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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Brian Jones]
#26867662 - 08/07/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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2. He keeps repeating the lie that the autopsy showed lethal amounts of fentanyl. The autopsy clearly states that drugs were not a cause of death. I pointed that out to him right after the story broke, and there is no new information that alters that conclusion. I don't know whether he thinks that if you tell a lie enough times it becomes believable, or he just gets his information from the worst sources.
It was potentially a fatal amount, particularly if the person had no tolerance built up. It's not what caused his death though. If someone is ODing on fentanyl and they're on the ground like that they're supposed to be turned on their side. Chauvin refuses to do so for some mysterious reason. After finding out he has no pulse he keeps him pinned down instead of doing CPR or letting someone else do CPR for some mysterious reason. Instead of putting him the ambulance immediately and bringing him to the hospital they delay the paramedics for some mysterious reason. Now we find out Chauvin's body camera apparently fell off for some mysterious reason.
Regardless of the extent the drugs contributed to his death it's pretty clear he wanted this man dead. Excited delirium is essentially police code for "We're going to kill this guy and blame the drugs." and that's exactly what they did.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Kizzle] 1
#26867739 - 08/07/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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egardless of the extent the drugs contributed to his death it's pretty clear he wanted this man dead.
No it isn't.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
#26867740 - 08/07/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The issue was the "lethal dose of fentanyl" bullshit that you can't stop spewing. To cover your ass, you've come up with this theory that he just ingested a bunch right before the police got there, but that's just an idea that's in your brain, and has nothing to do with the autopsy report.
I read the autopsy report. I'm not sure how you can make such a statement. We're looking for answers because there are no definitive ones yet.
Ironically, you're accusing me of assuming something when my only position is we should assume nothing. Whether or not he managed to survive such a high dose of fentanyl is not relevant to the fact he likely had a lethal amount in his system for an average body.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26867783 - 08/07/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Oh it isn't just me. As I said, over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree. Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video while enjoying your ban.
This website really is an echo-chamber.
I was going to give this thread a decent look, but then I got to this post.
“over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree.”
Then;
“Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video”
That’s impossible to take seriously. Especially in light of your echo chamber comment. You will turn on a dime to support whatever bullshit angle you are peddling in that moment.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: christopera]
#26867789 - 08/07/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not concrete evidence, it's the start of a breadcrumb trail.
I've got PLENTY of sources I draw from, but I don't expect anyone here to go chasing them all.
I don't have an agenda aside from the truth. I've basically been the only one sourcing my claims and the only one who has conceded when I've mis-spoke on an issue. Regarding the latter in particular, I haven't seen any of my opposition do this, even once, and yet I'm the one peddling bullshit that has an angle. Ok, sure.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26867799 - 08/07/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You believe that you are agenda free, yet you are unwilling to admit that estimating the percentage of bias in YouTube comments has no bearing on reality. This is confirmation bias, you are willing to find any evidence that supports your claim no matter how worthless and stupid that evidence is.
The sad part is that you aren’t even trolling. You actually believe this shit.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: christopera]
#26867805 - 08/07/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wasn't looking for evidence to support my ideals. I asked my self, "How are other people feeling about this?" And I perused over multiple different sources to look for what people were saying.
Check any social media site you want. Read the comments. Listen to the debates. How hard is it to believe a simple statement like , "This place has a bias." (Obviously.)
The only truth I care about is the actual truth. For some reason that simple statement is hard for a lot of you to grasp. Not my problem. Look within. 
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26867809 - 08/07/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are making shit up, over 90% of people reading about this shit agree.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: christopera]
#26867834 - 08/07/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tell me what I've made up, good sir. I'm dying to hear it.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 3
#26867982 - 08/07/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The issue was the "lethal dose of fentanyl" bullshit that you can't stop spewing. To cover your ass, you've come up with this theory that he just ingested a bunch right before the police got there, but that's just an idea that's in your brain, and has nothing to do with the autopsy report.
I read the autopsy report. I'm not sure how you can make such a statement. We're looking for answers because there are no definitive ones yet.
Ironically, you're accusing me of assuming something when my only position is we should assume nothing. Whether or not he managed to survive such a high dose of fentanyl is not relevant to the fact he likely had a lethal amount in his system for an average body.
We have no idea if he had a "high dose of fentanyl" in his system, correct? So why claim he had a "lethal amount in his system"? People that are about to OD on fentanyl are not even conscious, they don't drive to stores to buy items, they don't walk around, they don't even talk. So this lethal dose theory is pure nonsense, try again.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26868083 - 08/07/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The issue was the "lethal dose of fentanyl" bullshit that you can't stop spewing. To cover your ass, you've come up with this theory that he just ingested a bunch right before the police got there, but that's just an idea that's in your brain, and has nothing to do with the autopsy report.
I read the autopsy report. I'm not sure how you can make such a statement. We're looking for answers because there are no definitive ones yet.
Ironically, you're accusing me of assuming something when my only position is we should assume nothing
You’re assuming he had a lethal dose of fentanyl. People who take lethal doses of fentanyl are not walking around the city. They are comatose within seconds.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
#26868086 - 08/07/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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you ought to have PROOF of what the general consensus about this is.
You should take your own advice.
