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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Kryptos]
    #26865505 - 08/05/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Even killing people doesnt usually land a bullet in your dome or give cops the right to crush the life out of you.

Did the aurora movie theater shooter get killed by police upon arrival?
Did the parkland shooter get killed by police upon arrival?

In this country all criminals have a right to a trial. Like it or not.

If a clerk claimed my bill was illegal and demanded my purchase back but provided
no proof to the bills legitimacy and refused to give it back, I'd be pissed about it too.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26865506 - 08/05/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Regardless of George Floyd's conduct (on which I'm not informed), I think his death and the countless other deaths acted as catalists.

I don't live in the US, but also in my country a large number of people is racist, especially among older generations, and even politicians get away with being racist and make propaganda out of it.
But thinking that in the US a person can get killed at a police road block just for being black, and seeing how often it happens, feels even worse and almost surreal.

And I'm white, so I can't understand how it feels being black in the US or anywhere else, and IMO no one should judge people on how they react to injustice. What would you do if you risked your own life just for being yourself (not to mention verbal aggressions) and no one seemed to care?


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Kryptos]
    #26865511 - 08/05/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The bigger question is, are any of these crimes worthy execution without trial? For that matter, is there any situation, criminal or not, short of actively killing people, that is worthy of execution without trial?

I think not.




I agree. In fact, if the cop WAS responsible for killing the man, I'm all for punishing the cop.

Was this a racial issue?

No. A man in 2018 died from a cop kneeling on his neck, too. He was white. The footage shows nothing was racially motivated.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: InnerEternity]
    #26865512 - 08/05/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Marxcelium]
    #26865536 - 08/05/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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None of this justifies the cop kneeling on his neck


Fuck you and your disgusting attempt to justify police murder. <<< worth the ban




I don't know a ban but otherwise I totally agree. Cops are professionals and at no point should some murdering piece of shit cop be like "well we tried for 45 minutes and the guy resisted, I think its safe to kneel on his neck seeing his lifeless body go limp as he suffocates, its not murder as long as the full footage comes out people will see what an asshole he really was." :rolleyes: give me a fucking break attitudes like this get the police stations burned down when citizens cannot take this shit anymore. Murder from a fucking cop who is supposed to deal with this daily on a professional level is murder no matter how the guy was acting. Also I have seen cops throw "stiffened" resisting people in the car all the time no matter how they act. There were 4 cops one grabs each limb and they make him get in there.

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Oh it isn't just me. As I said, over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree. Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video while enjoying your ban.

This website really is an echo-chamber.




Well 90% of cops agree its alright to murder you does it make it ok? I sure wouldn't imagine that stupid argument flies anywhere

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No one involved was an angel, by a long shot. The issue that really nailed it as a murder to me was how him and Chauvin used to be co-workers at a club and were known to have not gotten along. I think they even got in a fight while working there but you'll need to check.

Just my $.02.





This was strange to me as well.  TBH the murder seemed personal if they truly knew each other. 

a personal vendetta turned into a massive race war in the media?  Is there even an investigation into their history together?

T'was murder either way.  Dude deserves prison or worse but I wish we knew more ( if there is more).




I hope the cop gets raped in his ass for the rest of his life as he knows it

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We don't know if it was murder. Floyd had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system and it was mixed with meth during the autopsy. He may have seen the cops, got scared and took it all to not get busted, which resulted in him O.D.-ing and dying.

A great comment from the Youtube video: "Nobody talks about how high he was and he was driving a damn vehicle... Could of potentially killed innocent people"




Maybe it wasn't murder right? Well they were trying to choke and kill the guy maybe he dies on his own so it doesn't really count

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Oh it isn't just me. As I said, over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree. Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video while enjoying your ban.

This website really is an echo-chamber.




Then go lick boot elsewhere.  How are you going to come onto a website primarily about taking and cultivating illegal drugs and think you'll be received as a hero for vomiting out pro-cop takes wherein you justify the murder of a man partly for being high?




