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Top much light?
    #26864688 - 08/05/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I`m a total noob so I have a few questions. So i bought 2 grow kits (treasure coast) with the idea of taking spores for a monotub.

I want to ask if a 85w cfl bulb with a reflector is too big, its normally used for seedlings and clones.
My Main concern is that the bulb produces too much heat so i have sterilized a thermometer and put it in one og the bags.

Last question how many hours of light do they need, and what is best direct og indirect light
Thanks for your time



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Re: Top much light? [Re: Nico1996]
    #26864702 - 08/05/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Technically they need 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness. Just don’t let em get over 80f.

6500k lighting not incandescent. 😄


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Re: Top much light? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26864741 - 08/05/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Technically they need 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness.



Not at all true. They will grow in 24/7 light and they'll grow in 8h a day light. They're not like plants which are more or less dependant on light schedules to grow healthy. Mushrooms just don't want complete darkness, that's basically it. :shrug:

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6500k lighting not incandescent.



Also a misconception, unless testing and verifying these supposed theories for oneself one has no option than to repeat something that someone else said and that person as well also not knowing for himself/herself if what the person is saying is true or false because they repeated something they heard. That's why the usual 6500K myth is being proposed as a 'must'. I won't argue with the spectrum of natural daylight which is 6.5k also happens to be exactly the spectrum mushrooms grow in in their natural habitat, but after personally having grown them in 2700K,3200K,4000K, with low effect LED lights, flourescent lights, incandescent, you name it, so I know that one doesn't need to go out of one's way just to find 6500K which are not all that easy to find actually, just put the FC in a somewhat bright spot where it gets some daylight and when complemented with any kind of artificial light they grow just fine. :thumbup:


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Re: Top much light? [Re: Mateja]
    #26864779 - 08/05/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for your replies. The light is a flourescent bulb i had lying around here is a link.
https://maxgrowshop.com/product-eng-317-Elektrox-CFL-85W-Growth.html

But if the temperature is acceptable can i still use the bulb, it sends out 4500lm, or will it destroy the kits


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Re: Top much light? [Re: Nico1996]
    #26864801 - 08/05/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I mean, what I said wasn’t meant to sound like I’m speaking the one for all truth.

Kinda just saying what it says basically all over Shroomery. I understand they don’t need light as I said above but they do benefit from it. And I understand they don’t need 6500k lighting but it is proven to work.

😁 there’s several different ways to succeed in this hobby.


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Re: Top much light? [Re: EntheoGod] * 1
    #26864869 - 08/05/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kinda just saying what it says basically all over Shroomery.



And I'm not just repeating what everyone says on Shroomery I conduct experiments to KNOW what is what because these kinds of things interest me, I'm somewhat curious as to how mushroom cultivation works because it's pretty evident how parroting outdated information works and why it's still so predominant. My goal is to raise the knowledge about home cultivation and to elevate the overall success rate of the community. If that calls for me to constantly keep debunking outdated misconceptions then so møte it be :bongload:


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Re: Top much light? [Re: Mateja]
    #26864874 - 08/05/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Spread as much info as you would like :smile:

I never told you not to. Just saying it works several different ways and to varying degrees of success and these have been PROVEN to work not saying they are the only ways that will work. 👍

The op can do whatever he likes and even experiment for themselves. It’s up to them. I am just saying what’s worked for me as well as hundreds of others. The info you shared is accurate, yes. I’m not debating that.

He will succeed with light at 6500k and 12 on 12 off possibly just as well as 3500k or lower. But 6500k works well and has been shown to work well over the years. I love being shown new info and new successful ways to do this hobby. It’s another amazing facet with mycology.


