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Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. * 4
    #26864770 - 08/05/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

(I put this in a larger thread but it's so important it needs one of its own.)

SO! ... now that the bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest has been released, it paints a VERY different picture of what happened. With ALL the info we have, we now know that...

A: George Floyd was a former criminal that at one point held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.

B: George Floyd tried to use a counterfeit $20 bill to buy something and that's why the cops were called.

B.5: George Floyd had a previous criminal record history with the cops and had been formally arrested on violent charges prior, making the cops extra cautious.

C: He appeared high as hell... and not on weed.. when the cops approached his car to detain him. It is possible he swallowed extra Fentanyl before the cops approached out of nervousness. He was acting completely cracked out the entire time.

D: He couldn't follow the cop's most basic instructions to leave his hands where the officers told him.

E: He RESISTED arrest for a solid 5 mins, the whole time saying, "I'm not resisting!"

F: Even some black girl nearby said to Floyd, "stop resisting!" because she knew how this works.

G: 3 cops collectively tried to get Floyd into the back seat of the cop car and he stiffened his body and refused to go in. They tries for several minutes before giving up and placing him on the ground. They didn't shoot or taze him even though they likely could have after he resisted getting arrested.

H: Floyd was shouting, "I can't breathe!" long before any cop was on his neck. Likely to do emotional distress or the drugs he was taking... or something else. He ASKED to be put on the ground multiple times, claiming claustrophobia in the car. (Dude was just in a car 5 mins earlier... he was cracked out and making shit up.)

I: None of this justifies the cop kneeling on his neck, but after 10 minutes of Floyd refusing to comply and multiple cops trying to arrest him, it doesn't make Floyd out to be as innocent as people think. He could have avoided his death at like 5 different phases in this, and it's not even certain the cop killed him any longer.

J:Most importantly, there is NOWHERE in this video that ANYTHING that happened to Floyd was racially motivated. This was all a political farce to start a race war. The cops were not "terrorizing" Floyd or treating him unjustly. They showed HUGE levels of restraint, actually, given his non-compliance.

(Also, the autopsy showed lethal amounts of Fentanyl in his system as well as meth.)

All of this just isn't my silly little take on what happened... The Daily Mail, which is definitely NOT pro-republican news source, posted the video... and the comments basically ALL agree with me. People are pissed off we were lied to and we let our major cities go to hell because of it. All the top comments basically say, "fuck the media, fuck this shit. We were lied to. Floyd was a crackhead."

The media has blood on their hands. 30 people died in the riots, including children.

Here's the bodycam footage below. Everyone should watch it.

Also, I guess reddit/r/politics thought the actual bodycam footage was too "controversial" so they keep removing it off their site. Or maybe it's because it doesn't paint the narrative the political left wants and the comments on the video were saying the same thing as the on the Dailymail's video. ("Fuck this, we were lied to!")

EDIT: Everyone really needs to click on the Youtube video and read the comments. Not because you have to agree with them, but because you ought to have PROOF of what the general consensus about this is.





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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26864815 - 08/05/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No one involved was an angel, by a long shot. The issue that really nailed it as a murder to me was how him and Chauvin used to be co-workers at a club and were known to have not gotten along. I think they even got in a fight while working there but you'll need to check.

Just my $.02.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 6
    #26864823 - 08/05/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

None of this justifies the cop kneeling on his neck


Fuck you and your disgusting attempt to justify police murder. <<< worth the ban


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26864839 - 08/05/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh it isn't just me. As I said, over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree. Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video while enjoying your ban.

This website really is an echo-chamber.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Rapjack]
    #26864841 - 08/05/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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No one involved was an angel, by a long shot. The issue that really nailed it as a murder to me was how him and Chauvin used to be co-workers at a club and were known to have not gotten along. I think they even got in a fight while working there but you'll need to check.

Just my $.02.





This was strange to me as well.  TBH the murder seemed personal if they truly knew each other. 

a personal vendetta turned into a massive race war in the media?  Is there even an investigation into their history together?

T'was murder either way.  Dude deserves prison or worse but I wish we knew more ( if there is more).


