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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26867092 - 08/06/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And that was a pure riot. What we saw in that video wasn't.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26867114 - 08/06/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death.
What if I don't know about the protest and I accidentally drive into it?
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ballsalsa said: It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
Reginald Denny was a different set of circumstances. That beating happened early as the riot was forming. He had no way to know that was going to happen at that time and did not provoke his attackers.
Did you watch the same video as me?
At what time stamp do you feel the driver was threatening the protesters?
It seems pretty clear to me (maybe you've seen another angle?) that the driver was leaving in fear of his own safety.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26867168 - 08/06/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What if I don't know about the protest and I accidentally drive into it?
At that point, I'd stop by the eye doctor.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kryptos]
#26867178 - 08/06/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't say "what if I drive over the protesters".
We don't know what the situation with that driver was, and if you do, please share it.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26867200 - 08/06/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death.
What if I don't know about the protest and I accidentally drive into it?
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ballsalsa said: It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
Reginald Denny was a different set of circumstances. That beating happened early as the riot was forming. He had no way to know that was going to happen at that time and did not provoke his attackers.
Did you watch the same video as me?
At what time stamp do you feel the driver was threatening the protesters?
It seems pretty clear to me (maybe you've seen another angle?) that the driver was leaving in fear of his own safety. 
Wow, what a terribly executed roadblock. That's pretty expected from a bunch of disorganized kids. They should have set up much better and that guy didn't need to smash the windshield. The way that truck drove didn't look like self defense to me, though he may have been panicking. The correct move would've been to go reverse. He risked a manslaughter charge to get away, if it wasn't done intentionally as a statement.
Was blocking the road an effective tactic? Well, we're talking about it so I'd say at least partly yes. The execution was godawful though, people really need to do research before taking part in direct action.
Check out the LA riots video, it's a very different scenario.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26867215 - 08/06/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What if I don't know about the protest and I accidentally drive into it?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I didn't say "what if I drive into the protesters".

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: We don't know what the situation with that driver was, and if you do, please share it. 
Looks to me like a guy saw a group of protesters, and instead of, say, stopping, recognizing the obstacle, and finding an alternate route, or even hitting the horn, he decided to drive right up to them. Over a motorcycle. Considering that this guy was driving, and logically not an infant, he was likely very aware of the optics of the situation considering the very high profile vehicle ramming attacks on protesters in the last few years.
So, if I had to guess, he was doing the thing there you hold your hand directly in front of someone's face and yell "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!", except with potentially lethal consequences. And now he's probably pissed at the damage to his car. I'd even go so far as to consider that he does not think there were any actions he could have done differently. Including the part where he clearly rams into a motorcycle.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Rapjack]
#26867224 - 08/06/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rapjack said: The way that truck drove didn't look like self defense to me, though he may have been panicking. The correct move would've been to go reverse.
After a motorcycle drives right up alongside your vehicle and your windshield gets smashed in, I can understand being a bit nervous. Driving forward may be easier than reverse in a panic situation.
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Every situation is different.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kryptos]
#26867237 - 08/06/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What if I don't know about the protest and I accidentally drive into it?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I didn't say "what if I drive into the protesters".

I thought you might play dumb, so I corrected my post about 3 minutes before you finished your reply from "drive into the protesters" to "drive over the protesters".
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: We don't know what the situation with that driver was, and if you do, please share it. 
Looks to me like a guy saw a group of protesters, and instead of, say, stopping, recognizing the obstacle, and finding an alternate route, or even hitting the horn, he decided to drive right up to them. Over a motorcycle. Considering that this guy was driving, and logically not an infant, he was likely very aware of the optics of the situation considering the very high profile vehicle ramming attacks on protesters in the last few years.
I don't get how you know that conclusion over other possibilities, like the guy was going somewhere along his usual route, or the guy saw activity ahead and was curious what it was all about.
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Kryptos said: So, if I had to guess, he was doing the thing there you hold your hand directly in front of someone's face and yell "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!", except with potentially lethal consequences.
That's one of many other possibilities you haven't thought about. You might be right. But you might not be.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26867255 - 08/06/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: We don't know what the situation with that driver was, and if you do, please share it. 
Looks to me like a guy saw a group of protesters, and instead of, say, stopping, recognizing the obstacle, and finding an alternate route, or even hitting the horn, he decided to drive right up to them. Over a motorcycle. Considering that this guy was driving, and logically not an infant, he was likely very aware of the optics of the situation considering the very high profile vehicle ramming attacks on protesters in the last few years.
I don't get how you know that conclusion over other possibilities, like the guy was going somewhere along his usual route, or the guy saw activity ahead and was curious what it was all about.
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Kryptos said: So, if I had to guess, he was doing the thing there you hold your hand directly in front of someone's face and yell "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!", except with potentially lethal consequences.
That's one of many other possibilities you haven't thought about. You might be right. But you might not be.
"Hmm. The news talks about protests every night for the last few weeks, and there's a group of people standing in the street at night. Must be a block party! Let's check it out!"