I mean its totally cool for cops to act however they want right? :rolleyes: of course if you fuck with them they can blow you away or choke you out or whatever the fuck. De escalation is not a heavy part of police training and states don't spend huge money on de escalation training at all. If you fuck with them they can do anything. Anything. No questions asked. That is how the law works :lol:


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26865537 - 08/05/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
Even killing people doesnt usually land a bullet in your dome or give cops the right to crush the life out of you.

Did the aurora movie theater shooter get killed by police upon arrival?
Did the parkland shooter get killed by police upon arrival?

In this country all criminals have a right to a trial. Like it or not.

If a clerk claimed my bill was illegal and demanded my purchase back but provided
no proof to the bills legitimacy and refused to give it back, I'd be pissed about it too.




Yeah no shit. And those dudes had just shot up dozens of people


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26865568 - 08/05/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The problem with B.5 is that they didn't know who he was. In the video George identified himself when he was already in handcuffs sitting agianst the side of the building


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26865623 - 08/05/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
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The bigger question is, are any of these crimes worthy execution without trial? For that matter, is there any situation, criminal or not, short of actively killing people, that is worthy of execution without trial?

I think not.




I agree. In fact, if the cop WAS responsible for killing the man, I'm all for punishing the cop.

Was this a racial issue?

No. A man in 2018 died from a cop kneeling on his neck, too. He was white. The footage shows nothing was racially motivated.




Better question: does it matter?

The way I see it, it's not a particularly racial issue. Thing is, as a middle class single white guy with disposable income, I don't really have problems with the cops. I'm never worried. However, my heart rate spikes when I see a cop. Suddenly, I'm not "normal", I'm on my best behavior. Especially when I'm in a poorer neighborhood.

A while back, in college, I worked as a part of the lifeline program. I basically gave poor people free phones. This meant that I, a white guy, spent 90% of my time in the kind of neighborhoods you'd see in the TV show Gangland. Matter of fact, one of the episodes of that show was my primary turf. I remember one time the corner store I set up at got robbed. I didn't call the cops, I didn't even realize what happened until the cops rolled up and approached me shouting "are you okay?", when I was standing in front of a hood convenience store.

I've also been in a copshop basement being questioned about drugs, back when I was an entrepreneur in college.

Thing is, if a guy with a knife is stabbing people, cops are not required to protect me. They can fuck with me if they want, but they don't actually legally have to help if I'm being literally murdered in front of them.

That's not the worst thing that can happen. The people murdering me while the cops stand by could be other cops.

Why would I think highly of cops? I don't know the local cop. If something weird happens and I call the cops, they have an even chance of barreling down my street in armored vehicles or not showing up.

All of these things are worse for non-white people. But they're still pretty shitty for white people. That's why the protests sparked off. It's not only about race. Plenty of poor ass white guys living in trailers were annoyed at getting harassed by cops as well. That's why the Fox News spin cycle is going full blast. It's not a racial issue, but they need it to be. Otherwise, Al Qaeda (to use the Arabic translation for "the base") might turn against Trump.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Enlil]
    #26865743 - 08/06/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Enlil said:
I stand behind things I say, yes.

Here's a true blanket statement:

White people benefit from white privilege.

Here's another:

Black people are disadvantaged by white privilege.


Both of those are true.




Those aren't blanket statements. The first one is a tautology. The second one is simply a rather vague claim.

A blanket statement would be more like "All black people are disadvantaged by white people" or  "All white people are evil, racist, oppressors of black people".


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #26865808 - 08/06/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There’s only one murderer in those videos


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #26865810 - 08/06/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Peyote Road said:
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Enlil said:
I stand behind things I say, yes.

Here's a true blanket statement:

White people benefit from white privilege.

Here's another:

Black people are disadvantaged by white privilege.


Both of those are true.




Those aren't blanket statements. The first one is a tautology. The second one is simply a rather vague claim.

A blanket statement would be more like "All black people are disadvantaged by white people" or  "All white people are evil, racist, oppressors of black people".




