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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 3
    #26868479 - 08/07/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Your race war exists in YouTube comments. Good luck out there buddy, hopefully nobody fucks your mom.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: christopera]
    #26868481 - 08/07/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well, if necrophilia is your thing.

Is it your thing, christopera? You want a go at her corpse?


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26868485 - 08/07/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ha wow ok dude you are obviously delusional.

In arguments 3 main contributions to an argument must be accounted for for the argument to be credible on its nose:

Ethos, pathos,and logos.

You dont seem capable of arguing to the ethos or logos of anybody but fal.
If you truly think we're in a current race war then I don't know what else to say to you.

You are in no way credible and may be slightly delusional or at the very least
living in a bubble /echo chamber of your own making, obviously assisted by consumption of narrative driven media.

All you have to do is go outside to knkw that isnt true. I went to the protests
in denver and multiple black people in the crowd next to me said they
were glad white people turned out because it isnt a black vs. white issue.

The media you choose to consume is trying to make it one but it isnt at its core and everyone who is ACTUALLY THERE knows this.

Sometimes, in argumentation, the credibility of the opponent must be evaluated
and your credibility is seriously diminished by your obviously outlandish beliefs.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26868497 - 08/07/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, if necrophilia is your thing.

Is it your thing, christopera? You want a go at her corpse?




I’d think if you knew anything about YouTube comments you’d at least understand a solid internet joke. It guess it makes sense though.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26868502 - 08/07/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Ha wow ok dude you are obviously delusional.

In arguments 3 main contributions to an argument must be accounted for for the argument to be credible on its nose:

Ethos, pathos,and logos.

You dont seem capable of arguing to the ethos or logos of anybody but fal.
If you truly think we're in a current race war then I don't know what else to say to you.

You are in no way credible and may be slightly delusional or at the very least
living in a bubble /echo chamber of your own making, obviously assisted by consumption of narrative driven media.

All you have to do is go outside to knkw that isnt true. I went to the protests
in denver and multiple black people in the crowd next to me said they
were glad white people turned out because it isnt a black vs. white issue.

The media you choose to consume is trying to make it one but it isnt at its core and everyone who is ACTUALLY THERE knows this.

Sometimes, in argumentation, the credibility of the opponent must be evaluated
and your credibility is seriously diminished by your obviously outlandish beliefs.




Damn dude, you used the word, "you" 7 times in that post. You also used, "your" 3 times.

I'm impressed. I think you just broke a record.

The logos here is lacking in general.

If I appeal to the logos of Fal, that's good because he's take either side and tries to follow the evidence like I do. I appreciate the compliment. (Though he isn't the only one here who seems to see things similar to me.)




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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: christopera]
    #26868507 - 08/07/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, if necrophilia is your thing.

Is it your thing, christopera? You want a go at her corpse?




I’d think if you knew anything about YouTube comments you’d at least understand a solid internet joke. It guess it makes sense though.




My mom's not dead, either. Cuz, jokes.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26868530 - 08/07/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dude not even fal sees a race war. If he does then he's clinical too.

Won't be surprised at all if fal comes in here to your defense though. Playing DA is his pass time.

Also, nice way to deflect instead of defend your outrageous views


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26868538 - 08/07/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The issue was the "lethal dose of fentanyl" bullshit that you can't stop spewing. To cover your ass, you've come up with this theory that he just ingested a bunch right before the police got there, but that's just an idea that's in your brain, and has nothing to do with the autopsy report.




I read the autopsy report. I'm not sure how you can make such a statement. We're looking for answers because there are no definitive ones yet.

Ironically, you're accusing me of assuming something when my only position is we should assume nothing




You’re assuming he had a lethal dose of fentanyl. People who take lethal doses of fentanyl are not walking around the city. They are comatose within seconds.




