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    #26867812 - 08/07/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Is everyone losing their fucking mind or something? I’m at the hospital with my girlfriend and let me tell ya, it blows. I mean these people are supposed to be medical professionals but they’re talking to me like a retard when I asked when they started not letting the visitor come back if they left and a max of 1 visitor per day. All I did was ask when they started it and the lady is like “Yeah this is serious, if you wanna know my opinion they shouldn’t let any visitors back there.” All the while talking to me like a child. I still don’t know anyone personally that’s had the shit much less almost died or anything from it. I have heard of people dying in the hospital but their family can’t be with them in their final moments and that’s the biggest crock of shit I’ve ever heard.
  Also, why the fuck are people acting like these masks are helping them at all? Even if they do block our nose and mouth we still have eyes... I saw a whole family walking down a trail the other day with masks on. There was no one even near them. It honestly scares the shit out of me to know these people are driving on the same road as me. I’ve taken this in stride the whole time and complied with all the rules and everything but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna just leave my girl alone then be talked to like a piece of shit on top of that.  It’s crazy how much people’s true colors are showing since this all began.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: SporeJunkie] * 2
    #26867838 - 08/07/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure about policies, but you are living in the age of disinformation. If the nurses of the world are saying, 'whoa", maybe we ought to listen?

Wearing a mask will not prevent juices going in your eye, but they will help reduce viral load, and reduce aerosols from sneezing, coughing, spiting.

In this age, everyone thinks they know everything, but rarely do they.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: AroundtheSon] * 1
    #26867840 - 08/07/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Also, there is an idea called "viral load". For instance, what is the end game when a person receives (only as an example) three virus "bugs" in their eye, versus the person who bathes in the COVID juices?

I guess this is redundant to my first post. :gethigh:

It's the same reason folks may choose to have three cigarettes per day versus three packs. Risk mitigation. Balance. Etc.

Cheers!


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: AroundtheSon] * 4
    #26867843 - 08/07/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My family has been in and out of the hospital all summer - one in a major city that got hit hard. No one, including myself, as a visitor has caught the virus.


Maybe because we sucked it up and listened to the medical experts who have the proper training and education to deal with infectious diseases :elmo:. At the moment everyone is out of the hospital and stable. No covid. Basic precautions.



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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #26867845 - 08/07/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not sure about policies, but you are living in the age of disinformation. If the nurses of the world are saying, 'whoa", maybe we ought to listen?

Wearing a mask will not prevent juices going in your eye, but they will help reduce viral load, and reduce aerosols from sneezing, coughing, spiting.

In this age, everyone thinks they know everything, but rarely do they.




I only listen to medical pros when they give me dilaudid.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26867850 - 08/07/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nature's my doctor day to day, but you best believe, when I start dying, I'm heading to the babylonian hospital.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: AroundtheSon] * 1
    #26867863 - 08/07/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I mean I do listen, hence why I’m wearing a mask. However, when I’m doing everything I’m told and I’m still talked to like a fucking idiot, that’s where I start to get aggravated. I also guess that I should clarify that this was the receptionist lady at the front desk not a nurse. And I’m sorry I’m all for listening to them but after a half year of this crap going on and literally not knowing anyone all that’s gotten it, kinda lessens the danger aspect to me by a fuck ton.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26867873 - 08/07/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well that’s awesome then man. Sounds like the same situation as us. Been to the emergency room
4 or 5 times over the last couple months and had no problems at all. Seems like you didn’t really do anything different though so I’m not sure the medical pros had anything to do with it or you just took basic precautions.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: SporeJunkie] * 1
    #26867930 - 08/07/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Is everyone losing their fucking mind or something? I’m at the hospital with my girlfriend and let me tell ya, it blows. I mean these people are supposed to be medical professionals but they’re talking to me like a retard when I asked when they started not letting the visitor come back if they left and a max of 1 visitor per day. All I did was ask when they started it and the lady is like “Yeah this is serious, if you wanna know my opinion they shouldn’t let any visitors back there.” All the while talking to me like a child. I still don’t know anyone personally that’s had the shit much less almost died or anything from it. I have heard of people dying in the hospital but their family can’t be with them in their final moments and that’s the biggest crock of shit I’ve ever heard.
  Also, why the fuck are people acting like these masks are helping them at all? Even if they do block our nose and mouth we still have eyes... I saw a whole family walking down a trail the other day with masks on. There was no one even near them. It honestly scares the shit out of me to know these people are driving on the same road as me. I’ve taken this in stride the whole time and complied with all the rules and everything but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna just leave my girl alone then be talked to like a piece of shit on top of that.  It’s crazy how much people’s true colors are showing since this all began.