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Herbologist] * 3
    #26864847 - 08/05/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

We don't know if it was murder. Floyd had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system and it was mixed with meth during the autopsy. He may have seen the cops, got scared and took it all to not get busted, which resulted in him O.D.-ing and dying.

A great comment from the Youtube video: "Nobody talks about how high he was and he was driving a damn vehicle... Could of potentially killed innocent people"


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26864861 - 08/05/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Transcript of 911 call regarding Floyd:

"Operator: How can I help you?

Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.

Operator: Okay, what type of vehicle does he have?

Caller: And... um he's got a vehicle that is ah...ah he got a vehicle that is ah one second let me see if I can see the license. The driver license is BRJ026.

Operator: Okay, what color is it?

Caller: It's a blue color. It's a blue van.

Operator: Blue van?

Caller: Yes, van.

Operator: Alright blue van, gotcha. Is it out front or is it on 38th ST?

Caller: Ah it's on 38th ST.

Operator: On 38th ST. So, this guy gave a counterfeit bill, has your cigarettes, and he's under the influence of something?

Caller: Something like that, yes. He is not acting right.

Operator: What's he look like, what race?

Caller: Um, he's a tall guy. He's like tall and bald, about like 6...6 1/2, and she's not acting right so and she started to go, drive the car.

Operator: Okay so, female or a male?

Caller: Um...

Operator: Is it a girl or a boy?

Caller: (Talking to somebody else)—he's asking (inaudible) one second. Hello?

Operator: Is it a girl or a boy that did this?

Caller: It is a man.

Operator: Okay. Is he white, black, Native, Hispanic, Asian?

Caller: Something like that. ("Something like that" LMAO! No one wanted to admit he was black.)

Operator: Which one? White, black, Native, Hispanic, Asian?

Caller: No, he's a black guy.

Operator: Alright (sigh)."


Public intoxication as well as counterfeit money. License plate was run. Likely matched up to a criminal who had threatened others with live weapons before.

I'm going to keep saying it. Floyd put a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach in order to rob her. He had a fuckin' HISTORY with violent crime.

So of course the cops are gonna be on guard when they get notified, "George Floyd, a man with a violent criminal history, is likely sitting in a van intoxicated outside of this corner store."

Furthermore, the store approached Floyd to explain the bill was fake and Floyd had STOLEN from them and he refused to undo the exchange between them. That now makes him a full thief.

This was NOT some random guy. They RAN his plates. They HAD his history.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26864867 - 08/05/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh it isn't just me. As I said, over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree. Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video while enjoying your ban.

This website really is an echo-chamber.




Then go lick boot elsewhere.  How are you going to come onto a website primarily about taking and cultivating illegal drugs and think you'll be received as a hero for vomiting out pro-cop takes wherein you justify the murder of a man partly for being high?


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Marxcelium] * 1
    #26864873 - 08/05/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Because the drug-war should end and honorable policing has nothing to do with drugs. I stand with all of you on the drug-issue.

However, operating vehicles on certain drugs is still life-threatening. AND CRIMINALS WITH A VIOLENT HISTORY ON DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS. And we need police for so many other things.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Vahn421] * 4
    #26864878 - 08/05/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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None of this justifies the cop kneeling on his neck




I think this is the issue here. He was definitely inebriated, but that doesn't justify having a cop kneel on your neck until you stop breathing.

However, it does seem like they did as much as they could to restrain him and they were running out of options. Policing is a difficult job. Some people are not easy to restrain (they're bigger than the cop, on enough drugs to give them more "strength", etc). So what are the options in such situations? I think this whole situation is a difficult one.

Black people are, on average, profiled more than white people. But at the same time, statistics suggests that they commit crimes at a higher rate than their non-black peers. Are the statistics true? If so, does that justify the increased profiling? If not, what are the underlying causes of said profiling?

America has a host of major problems, the root causes being numerous and complicated. And this situation shows exactly that. There were so many things wrong here and, in each instance, we need to figure out how we as a society are failing.

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we let our major cities go to hell because of it.




This wasn't about George Floyd. It was about opportunists seizing on the situation to cause chaos and steal. And I'm not talking about peaceful protests. I'm talking about people looting new nikes or flat screen T.Vs. I fail to see how that "honors" the memory of the person they purportedly are fighting for.

