can see exactly where the escalation begins.
Upon closer inspection, it looks like everything you say in this post is made up. It seems that the snack van was moving along with the marchers and the violent rioters actually impeded the van from leaving the area
I would condemn the actions of the police then if there is no further context to this story.
Two wrong don't make a right. If you're going to try to paint a picture out to prove a double standard, you're not going to find one, here.
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