Just shut up and wear a damn mask.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: SporeJunkie]
    #26867970 - 08/07/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I still haven’t gotten an answer that isn’t disingenuous or I am simply ignored when I ask; “Do you think the covid crisis would have been completely mitigated if the all people who ARENT wearing masks were wearing masks anytime they went to the store?”  I honestly don’t believe so.  They would have to sanitize  hands clothing etc every time they touch something.  The absolutely brainwashed people are astounding to me, there are two possible outcomes. 
1) Wait for herd immunity
2) find vaccine before herd immunity exists (ideal I suppose)

Basically covid isn’t going away, and masks are not going to solve the problem.  I really think the best thing to do is if YOU are at risk you should make arrangements to not have to be at risk to obtain food/care/essentials etc.  blaming people who don’t wear masks is really not going to help anything IMO.  Anybody who doesn’t use hand sanitizer after putting their mask on is contaminating everything they touch and don’t take home with them in the store.


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The order has to be secret and no one is sure.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26867976 - 08/07/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

To be fair alot of doctors and nurses are pretty fucking stupid and the media gave them some kind of war hero complex right now. Its funny because we all know how much they fuck up even on a good day.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26867984 - 08/07/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

nah, of course it's not going away. Even with a vaccine it's probably not going to go away. We're still going to need robust contact tracing and stuff like that after the vaccine hits because if I had to take a wild guess, it's gonna take us a little while to get to herd immunity. People aren't exactly chomping at the bit to line up for it, and I don't totally blame them for being apprehensive of something that got pushed out so fas(but I am getting it when it is available to me.)


Concerning mask use though, all the data is saying that masks cut transmission drastically(not completely, and yes you still have an idiot or two running around without a mask or using it improperly..world's better than no one using it at all), and it's the difference between NY state right now(and the rest of the northeast, tbf, but NY is the best example in this country of mask use and social distancing curbing the effects of the pandemic) and Florida and Texas. The problem is that everyone has to be wearing one for that to work. That said, experts are coming out saying that they will still cut the viral load - so it is still in your own best interest to wear a mask.



Yes it's of my opinion that wearing a mask helps control the pandemic significantly, and I think all you have to do is look at the current data of areas of high mask use and social distancing vs areas of low mask use.

Is it going to make it go away? Nah, even a country like New Zealand has 23 active cases after managing to eradicate it thanks to repatriated travelers. But there's a lot of ground between 'coronavirus going away' and 'coronavirus shutting down all ICU capacity, hospitals in general, and pretty much every industry'.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: Patlal]
    #26867990 - 08/07/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Don’t comment in one of my threads if you’re too lazy to even read the OP. And exactly, I totally agree with what both of you said. The masks aren’t going to stop this shit and doctors and nurses think they can treat us like shit because we “need” them right now. It’s funny that they always say they do this job because they want to help people. Haha ok, sure.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #26867994 - 08/07/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

When trusting medical advice from professionals, remember that medical professionals admitted to manipulating the information the public was given for their own purposes.

https://twitter.com/surgeon_general/status/1233725785283932160?lang=en

https://news.grabien.com/story-fauci-admits-feds-initially-misled-about-face-masks-wanted-m


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: SporeJunkie]
    #26868010 - 08/07/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Don’t comment in one of my threads if you’re too lazy to even read the OP. And exactly, I totally agree with what both of you said. The masks aren’t going to stop this shit and doctors and nurses think they can treat us like shit because we “need” them right now. It’s funny that they always say they do this job because they want to help people. Haha ok, sure.






why not just have your gf discharge herself then, since they're taking such poor care of her and don't know what they're talking about.



For real though one of my family members is a medically complex baby that could die from covid. He's been in and out of the ICU. I would gladly post all the videos of him giggling in the icu covered in tubes and catheters and ivs and wires and shit if this wasn't a shroom website and I didn't feel sketchy about it. He doesn't get to stay home. He doesn't have a choice. And there are a lot of kids and people like him who don't deserve or want to die because people can't put down their entitlement for a fucking second and cover their nose and mouth.

