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Back to the roots kit
    #26864232 - 08/05/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I want to get into edible mushroom cultivation and was curious if I could purchase one of the back to the roots oyster mushroom grow kits, crumble the spawn and grow them in a bucket with holes with sawdust?


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26864713 - 08/05/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, you can expand kit spawn :thumbup:

I wouldn't recommend using sawdust in a bucket though, it will take forever to colonize. Try using straw. You can also use poly tubing.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26864809 - 08/05/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’m wondering now if there are better places to get more ready to spawn oyster grain for cheaper. The kit is like 20$ and I can pick it up at my local hardware store


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26864838 - 08/05/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Buy a 50lb bag of grain for $8, 12 glass canning jars for $7-$12, presto pressure canner for $150. Ask one of the kind people on this forum for a culture and Bam, an endless supply of mushrooms, any species you desire. Maybe kits are ok to wet your whistle but I'd forgo all of that and start pumping out your own spawn.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26864897 - 08/05/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Word thanks for the advice, definitely will keep my eyes out for a culture


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26864906 - 08/05/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You can find plate cultures and LC syringes of just about any gourmet/medicinal from sponsors. 1 LC syringe can be expanded ad infinitum. It's really the best option especially compared to purchasing kits for spawn.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26865076 - 08/05/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I wouldn't recommend using sawdust in a bucket though, it will take forever to colonize. Try using straw. You can also use poly tubing.




As long as you don't overdo the water content, it really doesn't take longer than any other size substrate spawned at the same rate.  Especially with oysters.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: Forrester]
    #26865111 - 08/05/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You can also use aspen wood chips in the bucket (especially if using oyster spawn). You can get a big bag of aspen "pet" bedding at supply stores for about 10$. Ive grown oysters off aspen chips quite well in buckets.

Edit: I highly suggest searching "fresh cap mushrooms oyster bucket" on youtube if you plan on doing a bucket. An excellent and simple tutorial for getting it going. Good luck 👍


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26865173 - 08/05/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You can also use aspen wood chips in the bucket (especially if using oyster spawn). You can get a big bag of aspen "pet" bedding at supply stores for about 10$. Ive grown oysters off aspen chips quite well in buckets.

Edit: I highly suggest searching "fresh cap mushrooms oyster bucket" on youtube if you plan on doing a bucket. An excellent and simple tutorial for getting it going. Good luck 👍




That’s exactly the video that inspired me but I just don’t have any spawn available. My PC comes tomorrow though so I could look into making a grain spawn jar of oysters. Have a lot of shaded area in my backyard that I could hang buckets from


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: Forrester]
    #26865183 - 08/05/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I wouldn't recommend using sawdust in a bucket though, it will take forever to colonize. Try using straw. You can also use poly tubing.




As long as you don't overdo the water content, it really doesn't take longer than any other size substrate spawned at the same rate.  Especially with oysters.




I've had slow colonization with non supplemented sawdust in large volume containers like 5 gal buckets, I just thought it must be inferior sub selection and never gave it a second go around.

What's your harvest from a sawdust bucket? I ultimately used my partially colonized bucket for spawn in an outdoor oyster bed so I didn't get to find out.

This cluster came from that bed:



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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26865218 - 08/05/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

When I first started out (before I started making my own spawn blocks) I just ordered spawn literally off amazon. You shouldnt have any trouble buying pre colonized blocks, liquid culture, agar dishes, whatever you need. If you need help searching just say the word and Ill provide you with links.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26865249 - 08/05/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Def wouldn’t mind those links


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26865257 - 08/05/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What species are you looking to grow? How many buckets? One piece of advice, do not try to cut corners and use less soawn oer bucket than the vid says. Use at least 5lbs of spawn for a 5 gal bucket.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26865400 - 08/05/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Would love to start small maybe 3 buckets, oysters are some of my favorites and they seem like they are good for beginners


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26865889 - 08/06/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Buckets are ok but require some attention especially in dryer environments once the clusters form. You need to make sure that they stay moist. I always recommend small Martha's for fruiting on straight hardwood fuel pellet blocks in myco bags, unless you're  comfortable sterilizing supplemented sawdust bags.