Either way, it's all a big mess. America is in a bad place, and was for a while. I think if George Floyd was killed like this say, a couple of years ago, this wouldn't have blown up as much as it had. But with our continued political and economic turmoil (as well as the corona-virus) people just went crazy.

America needs change. But we need honest dialogue about it. And neither side of the political spectrum cares about that.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Marxcelium] * 2
    #26864891 - 08/05/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh it isn't just me. As I said, over 90% of people reading about this shit seem to agree. Go and check the comments on the this non-conservative sourced Youtube video while enjoying your ban.

This website really is an echo-chamber.




Then go lick boot elsewhere.  How are you going to come onto a website primarily about taking and cultivating illegal drugs and think you'll be received as a hero for vomiting out pro-cop takes wherein you justify the murder of a man partly for being high?




I don't think OP is trying to be a hero, just opening up more dialogue. Also, as much as I hate the drug LAWS, we cannot blame police for carrying out the LAWS. Police don't enforce laws that don't exist. So we need to change the laws.

And I'm not "pro" police but I'm not anti-police either. I'm for open and honest dialogue on all sides. For what it's worth, I think we need a policing system in our communities, but the current one is poorly trained and too militaristic.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26864934 - 08/05/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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we cannot blame police for carrying out the LAWS.




Why not?  Are police drafted?  Last I checked, which was some time ago, police apply to become police.  They do this knowing full well that the job is to oppress people.  Why isn't that blameworthy?


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Enlil]
    #26864940 - 08/05/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly. The laws are an excuse to impose a racist carceral state maintained by the police, who choose to execute the state's opression of working people, primarily POC, in exchange for a salary.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26864947 - 08/05/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The only job a police officer has is to oppress people?


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26864954 - 08/05/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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we cannot blame police for carrying out the LAWS.




Why not?  Are police drafted?  Last I checked, which was some time ago, police apply to become police.  They do this knowing full well that the job is to oppress people.  Why isn't that blameworthy?




Removing the word, "oppress," I mostly agree with this, but I also agree with Socrateshroom kinda, too.

"Just doing my job" is a poor and shitty excuse for betraying your moral code. If your heart says, "no" and your job says, "yes" you might wanna quit your job to save your soul.

But I'm not of the opinion most police have tainted souls. I think the few that do give the rest of them a bad name... and they're easy to highlight on social media to make everyone assume the problem is bigger than it really is.

The case of George Floyd is ambiguous. People aren't pissed off because the cops are in the right. They are pissed off because it is ambiguous and we were lied to about what happpened.

The opposition is pretending like this leaked footage changes nothing when OBVIOUSLY the vast majority of people who are seeing this video DO NOT feel that way. They feel it changes everything.

Look at Reddit censoring the video.

Look at the comments on Youtube.

Rational human beings are pissed off we were lied to. Hell, you could STILL think it was the cops fault but you should STILL be pissed off that you were lied to.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26864962 - 08/05/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The only job a police officer has is to oppress people?




That's the sum total of their effect on society, yes.  They're an arm of the state who's function is to prop up domestic capitalist hegemony.  Do they save a pupper from a hot car every now and then? Yes, because many police officers are genuinely good people who are accidentally doing an evil job.  Just like the troops.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #26864976 - 08/05/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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...police apply to become police.  They do this knowing full well that the job is to oppress people.



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    #26864984 - 08/05/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The only job a police officer has is to oppress people?



The primary job, yes.  They also serve to get revenue for the county/city.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26864999 - 08/05/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, but I don't think their only job is to oppress people.
Quote:

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The only job a police officer has is to oppress people?



The primary job, yes.  They also serve to get revenue for the county/city.




Their primary job is to oppress people?


It's easy to make blanket statements.  I thought that was something we tried to avoid on the shroomery?


We could probably sit here and talk about scumbag lawyers all day and how they fuck over a lot of people?  I mean most are just greasy ambulance chasers aren't they?


Drug users are low life scum bottom of the barrel citizens right?


I dont understand the double standard.


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Re: Full leaked bodycam footage of George Floyd's arrest paints a very different picture. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26865007 - 08/05/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to have those discussions, that's fine.  This thread is about police, though.


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