I know you are wearing it op - probably because you won't even get in the door to see your gf if you don't, thankfully - because there are other people there trying to survive, and the only way that happens is with clear cut protocol that EVERYONE follows. But seriously. It's not that big of a fucking deal to just wear a mask. The level of spoiled brats in this country has me astonished to be honest - can't believe this is the same country of people that stepped up to the plate and made a fuck ton of sacrifices during world war two. It only takes one infected person.



The mask protects you too, btw. Viral load.


https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent/

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/20/893227088/growing-body-of-evidence-suggests-masks-protect-those-wearing-them-too


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: SporeJunkie] * 5
    #26868011 - 08/07/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I’m still talked to like a fucking idiot




  • You don't think masks work
  • You don't understand why patients are being isolated from family members, unfortunately, even as they die.
  • Your basis for not understanding seems to be "well I don't know anyone that has died of COVID."


This is why you're spoken to like an idiot.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: badchad] * 1
    #26868036 - 08/07/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, obviously you all can’t read. I’m sorry you were brought into this world with a complete lack of reading comprehension or just sounding out words. It’s really not that hard. I’ll try one more time in case maybe your mommy is there to read it aloud to you:  I WAS TALKED TO LIKE AN IDIOT WHEN I ASKED THE LADY HOW LONG THEY HAD BEEN JUST ALLOWING ONE VISITOR. THAT’S IT. ALL I ASKED. SHE JUST WANTED TO BE A BITCH. NO I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEYRE BEING ISOLATED WHEN IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. MY BASIS IS THAT IM NOT A FUCKING RETARD. DID YOU GET ALL THAT?

Pirate blues - I’m sorry about your family member I really am. You did say he’s already had medical problems. Is he hooked up and all that from just the virus? I understand there are people dealing with and having a really hard time with this. I wear the mask so other people don’t have to worry. I couldn’t care less what happens to me.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26868044 - 08/07/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

@pb
You really think NY city is in the shape it’s in because it has a larger percentage of non mask wearers?  What about population density, homeless population, and overall ability to afford maintenance/sanitizing/PPE for the stores in that location?  For example the upper bucks county area in PA is one of the LEAST infected areas, and I wouldn’t say it’s because we have the best mask compliance....

Also, I do wear a mask 99 % of the time.  just to state this so people don’t misinterpret my post as coming from a place of “fuck masks, they don’t work.”


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The order has to be secret and no one is sure.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26868048 - 08/07/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No covid - just epilepsy that is currently unmanaged. Know what makes epilepsy worse? Viruses. Fevers. Luckily he hasn't had it to my knowledge, yet. So far the only one in my immediate family who's had a tested and confirmed case of it is my grandmother. She pulled out of it okay, thankfully - but she was in a nursing home and the death rate in her wing was exactly 1 in 2.


Thankyou. That's really all I want from people. Idc about political persuasions, I know that there is no easy answer to how to deal with this and we all have a lot of different opinions. All I want is people to just cover up their snotholes.


I hope your gf manages to gtfo as soon as she can, take care of yourself too - it's exhausting having loved ones in the hospital.
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@pb
You really think NY city is in the shape it’s in because it has a larger percentage of non mask wearers?  What about population density, homeless population, and overall ability to afford maintenance/sanitizing/PPE for the stores in that location?  For example the upper bucks county area in PA is one of the LEAST infected areas, and I wouldn’t say it’s because we have the best mask compliance....






I am very familiar with upper bucks and the mask compliance is on point compared to the rest of the state(which I spend more time in than upper bucks at the moment - but I spend a lot of time traveling up and down the state and I was just talking with someone about how pleasantly shocked I was to go to SEPA and see people take it that much more seriously) and the rest of the country. It's not perfect - but about 8/10 people comply on average(very rough estimate) and that aligns with the numbers that a lot of studies(which I will edit this post with a citation for in a moment) say is needed to be effective.



If anything the density and the reliance on public transportation stacked the odds against nyc. Probably the worst place in the country for a pandemic...short of rural american counties with no ICU beds.


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Re: This needs to stop. [Re: SporeJunkie]
    #26868049 - 08/07/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Front desk people are there because of their communication skills and sometimes they don't do it as you'd like, but there are protocols in that position/job especially at a hospital. It seems like you took offense to the way the information was passed to you by that person.:shrug:
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