All white people is a much more specific claim


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Enlil]
    #26865857 - 08/06/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

English isn't my native language.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26866136 - 08/06/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The way the OP has chosen to tell this story is a major deviation from reality.

1. Even after rioting and violence, most of the public continues to support the protest. They have been doing polling on this every week. Yet the OP wants us to believe the opposite.
Sometimes he blames the media for distortion and sometimes this forum. Nope, it's him.

2. He keeps repeating the lie that the autopsy showed lethal amounts of fentanyl. The autopsy clearly states that drugs were not a cause of death. I pointed that out to him right after the story broke, and there is no new information that alters that conclusion. I don't know whether he thinks that if you tell a lie enough times it becomes believable, or he just gets his information from the worst sources.

Floyd had drugs in his system. The autopsy also showed he had sickle cell anemia and was positive for covid-19. Those didn't kill him either.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Brian Jones] * 3
    #26866141 - 08/06/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Vahn is like cartman. Tell the lie enough times and it becomes reality. He's even managed
to convince himself that his own lie is fact, just like a true cartman.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26866262 - 08/06/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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1. Even after rioting and violence, most of the public continues to support the protest.




They do not.

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He keeps repeating the lie that the autopsy showed lethal amounts of fentanyl. The autopsy clearly states that drugs were not a cause of death.




The autopsy reported the cause of death was cardiac arrest, not asphyxiation. In fact, if I recall correctly, asphyxiation wasn't even mentioned as related to the cause at all.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26866354 - 08/06/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone dies of cardiac arrest. I’m sure there is also mechanism that brought about the cardiac arrest


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: koods]
    #26866407 - 08/06/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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Peyote Road said:
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Enlil said:
I stand behind things I say, yes.

Here's a true blanket statement:

White people benefit from white privilege.

Here's another:

Black people are disadvantaged by white privilege.


Both of those are true.




Those aren't blanket statements. The first one is a tautology. The second one is simply a rather vague claim.

A blanket statement would be more like "All black people are disadvantaged by white people" or  "All white people are evil, racist, oppressors of black people".




All white people is a much more specific claim




I know, I was giving an example of an extreme blanket statement to make a point.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #26866435 - 08/06/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So many points being made and statements being made to further enhance more points being made. Which is the best point though? Which statement is the most accurate?

As I have said though killing a man is wrong always unless in 100% absolutely necessary self defense.

A man in handcuffs is not someone you need to defend yourself against unless the handcuffs are broken and he is on top of you instead of you being on top of him. There was no reason for Derek Chauvin to choke George Floyd until he was no longer alive. No justice no peace


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 3
    #26866561 - 08/06/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh it isn't just me. As I said, over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree. Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video while enjoying your ban.

This website really is an echo-chamber.



We argue constantly on this website you know that, couldn't be farther from an echo chamber if 90% of people in your discussion are in agreement that this dude deserved to die that way you may be in an echo chamber of racists. Just because you're on some white supremists echo chamber section of comments where 90% of people agree with you, 100 % of the people including you are excusing the actions of a Murderer for either racial hatred or political agenda plain and simple. At first people against the protests said "who's saying this wasn't a racist murder?" These people are. Scum of the earth.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26867569 - 08/07/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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1. Even after rioting and violence, most of the public continues to support the protest.




They do not.

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He keeps repeating the lie that the autopsy showed lethal amounts of fentanyl. The autopsy clearly states that drugs were not a cause of death.




The autopsy reported the cause of death was cardiac arrest, not asphyxiation. In fact, if I recall correctly, asphyxiation wasn't even mentioned as related to the cause at all.




On the first point you are wrong but what's the point in arguing with someone who gets their messages from outer space.

On the second point the issue was not whether the autopsy said the cause of death was cardiac arrest or asphyxiation. The issue was the "lethal dose of fentanyl" bullshit that you can't stop spewing. To cover your ass, you've come up with this theory that he just ingested a bunch right before the police got there, but that's just an idea that's in your brain, and has nothing to do with the autopsy report.


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