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Re: Top much light? [Re: EntheoGod] * 1
    #26864916 - 08/05/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Spread as much info as you would like :smile:

I never told you not to. Just saying it works several different ways and to varying degrees of success and these have been PROVEN to work not saying they are the only ways that will work. 👍



And I don't disagree with you, like I said, just because I manage to grow mushrooms from inside an old matrass with substantial maintenence and care doesn't mean that it should be called an effective fruiting chamber and doesn't mean that I should even compare it to a gazillion times more effective method that actually provides what the name "fruiting chamber" implies. Not having adjustable FAE on your mushroom fruiting chamber in 2020 is just refusing to accept the truth about how far this madness is evolving. And don't take this as some sort of attack on you or anyone personally. It's just that I'm finally fed up with all the parroting of misconceptions, I'm tired of intellectual lazyness and dishonesty and I'm just opening new and old growers up to some thing which many actually know but haven't yet realized that they're right now the part of an issue that they themselves observed when they were new and they themselves raised hell on this forum to call out lazy growers who don't test their theories out and who continually keep regurgitating the same outdated info year after year. I looked up to many growers simply for debunking years or decades old myths while getting a hard time for it by creatures of habit who can't accept that things change and that current assumed good info has in fact been proven to be outdated and contraproductive as hell for the individual noob as well for the community as a whole.

What's that saying? You live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I'm speaking to this aspects of the experienced growers that used to be how should I say it "less politically correct". And by being rebellious they changed this place for the better, and how can I best repay that favor than by calling hypocracy myself whenever I see it :bongload:


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Re: Top much light? [Re: Mateja]
    #26865651 - 08/05/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So after 7 hours of light i reached 87 fahrenheit om the cake, which is too much, so i Will adjust the height og the lamp later today. Do you guys think the Mycelium has taken Damage due the the temperature for 7 hours


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Re: Top much light? [Re: Nico1996]
    #26865662 - 08/05/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes with a 85W CFL you can probably feed flowering plants with that, but mushrooms aren't plants they don't feed on the sun rays they live in the shade and feed on nutrients that they absorb and metabolise, but they don't photosynthesise. I'd remove that lamp completely and not just move it further away, I don't think the full spectrum light is in any way advantageous for mycelium. Unless you're growing in an area with no natural daylight you won't need any lamps.  If your FC doesnt have access to any kind of daylight then get a low energy fluorescent or whatever in the cool white/natural white spectrum and you don't need anything stronger than 5-7w


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Re: Top much light? [Re: Mateja]
    #26865717 - 08/06/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the answer could i just raise the reflector, i mean the coverage is awesome, bear in mind that my plan is a monotub that fill out the entire shelve. Maybe a small fan for some air circulation.


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Re: Top much light? [Re: Mateja]
    #26865728 - 08/06/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A single 8-10W LED would be plenty even for a monotub. Burning those T8s or whatever they are is way overkill.

Can mushrooms get UV burn I wonder?

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Mateah said:
Quote:

EntheoGod said:
Technically they need 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness.



Not at all true. They will grow in 24/7 light and they'll grow in 8h a day light. They're not like plants which are more or less dependant on light schedules to grow healthy. Mushrooms just don't want complete darkness, that's basically it. :shrug:

Quote:


6500k lighting not incandescent.



Also a misconception, unless testing and verifying these supposed theories for oneself one has no option than to repeat something that someone else said and that person as well also not knowing for himself/herself if what the person is saying is true or false because they repeated something they heard. That's why the usual 6500K myth is being proposed as a 'must'. I won't argue with the spectrum of natural daylight which is 6.5k also happens to be exactly the spectrum mushrooms grow in in their natural habitat, but after personally having grown them in 2700K,3200K,4000K, with low effect LED lights, flourescent lights, incandescent, you name it, so I know that one doesn't need to go out of one's way just to find 6500K which are not all that easy to find actually, just put the FC in a somewhat bright spot where it gets some daylight and when complemented with any kind of artificial light they grow just fine. :thumbup:




If nothing else, 6500K lighting is a lot better for color rendering when someone is taking photos for the forum to evaluate. Better than 2700K where everything is shades of pink. "Is this lipstick mold?" "Yes, all of it. Carpet. Walls. Perlite. Thermometer. Everywhere."

And you're right; 6500K is not that easy to find. I think it's easier to see by, so that's all I use in the house. I'm the only person at the store buying dusty boxes of 6500K lights.


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