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kryptos]
#26867302 - 08/06/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't expect any protests in my neighborhood, so I could easily make that mistake. 
I don't know, so I won't make believe.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26867383 - 08/06/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death.
What if I don't know about the protest and I accidentally drive into it?
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ballsalsa said: It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
Reginald Denny was a different set of circumstances. That beating happened early as the riot was forming. He had no way to know that was going to happen at that time and did not provoke his attackers.
Did you watch the same video as me?
At what time stamp do you feel the driver was threatening the protesters?
It seems pretty clear to me (maybe you've seen another angle?) that the driver was leaving in fear of his own safety. 
from 0:11 to 0:34 or so
My point is that the driver's motivation is largely irrelevant. The context of our times, given the recent shootings of protesters in at least seattle and austin, from vehicles, etc. give ample justification for a violent response from the protesters.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26867422 - 08/06/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I saw a motorcycle drive in front of the guys truck while they smashed his windshields. What did you see before that, since I think I missed it?
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26867443 - 08/06/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death. It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
This thinking is completely backwards. This kind of thinking is asserting someone is guilty until proven innocent. This kind of thinking is totalitarian. It's mob rule.
I will fight against this kind of thinking with my life on the line until I die.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26867453 - 08/06/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What if I don't know about the protest and I accidentally drive into it?
At that point, I'd stop by the eye doctor.
This is the weakest reply ever. You'd condemn an actual innocent man.
Even in my debates regarding Floyd, I haven't condemned him to death. My position is that the case is ambiguous.
You all are so intellectually dishonest. YOU CAN'T EVEN ADMIT AMBIGUITY WITH THIS TRUCK AND THE RIOTERS.
Do you guys actually believe, deep down, I'm the bad guy? Take a fucking look in the mirror.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26867472 - 08/06/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death. It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
This thinking is completely backwards. This kind of thinking is asserting someone is guilty until proven innocent. This kind of thinking is totalitarian. It's mob rule.
I will fight against this kind of thinking with my life on the line until I die.
Oh please, save the pearl clutching. You aren't fighting shit and you aren't putting your life on the line. Get over yourself. this is a discussion board not a battlefield.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26867477 - 08/06/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I saw a truck driving toward a group of protesters while a guy on a motorcycle eventually was forced to throw himself in front of the attacker in an attempt to protect the marchers. Then I saw a bunch of people actually put their lives on the line in an attempt to disable the vehicle of the attacker.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421] 4
#26867499 - 08/06/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death. It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
This thinking is completely backwards. This kind of thinking is asserting someone is guilty until proven innocent. This kind of thinking is totalitarian. It's mob rule.
I will fight against this kind of thinking with my life on the line until I die.
Dude youre a total troll.
For pages in multiple threads you've been arguing in favor of police arresting random people in black on suspicion, literally assuming they're guilty of a crime with no evidence to back it up, Asserting that George floyds death is no big deal because he was high and resisting, cheering secret police arresting people with no reading of rights, etc.
Now you're gonna come in here and claim to be against the guilty until proven innocent trope?
You've literally been arguing on the side of automatic assumption of guilt for days!
Holy fuck!
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26867558 - 08/07/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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Vahn421 said:
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death. It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
This thinking is completely backwards. This kind of thinking is asserting someone is guilty until proven innocent. This kind of thinking is totalitarian. It's mob rule.
I will fight against this kind of thinking with my life on the line until I die.
Oh please, save the pearl clutching. You aren't fighting shit and you aren't putting your life on the line. Get over yourself. this is a discussion board not a battlefield.
LOL. I love it when people talk on the internet about putting their life on the line. I keep trying to figure if the reason why you guys haven't pulled the plug on him yet is amusement value or sympathy for exceptional cases.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26867705 - 08/07/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I saw a truck driving toward a group of protesters while a guy on a motorcycle eventually was forced to throw himself in front of the attacker in an attempt to protect the marchers. Then I saw a bunch of people actually put their lives on the line in an attempt to disable the vehicle of the attacker.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Brian Jones] 2
#26867731 - 08/07/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said:
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ballsalsa said: Anyone who drives into a protest March at this time should expect to be attacked and beaten nearly to death. It's no different than running up to a big crowd and threatening them with any other weapon. A violent reaction is both expected and completely justified.
This thinking is completely backwards. This kind of thinking is asserting someone is guilty until proven innocent. This kind of thinking is totalitarian. It's mob rule.
I will fight against this kind of thinking with my life on the line until I die.
Oh please, save the pearl clutching. You aren't fighting shit and you aren't putting your life on the line. Get over yourself. this is a discussion board not a battlefield.
LOL. I love it when people talk on the internet about putting their life on the line. I keep trying to figure if the reason why you guys haven't pulled the plug on him yet is amusement value or sympathy for exceptional cases.
Because I'm not breaking the rules.
You seem to have a real problem accepting the fact that I'm not going anywhere. Get out of your denial.
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