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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26863937 - 08/05/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

As far as what side passes along more of what it depends on multiple attributes, combining ability, environmental influence,chromosomal abnormalities, probably a few more if we think about it. It does not matter the sex as much. You'll get 50% that are somewhere in between, then 25% heavy one way and 25%heavy the other. Juat watch for intersexing, Cheers


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Snaggletoots]
    #26864042 - 08/05/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Years ago I let a Baox (CBD hemp) male pollinate a sour dubble clone.  I got paranoid that year due to a chopper circling my property, so I ended up chopping down all but one of them.  It was a sour leaner, great smoke, early flowering.  I then crossed that with a (cindy 99 x apollo 13) male hoping for more early flowering seeds.  So far the only plant flowering this year is the sour dubble x baox, so I think I'll run a bunch of those next year.  Wishing I had kept the sour dubble cut.


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: yoosername]
    #26864437 - 08/05/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This gives me much hope then, and thanks for the replies guys :thumbup:

I'm glad I made this thread here, and I knew if anyone could help me out it would be you guys :cool:

You guys all rock :rockman:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26865273 - 08/05/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This is alot to respond to so in gonna put stuff in numbered brackets and respond to each bracket if that's alright

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Allium said:


1. [ No, let me explain, I meant, that my plants were probably pollinated by hemp last season because of how fast some of them started flowering this season.

For the past several years, all my plants would start to flower no sooner than August the first, but this season I had plants start flowering  back in mid July.

I was watching KET last night and there was a show on about hemp in my area. Well, there was a guy out in his field, and his plants had full blown huge buds on them,and they looked nearly ready. The date it showed was only August the 8th too, which leads me to believe, at least the early flowering plants that really look more hempish, most likely are half hemp. This is what I was trying to convey :cool: ]

1. - A plant cant be pollinated until flowers begin to form and once they are pollinated it doesnt really make the buds grow faster, an outdoor plant wont begin to flower until it gets 12 consecutive hours of darkness so that farmer was either force flowering early by covering them off from light OR the natural light cycle reached 12/12 in that area


2. [ I'm not  bragging, but I have grown cannabis for over 20 years, so I know quite a bit about the plant.]

2. That's good but we can all still learn new things and we all still need help from time to time, I've been growing for 7 years and grow professionally and study cannabis and other drugs as a hobby yet I still learn new things all the time:shrug: number of years has ALMOST no correlation to quality of weed grown or expertise level, I mean anybody can just stick some plants in the ground and water them and say they're growing...

3. [ Now on the thing about me not getting high anymore off my leaf and immature buds, contrary to what people will tell you, cannabis produces THC and both CBD all throughout the plants growth stages. It's even detectable in seedlings as well.

The older the plant, the more cannabinoids they produce. This is also strain dependent too. Some plants will have high THC all the way from maturity until the very end,and some wont get any good THC until well into flowering. ]

3. I wasnt debating when plants begin to form THC I was more saying they dont form reasonable amounts (for lack of a better term) until flowering if plants had high enough THC in the the early stages to be worth anything then alot of people would harvest way way early and just make oil or something with unflowered plants but that's just not the case because the vast amount of THC is concentrated in the flowers and builds up in concentration as the flowers mature

4. [ This all being said, I don't just go clip off fan leaves and smoke them. They only contain negligible amounts of cannabinoids. The leaves that you want are the very small tip leaves that would normally make your buds when flowering starts, they have more concentrated THC.

When you have no access to real bud, those small leaves will get you high. I know, because I have been doing it ever since I first discovered this back in 1999. i even had people argue with me that you can not get high off of leaf, when I know that that is totally not true. ]

4. My bad I should have phrased what I said differently, I more meant that it's really just not worth it to clip a whole bunch of tiny leaves, it would make more sense to grow more weed to last you through each harvest therefore you never even have to clip leaves to begin with since once you build up a tolerance you need alot of leaves to smoke, sorry didn't mean to come across like you were smoking fan/sugar leaves

5. [ Another misconception is that Males contain no cannabinoids, another false statement. And as a matter of fact, males contain more THC during vegetative growth than females do. I got high off of all my males that I culled as well up until this year too. ]

5. This one I have to completely disagree with, yes male plants do contain cannabinoids but its predominantly CBD, males max out around like 3% THC tops, I would like to see some support for your claim or some sort of analysis or document saying hemp contains significant amounts of THC, it doesnt.