With HWFP all you need to do is measure out your pellets in the bag and add boiling water from your kettle to expand and hydrate, wait until cool to noc up with a quart of spawn. Makes a 5lb block. Seems like inefficient to use 5 lbs of spawn in a HWFP bucket when you can make 5 x 5lb Fruiting blocks for a Martha, this will also cut down on contamination if you haven't dialed in your grain spawn yet by not having too many eggs in one basket. 1 jar/bag, if a jar is contaminated you will be potentially mixing in with 4 other jars in a bucket that would have otherwise produced just fine.

The martha is much easier to maintain proper fruiting conditions in and allows you to run any other species that interests you. The system is scalable so should you become interested in a larger  volume of production in the future you're already in the door with the layout of a Martha.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26865899 - 08/06/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well here's a good place to order spawn. There are many many others, this is just a place that Ive ordered from before. Good luck with your buckets! Consider staggering their fruiting times so you dont wind up with a ton of mushrooms at once. Also, not sure about your area, but when I was into buckets the insects were relentless.. they drove me towards indoor growing. So just be aware of that and try to prepare.

https://everythingmushrooms.com/product/oyster-mushroom-blue-oyster-pleurotus-columbinus-sawdust-spawn-block/


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest] * 1
    #26865901 - 08/06/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've looked at your posts and have seen that you've made cakes for actives and now you want to grow oysters, honestly man, do not order spawn off of the internet! Get into producing your own spawn and become self sufficient,  this is the best possible advice and course of action.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest] * 1
    #26866086 - 08/06/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Put it like this, when you invest in online blocks/spawn you're getting just that. With a couple hundred dollars you can produce spawn for any species, produce blocks, sterilize equipment, produce food.

1 jar of spawn can be expanded into 10 other jars. 1 presto canner fits 10 jars.
With one sterilization cycle you can produce 9 fruiting blocks from 9 of those jars, use the 10th jar as a master to create another 10 jars of spawn. Repeat that cycle. You will always have fruits and spawn this way.

Once you get the hang of spawn you can upgrade from grain jars to 5-6lb grain spawn bags and really get off the ground.

Scalability is the name of the game because once cultivation gets a hold of you and colonizes your bones like the rest of us you'll be happy that you don't have to rely on someone else.


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26866209 - 08/06/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Put it like this, when you invest in online blocks/spawn you're getting just that. With a couple hundred dollars you can produce spawn for any species, produce blocks, sterilize equipment, produce food.

1 jar of spawn can be expanded into 10 other jars. 1 presto canner fits 10 jars.
With one sterilization cycle you can produce 9 fruiting blocks from 9 of those jars, use the 10th jar as a master to create another 10 jars of spawn. Repeat that cycle. You will always have fruits and spawn this way.

Once you get the hang of spawn you can upgrade from grain jars to 5-6lb grain spawn bags and really get off the ground.

Scalability is the name of the game because once cultivation gets a hold of you and colonizes your bones like the rest of us you'll be happy that you don't have to rely on someone else.




Dude you’re the man !!! This is all great info and advice. I am going to wait until I can order a culture and clean it up on agar. My 23q presto comes in today. Then I’ll do bags or jars. I’m trying to grow cubes and edibles simultaneously. I was just being lazy when I made my OP lol. But you’re right I already have everything I need except grains

Would millet work for edibles ? That’s what I’m planning to use for my cubes


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Re: Back to the roots kit [Re: CrashTest]
    #26866231 - 08/06/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Millet will certainly work for anything you're looking to grow, all commonly used grains used in spawn production can be adapted for either gourmet/medicinal or actives. :thumbup:

It'll be no time before you're running supplemented production bags. Good luck.

The above spawn expansion scenario is the same for actives as well, there is a lot of overlap between gourmet and actives especially when delving into saprophytes.

Here's a gourmet producer using millet in his spawn bags, this may interest you. I've never used millet personally but may be something that you're interested in. I personally wouldn't want to hydrate with a 24 hour soak when using quart jars but when running a large volume of 6lb spawn bags it could be useful.



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