Yes

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Vahn421 said:
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The issue was the "lethal dose of fentanyl" bullshit that you can't stop spewing. To cover your ass, you've come up with this theory that he just ingested a bunch right before the police got there, but that's just an idea that's in your brain, and has nothing to do with the autopsy report.




I read the autopsy report. I'm not sure how you can make such a statement. We're looking for answers because there are no definitive ones yet.

Ironically, you're accusing me of assuming something when my only position is we should assume nothing. Whether or not he managed to survive such a high dose of fentanyl is not relevant to the fact he likely had a lethal amount in his system for an average body.




We have no idea if he had a "high dose of fentanyl" in his system, correct?  So why claim he had a "lethal amount in his system"?  People that are about to OD on fentanyl are not even conscious, they don't drive to stores to buy items, they don't walk around, they don't even talk. So this lethal dose theory is pure nonsense, try again.




https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/07/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/

“Despite the ubiquitous presence of multiple drugs in these decedents, the effects of fentanyl were evidently so strong that there were no statistical differences in the fentanyl level (mean and standard deviation) with or without the presence of these co-intoxicants. The range of fentanyl levels (death dose) was wide, from 0.75 to 113 ng/mL, with an average of 9.96 ng/mL; nevertheless, the distributions of fentanyl levels were statistically the same, whether fentanyl was the only drug in the toxicology or one of several synergistic co-intoxicants. This suggests that fentanyl presence alone seems to be sufficient to cause death, which are findings similar to those found in Sorg et al., 2016.”


Let’s see if we can understand what we are being told.  Fentanyl is itself so toxic that it is sufficient to kill without help from other dangerous drugs in the cocktail.  People who died from fentanyl overdose had readings from 0.75 ng/mL to an astounding 113 ng/mL.  The average death dose was 9.96 ng/mL.

According to George Floyd’s toxicology report, his blood contained 11.0 ng/mL Fentanyl, PLUS 5.6 ng/mL norfentanyl, 19 ng/mL of methamphetamine, and three other drugs."


6 drug cocktail. Honestly, I'm kind of impressed.




Well that is a good point

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Norfentanyl is a metabolite. He was probably an opiate addict and that amount of fentanyl was physiologically not significant.




Maybe

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Cops have a duty to give medical care to people in custody.  He said he couldn't breathe.  Even if their conduct had absolutely nothing to do with his death (which it clearly did), they still violated his civil rights by failing to provide medical care when he first said he couldn't breathe.




This is the main point all together. Regardless of anything else they did not perform their duty and wether the intent was to murder George Floyd or simply provoke him by holding him to the ground for minutes after he became lifeless they committed homicide by refusing to give him medical attention and possibly 2nd or 3rd degree murder by intending to hurt him beyond the point of him being able to help himself wether it was premeditated or not and the fact it was premeditated has not been entirely ruled out.

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You really think we're in a race war right now?




Indisputably. Not that I want to be.

And it's going to get worse.




I think you are right as a matter of coincidence. This has nothing to do with race. You pointed out facts and I like that you finally started trying to bring this discussion into the realm of a factual argument. But the only thing to me that is indisputable is that it is a race war argument you started. You have begun to take it away from that direction but fearfully I see you bringing it back in that direction.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: imachavel]
    #26868543 - 08/07/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nice post. Just gonna slip this in here. (Speaking of race wars, I hope people don't think by "war" I mean fists or violence. Wars are fought with ideas and technology in 2020. There are people trying to divide us and classify us by race again. The "wokes" are leading the charge.)



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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26868547 - 08/07/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude not even fal sees a race war. If he does then he's clinical too.

Won't be surprised at all if fal comes in here to your defense though. Playing DA is his pass time.

Also, nice way to deflect instead of defend your outrageous views



Vahn's posted plenty of videos showing the reasons why he believes there's a race war.  Should I repost some of them?

The response has generally been to criticize Vahn as a person, rather than criticize his arguments.  Very much like you've preempted your response to me with "If he (Falcon91Wolvnr03) does (see a race war) then he's clinical too".