5. If your getting high off males then they were most likely misidentified


Sure people that sit around smoking bong loads of high potency THC all day and never take breaks will most likely not get high off of leaf, but I can because again, I have no access to any real buds until my harvest is done. I'd put smoking leaf right up there with some decent brick weed.

Hope this clarifies everything for you mate, it's kind of hard to type out exactly what I mean sometimes, and information gets misconstrued.




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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26865423 - 08/05/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

1. I know plants need a 12/12 cycle to flower, and when did I ever say that plants can be pollinated without flowers forming? That farmer had a huge field consisting of several acres so there is no way he was covering all of those plants. Maybe they have auto-flowering hemp by now, ya think?

2. I actually wished that I wouldn't have stated that, and yes I know number of years has nothing to do with how well someone can grow cannabis. If I could grow legally, I could really show you what I can do, but I'm forced to have to grow out in the bush with all the critters,and bad weather, so I think that even so, I do a decent job :cool:

3. I will disagree with you on this, because I have gotten plenty high off of leaf up until this season. Some plants produce nice amounts of THC their whole life,and can be smoked for a really nice buzz right up until harvest time.

4. I constantly top my plants, to produce super bushy plants, well, I did up until this year, and instead of throwing those tips away, they can be smoked,and contain nice amounts of THC,and again this is strain dependent. If this is all you have access too, it doesn't take a lot of tops to get you stoned, but if I were to smoke some dank a few days in succession, the leaf would no longer do it's trick, or at least not as well.

5. I also know male cannabis, from female cannabis, from hermaphrodites, the over 20 years actually did me well on this one :wink: So, no I did not smoke a misidentified plant, they were the males that I culled. Also, when the heck did I ever say that hemp contained significant amounts of THC??? Hemp is both male, female,and hermaphrodite plants too, not just males, so I'm lost on that statement. Just because you probably have access to potent weed 24/7 and have not had to resort to smoking males, female leaf, etc, doesn't mean that it wont get other people high brother. Do the research and you'll see that Males contain significant amount of THC, and are good for smoking, extractions edibles, you name it. Males have always had a bad stigma attached to them because they don't make THC laden buds,and they ruin a sinsemilla crop.

I did a quick search to back up my claims, not that I really needed to, and I've found many instances that discuss this very subject. All I can tell you is that never knock something until you have tried it first hand,and never just assume :wink:

I hope that I'm not coming off as a dick, but I get frustrated with people when I know I'm right and that they are misinformed.

Check this!

" Male plants carry more cannabinoids than female plants. Excitingly, males manifest larger amounts of tetrahydrocannabinol in the petals than females throughout the vegetative stage of development, and it is merely females who produce a larger proportion of tetrahydrocannabinol throughout the adult phase"

I know this is 100 percent true, because I've smoked a lot of males,and made hash with them. I have no reason to lie, nor does the website where I obtained this information, also, and you'll like this :grin:

"Actually, the male plants are the victim of bad press. Males often equal or exceed females in cannabinoid content, especially in the high THC strains. In fact, usually the females are only more potent during the terminal stages of development when the males are dying and the females are in full flower or are setting seed If the males could be prevented from flowering by pruning, flower removal or chemicals, they might continue to develop potency on a par with females In the University of Mississippi experiments, the male and female Mexican plants had identical cannabinoid contents when first measured at 13 weeks, and were still about equal even at 17 weeks Note that many of the males die by 17 weeks and that the later measurements refer to the more slowly developing males. The table also shows that high CBD, low THC strains behave similarly to the high THC strains. The cannabinoid content of males and females in high THC strains tends to be about the same, with the males sometimes exceeding the females. But, in the intermediate and low THC strains, the males tend to have a noticeably lower content.  In a high THC strain from Afghanistan, the female has the expected small amount of CBD, but the male has a whopping 4.6%; whereas in another Afghani strain the males and females have about equal amounts of CBD, but the male has nearly five times as much THC. In one Turkish strain the males have about four times as much of both CBD and THC. There are strains from India, Peru, Thailand and Czechoslovakia in which the male is high in CBD and the female high in THC. One strain from Iran has both sexes low in THC but the male high in CBD, while one Manchurian and one Thai strain have both sexes high in THC, but only the female high in CBD. Finally, in one Russian strain the male is high in THC and the female high in CBD. Some of the seeds may have been hybrids, or mixtures of different batches of seeds. Nevertheless, these data alert us to the possibility that there arc strains with drastic differences between males and females"


I can keep going, but why would I I think that I've proven my point.

