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Sin_atra
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Looking for advice
#26867602 - 08/07/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Greetings,
I am looking for advice for self medication and therapy with low dosing of psychedelic mushrooms.
I discovered mushrooms in college and felt an amazing sense of self release of anxiety I don't think I even knew I was holding.
I immediately came to this forum and learned how to cultivate. After a very successful first flush, I had an absolutely horrible trip. It was a solid 5 hours of living nightmare. I was really anxious to get into the trip however, and I not only made a tea for ingestion but I am sure I dosed way too much for an enjoyable trip. I eyeballed it my first time trying it as tea ( which was also my second time ever ).
That was 12 years ago and now that I am an adult I feel I may be able to use them to my advantage with low dosage "sessions" that maybe ride the wave but never develop into a full trip.
Is this possible? How much and what method of ingestion would be best for this? How often should I do this to maintain a healthy introspective advantage rather than develop a problem?
Mostly, I am looking for ways to "get out" of a bad trip or be able to navigate it from going bad if it starts to. I guess I am asking for any techniques that may be similar to those used to train oneself to lucid dream.
In college I remember we had a ledge around our dining room wall and we lined it with empty wine bottles ( bc we were classy opera college kids ) and the thing that popped me back into Base Reality as I like to think of it was a blue Relax riesling bottle. As soon as I saw it I snapped out of it. Should I try to find a couple of these or recreate a blue Relax sign and place it on my wall.. as if a safe spot to go back to?
Any advice is appreciated
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Snaggletoots
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Re: Looking for advice [Re: Sin_atra]
#26867642 - 08/07/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello there, micro dosing is less then what you would feel. You might feel the first just slightly but after that kinda boring by most people's standards. You can take less of an effective dose and have less intense times. Then different mushrooms cause different feelings also. Psilocybe allenii gives me feel good, technicolor, no anxiety. Psilocybe cyanescens can take all the anxiety away and gives a wonderful body high. Most Psilocybe cubensis and Panaeolous sp. Give me anxiety on the come up, but over the hump is rad! If you feel you'll benefit from eatung mushrooms, then try some again. If you don't want a bad time take less and learn to control you journey better. Work on mind exercises, clearing your mind, directing your thoughts, setting up a desirable atmosphere to enjoy them in. Back in the day people had stoner dots or centers to center themselves or to see if to messed up to perform tasks. Try multiple varieties til you find what works for you, and enjoy yourself, cheers
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Socrateshroom
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The different levels of the psychedelic experience (particularly mushrooms) as I see it:
Note: (The below dosages should be based on strength of the batch. The mentioned dose range has generally worked for me and I have generally had average strength cubes (non-PE varieties))
Micro-doses (generally 0.1-0.3g): Very low dose, also called a “sub-perceptual” dose. Generally, a micro dose is one that isn’t felt and definitely one that doesn’t have classic psychedelic effects (oevs, CEVs, strong body load, etc). This dose is great for medicating if one has issues such as anxiety, depression, neuroticism, etc. But it takes time and consistent dosing to start seeing changes in oneself. This dose could leave a lacking feeling for those who expect to feel things and for those who expect immediate change. As mentioned, it generally takes 1+ months of consistent dosing to see change starting AND, like with any dose, you need to put the work in.
Low-doses (generally 0.5-1g): This is a weird dose. You start feeling the effects but it’s more akin to being “high” than “tripping”. It feels like a cleaner weed high, but the come-up anxiety can feel unnaturally high because you never breakthrough into a real psychedelic experience. This dose can be incredibly therapeutic as it puts you in a space where your mind is open but you’re not being carried by the experience. Thus, you have a lot more room to direct your thoughts and feelings. This could also be a negative aspect since it doesn’t quiet your ego and so your ego might direct the experience to prevent you from facing the things you need to face within yourself.
Medium-dose (generally 1g-2.5g): This is where you start to get psychedelic. CEVs and/or OEVs can start here. Anxiety can really be squashed here, at least in the immediate moment, because you’ll generally have a noticeable come up and peak. You most likely won’t breakthrough to ego dissolution but this level really starts to shut off your default mode network (so your ego starts to be silenced here). The “high” is generally enjoyable, although this dose can be like the previous one, a.k.a anxiety producing, if you fail to reach a higher level of tripping. I’ve had a lot of experimentation at this dose and it was the most “immediately” enjoyable but it always left me longing for more as it was never enough to feel truly psychedelic.
Standard dose (2.5-3.5g): This is the standard psychedelic dose. OEVs, CEVs, heavy ego dissolution or straight up ego death (although you usually need a higher dose for a full “ego death”), heavy body load. This is a dose where things can get rocky BUT the experience generally guides you instead of the other way around so your ego is not as involved. This separation from the ego is incredibly therapeutic and can lead to a host of insights. Catharsis can be strong here and there is generally a strong afterglow the following day.
High Dose (3.5g-4.5g) and Heroic Dose (5g+): I have yet to experience beyond the 3.5g threshold so I won’t pretend to have insight into these levels. From various reports, these levels are where true ego death happens and experiences usually take place outside of your immediate reality (metaphorically speaking). That’s just my takeaway from what I’ve read so do your own homework if you’re interested about these levels (or better yet, experience them).
Disclaimer: My dose estimations are from my own experiences and those immediately around me. They are based on non-PE cubes of average strength. Your doses may vary based on your individual tolerance, sensitivity, set/setting, experience and so on. Some people will need a lot more to reach certain affects while others will need a lot less. At the end of the day, I highly recommend experimenting with all range of doses to see how you are affected and because the beauty of the mushroom is in experiencing everything it has to offer.
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Derekk969
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There is no need to add anything, i agree with everything Socrates said. I personally use blue honey for microdosing, making a green tea with a spoon or two (0,25-0,5 shroom) of honey.
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DJ Ed
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That is one of the best posts on Doseage I’ve ever read, Socrateshroom 
This would be really useful as a “sticky”.
I’ve only ever gone below 3.5g dry this year, after almost 35 years. One of them was rewarding in that I still “broke through”, yet there was low anxiety, I still had loads of energy, so basically danced the night away. All the other doses less than 3.5g have been horrible; as you describe, you’re still getting g that anxiety, but this struggles to go away as you don’t really get full on psychedelic effects.
If you can face the come up anxiety, higher doses are where it’s at; as soon as you get to that breakthrough moment, the feeling of relief can feel like a whole body dump of serotonin into your system, and then the trip becomes 100% psychedelia.
I was going to take 5.4g last night as the summerhouse, though not finished, is safe and dry. But for the first time since lockdown began, my 15 year old daughter decided she wanted some family bonding time last night! I’m going to try again next week 
Mush love DJ Ed
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Socrateshroom
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Re: Looking for advice [Re: DJ Ed]
#26872808 - 08/10/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks brother! Although it isn't nearly descriptive enough, but it's a good basic outline based on my experiences.
And I can't stop thinking about my last APE trip 
I've never been so excited and so eager to take more.
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