Going to YouTube and reading through comments is completely worthless and in no way forms a consensus. You should understand that, but you clearly don’t.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: qman] 2
#26868180 - 08/07/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The issue was the "lethal dose of fentanyl" bullshit that you can't stop spewing. To cover your ass, you've come up with this theory that he just ingested a bunch right before the police got there, but that's just an idea that's in your brain, and has nothing to do with the autopsy report.
I read the autopsy report. I'm not sure how you can make such a statement. We're looking for answers because there are no definitive ones yet.
Ironically, you're accusing me of assuming something when my only position is we should assume nothing. Whether or not he managed to survive such a high dose of fentanyl is not relevant to the fact he likely had a lethal amount in his system for an average body.
We have no idea if he had a "high dose of fentanyl" in his system, correct? So why claim he had a "lethal amount in his system"? People that are about to OD on fentanyl are not even conscious, they don't drive to stores to buy items, they don't walk around, they don't even talk. So this lethal dose theory is pure nonsense, try again.
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/07/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/
“Despite the ubiquitous presence of multiple drugs in these decedents, the effects of fentanyl were evidently so strong that there were no statistical differences in the fentanyl level (mean and standard deviation) with or without the presence of these co-intoxicants. The range of fentanyl levels (death dose) was wide, from 0.75 to 113 ng/mL, with an average of 9.96 ng/mL; nevertheless, the distributions of fentanyl levels were statistically the same, whether fentanyl was the only drug in the toxicology or one of several synergistic co-intoxicants. This suggests that fentanyl presence alone seems to be sufficient to cause death, which are findings similar to those found in Sorg et al., 2016.”
Let’s see if we can understand what we are being told. Fentanyl is itself so toxic that it is sufficient to kill without help from other dangerous drugs in the cocktail. People who died from fentanyl overdose had readings from 0.75 ng/mL to an astounding 113 ng/mL. The average death dose was 9.96 ng/mL.
According to George Floyd’s toxicology report, his blood contained 11.0 ng/mL Fentanyl, PLUS 5.6 ng/mL norfentanyl, 19 ng/mL of methamphetamine, and three other drugs."
6 drug cocktail. Honestly, I'm kind of impressed.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26868198 - 08/07/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Norfentanyl is a metabolite. He was probably an opiate addict and that amount of fentanyl was physiologically not significant.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: koods] 1
#26868247 - 08/07/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the fentanyl did kill him. Maybe he panic took it right before the cop arrived. Maybe he didn't. Maybe it was one of the other drugs that killed him. Maybe it would have been none of the drugs individually but the cocktail of drugs kill him. Maybe none of the drugs WOULD have killed him, but the panic and the knee on the neck worsened the flow of air/blood just enough to push him into death. Maybe the knee would have killed him anyway even if he had no drugs in his system. (I rationally doubt this last one, but I'm willing to entertain it still. I find any of the other possibilities to be equally likely. Maybe there's another possibility entirely we haven't considered, too.)
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
#26868260 - 08/07/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cops have a duty to give medical care to people in custody. He said he couldn't breathe. Even if their conduct had absolutely nothing to do with his death (which it clearly did), they still violated his civil rights by failing to provide medical care when he first said he couldn't breathe.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26868402 - 08/07/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I wasn't looking for evidence to support my ideals. I asked my self, "How are other people feeling about this?" And I perused over multiple different sources to look for what people were saying.
Check any social media site you want. Read the comments. Listen to the debates. How hard is it to believe a simple statement like , "This place has a bias." (Obviously.)
The only truth I care about is the actual truth. For some reason that simple statement is hard for a lot of you to grasp. Not my problem. Look within. 
That's exactly what you are doing, you're cherry picking the fent part when it doesn't matter in the slightest what he had in his system in this situation. God you're a terrible person, the consensus is that it's obvious this was murder one of the first cases with 0 ambiguity that has even police across the country saying what Chauvin did was obvious murder. Hell I know a racist that said it was obviously murder. You're trying to explain away a man with a gun kneeling on an unarmed detained man's throat for almost 9 full minutes. Try talking to people in real life about this instead of citing neo Nazi punks commenting on YouTube the shitpost of all shitposting. Notice no one, not even the racists here are agreeing with you take a fucking hint.
Also I don't know how stupid you are but when I look on Facebook different posts come up because I'm not friends with the same people as you. Obviously you're friend pool is the scum of the earth but my social media was flooded with nothing but this guy was murdered plain and simple. That's what I saw on MY social media.
Seriously you're the one that needs to look within, you're not spouting truth you're spouting hate, you're spouting justification for murder. I would never want anything in real life to do with you and God pity the woman or man that ends up with you.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26868441 - 08/07/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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it doesn't matter in the slightest what he had in his system in this situation.
For legal reasons it absolutely, 100% does matter.
Also, it seems no one can accept a nuanced opinion around here. If you're not 100% on George Floyd's side, you're evil. Am I getting this right? I have already stated I think the cop should be punished if he truly was responsible for Floyd's death. I'd rather be certain first.
And the most important point that everyone is ignoring that I underlined in my OP was that a RACE WAR started over this when it had NOTHING to do with race.
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26868451 - 08/07/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You really think we're in a race war right now?
Dude get off the internet for a while. Seriously. Go fish or something
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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: natedawgnow]
#26868470 - 08/07/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You really think we're in a race war right now?
Indisputably. Not that I want to be.
And it's going to get worse.
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