Also, don't take offense to anything that I've written, we are all here to learn, even if we disagree on a few things :cheers:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26865427 - 08/05/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

But really, this isn't about wether or not males will get you high, it's about if my plants are crossed with hemp or not :wink:  Boy how this ship got way off course :cheech:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26865650 - 08/05/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Usually people prepare for more traits from the female, but its not set in stone. Some plants have really dominant genes and characteristics, some desirable genes/traits are recessive too though, and take work to select and stabilize.

Allium, I instinctively didn't want to believe you about males. I thought about how juicing male plants does have some effect beyond just chlorophyll or whatever elements present, so it makes sense. I checked it out and saw people getting a little hash out of males too. Seems like it could be a lot of work and solvent if you aren't reclaiming... but you can do that. Cool.

I can also relate to feeling something off immature buds and leaves. I tried that when I was younger during dry season, when you are lucky to find mexi brickweed thats green and not more than half seeds. We were smoking a little bit of leaves and small flowers to get high...sometimes a little wet even. We felt something. It wasn't much...but something. Got us by some I suppose. Nothing like well grown finished and cured flowers, but...

I hope your flowers turn out nicely when they're done this year!


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
    #26865732 - 08/06/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

perhaps because u mostly keep females and only can see traits from female however genetic from both parents are equally distributed. some traits can be dominate some resessive so yes some males pass on certain traits or lack of traits. ie snow lotus adding vigor frost and tended to add less in terps allowing mom to shine through. This is not an easy thing to find. 

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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
    #26865893 - 08/06/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

hummingbird said:
Usually people prepare for more traits from the female, but its not set in stone. Some plants have really dominant genes and characteristics, some desirable genes/traits are recessive too though, and take work to select and stabilize.

Allium, I instinctively didn't want to believe you about males. I thought about how juicing male plants does have some effect beyond just chlorophyll or whatever elements present, so it makes sense. I checked it out and saw people getting a little hash out of males too. Seems like it could be a lot of work and solvent if you aren't reclaiming... but you can do that. Cool.

I can also relate to feeling something off immature buds and leaves. I tried that when I was younger during dry season, when you are lucky to find mexi brickweed thats green and not more than half seeds. We were smoking a little bit of leaves and small flowers to get high...sometimes a little wet even. We felt something. It wasn't much...but something. Got us by some I suppose. Nothing like well grown finished and cured flowers, but...

I hope your flowers turn out nicely when they're done this year!





I'm glad that someone else knows what I'm talking about, and all it would have taken was a little research to know that I'm not just talking crap :wink:

I have been getting high off male leaf buds, female leaf immature buds, etc, since the late 90's, and it works in a pinch when you have no access to real buds, that's all I was trying to convey, and now he point is proven :thumbup:

Thanks for the input hummingbird, and the kind words :grin: You are most helpful too the man :thumbup:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26867173 - 08/06/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's a good point I didn't consider auto flowering plants, but if they are auto flower then that would explain why they flowered early and not because they were pollinated

When it comes to hemp I think we are on two different pages, originally hemp was the male cannabis plants and the females were the plants we cultivated for smoking whereas now any plant under 3% thc content is considered hemp which is why they can sell CBD buds in all states since the THC is low enough

I brought up significant amounts of THC in hemp because YES they do contain cannabinoids they have to contain a significant amount to get us high, I mean anybody would have to smoke an ungodly amount of 0.05 percent thc weed but technically it would still contain THC and cannabinoids just not in significant enough amounts if that makes sense

Some of the other ones we should just agree to disagree on :shrug: or pm if you wanted or open a new thread, I didn't mean to take over your thread with arguing my apologies, but I am open to discussion for sure!