You want to attack the person, Vahn (and I) would prefer you attack the argument.  :shrug:


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26868576 - 08/07/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What?

I did criticize his idea. It's outlandish on its face. Now, arguments are argued
by people, and the credibility of the debater is relevant. If you honestly think
we are engaged in a race war between citizens then you've also lost credibility.

Like I said, vahn is in a bubble of his own creation. He sees a race war because he
follows media that pushes that narrative. I interact with minorities daily and
not once has one expressed hatred or the idea of a war.

Go outside for fucks sake


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26868647 - 08/07/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Pfft.... your version of "war" is severely exaggerated. I could define the terms of what, "war" means to clarify my point, but I'm feeling way too lazy.

Instead, I'll just say I'm disappointed that you assume my idea of what "war" means is that I walk outside and get punched by black people. That's clearly not what I mean. Maybe next time you could ask what I mean and we could have a conversation about it before you assume.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26868726 - 08/07/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think we all know what the word war means.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26868727 - 08/07/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
Dude not even fal sees a race war. If he does then he's clinical too.

Won't be surprised at all if fal comes in here to your defense though. Playing DA is his pass time.

Also, nice way to deflect instead of defend your outrageous views



Vahn's posted plenty of videos showing the reasons why he believes there's a race war.  Should I repost some of them?

The response has generally been to criticize Vahn as a person, rather than criticize his arguments.  Very much like you've preempted your response to me with "If he (Falcon91Wolvnr03) does (see a race war) then he's clinical too".

You want to attack the person, Vahn (and I) would prefer you attack the argument.  :shrug:



Yes, please share the evidence Vahn has offered in support of the existence of a race war. I would love to attack the argument.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26868735 - 08/07/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Pfft.... your version of "war" is severely exaggerated. I could define the terms of what, "war" means to clarify my point, but I'm feeling way too lazy.

Instead, I'll just say I'm disappointed that you assume my idea of what "war" means is that I walk outside and get punched by black people. That's clearly not what I mean. Maybe next time you could ask what I mean and we could have a conversation about it before you assume.



What, so none of the rest of us deserve a clarification of your argument because one person said mean things? It probably would have taken less words to just provide your special definition of war but who am I to question this subforums masterdebater


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26868744 - 08/07/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So here we are again, where we're forced to ascertain the meaning of vahns words.

Dude war has a specific meaning. If you didnt mean war, then choose a different fucking word.

I guess your outrage is forcing you to hyperbolize


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26868767 - 08/07/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
Pfft.... your version of "war" is severely exaggerated. I could define the terms of what, "war" means to clarify my point, but I'm feeling way too lazy.

Instead, I'll just say I'm disappointed that you assume my idea of what "war" means is that I walk outside and get punched by black people. That's clearly not what I mean. Maybe next time you could ask what I mean and we could have a conversation about it before you assume.




:hahthatsrich:

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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26868844 - 08/07/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe next time you could ask what I mean and we could have a conversation about it before you assume.




We all have been asking, what you mean.


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    #26868876 - 08/07/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
Dude not even fal sees a race war. If he does then he's clinical too.

Won't be surprised at all if fal comes in here to your defense though. Playing DA is his pass time.

Also, nice way to deflect instead of defend your outrageous views



Vahn's posted plenty of videos showing the reasons why he believes there's a race war.  Should I repost some of them?

The response has generally been to criticize Vahn as a person, rather than criticize his arguments.  Very much like you've preempted your response to me with "If he (Falcon91Wolvnr03) does (see a race war) then he's clinical too".

You want to attack the person, Vahn (and I) would prefer you attack the argument.  :shrug:




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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: koods]
    #26868932 - 08/07/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think we all know what the word war means.



Of course we do.  But can you please define "race war"?  Depending on the answer, then we can better assess if there is or isn't a race war.  I'm not as clear on what it means as you are.


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