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Problems fruiting with pf tek
    #26864456 - 08/05/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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hey all. I recently followed pf tek on my first grow. Everything had been going well until I had birthed the cakes. I waited for them to pin before birthing but all those pins had aborted and no growth since then. I had birthed them almost 2 weeks ago. My fruiting camber has been kept at 70-75 degrees and 85-90% rh. My first week or so I hadn’t had good conditions because my temperature gauge had broke. I have also rinsed the cakes under water for a couple minutes despite them not being under 100 grams.


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: captainstropharia]
    #26864552 - 08/05/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Got any pics ?


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26864580 - 08/05/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

pics are worth a thousand words when trying to help diagnose problems like these. you don’t need to worry that much about RH it’s more just about keeping the fruiting surfaces moist. i’m not too familiar with the PF/cake process but it’s possible birthing the pins may have caused too much stress & made them abort? or your cakes got too dry or something. pics will def help


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: hazyhorse]
    #26864614 - 08/05/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There’s several things that could be wrong but pics would help much more than a description.

I understand not thinking to do that but keep that in mind. When you birthed them did you soak them for a while first before rolling them in verm and putting em in the chamber?


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: hazyhorse]
    #26864651 - 08/05/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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you don’t need to worry that much about RH it’s more just about keeping the fruiting surfaces moist. i’m not too familiar with the PF/cake process



He has to exactly worry about RH in the environment the cakes are in and actually does not need to worry about adding moisture to his substrates daily. Mushrooms don't need moisture or water sprayed on them, they will create and maintain the correct micro climate as long as they're in a somewhat suitable environment. So it doesn't strike me as odd that you don't understand the process you're commenting, as you mentioned yourself the fact that you don't have any particular experience on the subject could be why you don't seem to understand the very process that you're describing. Is it helpful to new growers looking for tested theories and advice coming from experience? Probably not..


SGFC imo/Ime is not at all capable of creating/maintaining a suitable environment for fruit production. But the HC is and I can comfortably advise any new grower to start fruiting cskes in those kinds of setups instead of ancient old contrapments that no one to this day can correctly explain how they operate because no one has even taken the time to study the phenomena regarding evaporation rates of the subs. GL Op


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26864726 - 08/05/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I just uploaded a picture I didn’t soak them when they were first birthed and haven’t rolled them in dry verm


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: captainstropharia]
    #26864796 - 08/05/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Try soaking them for a couple hours and rolling em in dry verm then placing them back in the sgfc with a nice misting then don’t mist til the next day and do how you normally would for a sgfc.


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26864833 - 08/05/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Definitely going to dunk and roll them but what does rolling them do


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: captainstropharia]
    #26864850 - 08/05/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just uploaded a picture I didn’t soak them when they were first birthed and haven’t rolled them in dry verm



Not dunking and not rolling cakes in verm before placing inside SGFC is beyond asking for trouble :nono: cakes benefit greatly from a 24h dunk after birth. For visual effect this is how much water a 1/2 pint cake absorbs in 24h after birth.

If you'd like to learn more about how BRF cakes absorb water you can read about it in this experiment . And I'd recommend to always roll the cakes inbetween flushes and using a HC for best fruit formation with least effort or maintenence. Rolling/coating the cake protects the mycelium from too fast evaporation and at the same time provides for a perfect micro climate by creating tiny pockets/nooks,cranneys, valleys, that naturally create a 99% humidity conditions on the surface level which is crucial for fruit formation. With a naked cake with a flat surface you'd need to have a bit more experience with tuning the evaporation rates (which can not be tuned with a SGFC that doesnt have adjustable FAE like HC has, and it's way easier to fruit these substrates after coating them in verm or coir :thumbup:


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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: Mateja]
    #26864868 - 08/05/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Problems fruiting with pf tek [Re: Mateja]
    #26864944 - 08/05/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So glad I found your HC tek, it allowed me to get over 10 grams dry from just a few cakes. Do the HC tek, forget the SGFC.


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