Back to the original topic -

Going with hemp being any plant with below 3% thc content then yes your plants could be crossed with a CBD high strain potentially BUT if you grow out enough seeds you could find a phenotype that produces higher THC still

My advice is still the same though of just flower them and wait and see, could be a varietied pheno


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD] * 1
    #26867248 - 08/06/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Actually 3% THC will get you high, it's .3 percent THC that they have to be under to be considered hemp :wink:

Also, hemp normally consists of male females and hermaphrodites, all grown together in the same field, that I do know 100% And it was the same back in the old days too. Unless the farmer uses all female clones like some do around here, nobody takes the time to cull out any certain gender of plant, it would be to costly and time consuming.

Hemp and Drug cannabis are not cousins, they are the same exact plant contrary to what hemp farmers or other people will tell you. They just lie and tell people this because they don't want their crop associated with the drug cannabis bad stigma :wink:

Both hemp, and drug cannabis are Cannabis sativa, one was just breed for high THC and the other for fiber textiles, etc with low THC, that is the only difference in the two, period. Sure they say oh hemp looks different because it grows tall with very little to no branching, but regular drug cannabis will do this too, if it's all crowded together like they way they grow hemp :wink: Plus hemp has been breed to grow tall and lanky too over the centuries. Also, you can use Dug Cannabis sativa for the same exact fiber, seed, fuel too, just like hemp but people fail to mention that as well.

It's just like how you have high Morphine poppies, poppies with low morphine,and poppies with very little morphine. They are all still Papaver somniferum, just with different alkaloid contents, and that's the only difference.

Also, here is a local hemp farmer from my area, the pic was on our local news website a couple years back. Also notice all that the plants are all females plants. Where did u get that hemp plants were only males?



Anyway, no need to start another thread, we can still discuss all this here :thumbup: I look forward in seeing what you have to say, and who cares if it goes of course, I'm liking all this :cool:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26867530 - 08/07/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My bad .3 percent* those dang decimals

See you contradict yourself by saying

Quote:

Allium said:

Also, hemp normally consists of male females and hermaphrodites, all grown together in the same field, that I do know 100% And it was the same back in the old days too. Unless the farmer uses all female clones like some do around here, nobody takes the time to cull out any certain gender of plant, it would be to costly and time consuming.






And then you say


Quote:

Allium said:

Both hemp, and drug cannabis are Cannabis sativa, one was just breed for high THC and the other for fiber textiles, etc with low THC, that is the only difference in the two, period.




Those 2 statements contradict each other because if they are 1 species like I agree that they are then one has to be male and one has to be female and both can go hermaphroditic

1 species cant have 2 females and 1 male that's not how biology works, on a science level each species has a male sex and a female sex

:shrug: you cant argue both sides

You say "nobody takes the time to cull out any certain gender of a plant, it would be to costly and time consuming"

Yet


And actually theres an old quote from George washington about separating male and female cannabis plants, people have been separating them for ages I mean you literally have to separate them if you dont want seeds in your weed :shrug:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD] * 1
    #26867550 - 08/07/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I honestly fail to see the contradiction, maybe I'm missing something. Cannabis is hemp. The term hemp is used more often if it's a fiber crop. Hemp farmers growing for fiber don't need to separate sexes, because it's only the outer stem fibers used. Hemp seed oil farmers don't separate obviously because they are going for seeds. Cannabis grown for CBD or CBG is called hemp because they don't want the connotation with "marijuana" like Allium said. Growers going for those want females because their flowers give better quality material to extract from. A lot of those growers also start from clone for consistency.

I know what you mean though too. I've also heard the George Washington quote about him being upset he was away in battle somewhere, and missed his beautiful flowering hemp plants...or something like that. There are a lot of names and uses for this plant.


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
    #26867680 - 08/07/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Man, actually now you're starting to frustrate me and I may just have to be done! Do you not see both male and female hemp in this field??? I don't know what you're talking about anymore.

I also take as you're the type of person that doesn't want to be wrong, and that you like to argue when you are.

Maybe you should just start your own thread and brush up on your cannabis botany,and leave my thread back to why I original posted it :thumbup:

I'm a nice guy, but I can only take so much :grin:

A also already know that washington separated the males from the females, and I have know this for a decade or so. He may have done this, but no all farmers practice this. I also don't know what this has to do with anything either.

I also just keep re-reading your statements and I am no way contradicting myself and nothing that you stated makes any sense at all:shrug: Does anybody else make any sense as to what he just wrote???

This really makes no sense right here "1 species cant have 2 females and 1 male that's not how biology works, on a science level each species has a male sex and a female sex" and I never said anything this, because it makes no darn sense. I know  a species has one male and one female, and I never said that it didn't.

Anyway Hemp is Cannabis sativa, and consists of males, females, and hermaphrodites, and drug Cannabis can be sativa,and consists of same male's females and hermaphrodites as well, so there is really nothing more to say on the subject.



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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
    #26867684 - 08/07/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

hummingbird said:
I honestly fail to see the contradiction, maybe I'm missing something. Cannabis is hemp. The term hemp is used more often if it's a fiber crop. Hemp farmers growing for fiber don't need to separate sexes, because it's only the outer stem fibers used. Hemp seed oil farmers don't separate obviously because they are going for seeds. Cannabis grown for CBD or CBG is called hemp because they don't want the connotation with "marijuana" like Allium said. Growers going for those want females because their flowers give better quality material to extract from. A lot of those growers also start from clone for consistency.

I know what you mean though too. I've also heard the George Washington quote about him being upset he was away in battle somewhere, and missed his beautiful flowering hemp plants...or something like that. There are a lot of names and uses for this plant.





Oh yeah, thanks for the input man, maybe we can teach this guy what he doesn't know :wink:


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26867699 - 08/07/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Plants can have more then one set, but it turns to groups. Then in nature it will turn back through diploidization. Thats more evolutionary though and back on chromosomal abnormalities. By that I mean in nature it happens through wind blown double fertilization. I know some breeders are starting to germinate single grains of pollen and through some work get haploids without chemical alteration, but this is all kind of advanced stuff. Not trying to hijack, just some parting thoughts, cheers


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
    #26867714 - 08/07/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Woooaaaahhh man calm down, that wasnt meant to be hostile or anything you literally said you dont mind talking about in this thread so that's why I continued, if you would rather not discuss it in this thread that's fine

Let me clarify what I meant, you said hemp and the drug cannabis are both cannabis sativa and this is a statement that I AGREE with!

I'm saying that in science when your plotting out family trees each species has 1 male and 1 female, cannabis sativa is the species hemp is the male the drug cannabis is the female, your saying that hemp is both male and female would thereby contradict it because that would mean the species has more than 1 type of male, if that makes sense worded that way?

In science the plant that sends pollen out to pollinate is the male while the plant that accepts the pollen and produces seeds is female, female cannabis plants cannot naturally send out pollen unless they hermaphrodite and male cannabis plants cannot except pollen so within that species you have 1 male and 1 female

Those pictures of "hemp" farms with buds growing is what I was referring to when I said any cannabis under .3% THC is considered hemp legally, those are just female cannabis plants genetically altered through selective breeding to produce extremely low amounts of THC and extremely high amounts of CBD thus legally making them "hemp"

If I'm upsetting you like just say so man I'm assuming this is just a friendly conversation :shrug: no hard feelings or anything meant by it

The Plant genus Cannabis contains 3 subspecies C. Sativa, C. Indica, and C. Ruderalis the males are hemp while the females are not


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26867905 - 08/07/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Other than males producing pollen and females producing flowers that catch the pollen, I'm disputing what you are saying about male and female plants. You're dispensing misinformation.


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26867927 - 08/07/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm saying that in science when your plotting out family trees each species has 1 male and 1 female, cannabis sativa is the species hemp is the male the drug cannabis is the female, your saying that hemp is both male and female would thereby contradict it because that would mean the species has more than 1 type of male, if that makes sense worded that way?





Your premise that "hemp is the male" is the problem here I think. "Hemp" is just a catch-all category for non-drug varieties. It doesn't refer to the plant sex.


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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26867935 - 08/07/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately, there's some silver lining, but it has to do with polar nuclei fusing with antipodal cells instead of being consumed. Not tri but poly formation.


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