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    #26864220 - 08/05/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Set up this mini mono and SGFC on Monday and I am very excite.

This mini-mono was made with peat moss instead of coir, because I HAD the peat and couldn't find coir. I know this is not the proper medium and I'm not expecting anything much except just to see what happens, but I have three bricks of coir arriving Friday to set up one the proper way:


And this is the SFG, let it sit about 10 hours then misted very lightly right before bed and misted 3 times yesterday:


I'm feeling good about having gotten this far, open to observations and advice (aside from don't use peat, I am aware, this is truly just an experiment while waiting on the good stuff to ship) and looking forward to seeing the progress.


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26864368 - 08/05/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

trim ur foil a bit and move the cakes as close to each other as possible. that way you can create a microclimate effect near them since u only have 3 cakes in that entire fc. you should always keep them close to each other 😃👍


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Re: First grow progress [Re: jcm4620]
    #26864394 - 08/05/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I made the foils as small as I could get it and still be sure the cakes weren't sitting directly on the perlite, and I was afraid to put them any closer together than that because I thought the new shrooms might need the space to grow, but I can adjust. I also have 3 more cakes that will be beginning their soak either tonight or tomorrow morning, so that will help too. Thanks for the response!


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26864395 - 08/05/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

😃👍👍


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26864404 - 08/05/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Update! I was checking to see if I needed to mist them again yet today and saw THIS on two fo the cakes. NONE of these pins were visible last night before I went to bed:








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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26866584 - 08/06/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Day 3 update:
















I can now count 40 individual pins! If half of those make it to full growth I will feel like I actually accomplished something here!


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26866624 - 08/06/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have to say the micro climate you have created inside the SGFC is one of the better ones I've seen. Just keep maintaining those tiny droplets on the cakes surface but be careful not to overmist, you'll notice when you're over misting when the surface isn't able to evaporate off much before being sprayed again, thus the myc on top starts to absorb the droplets instead of keeping them sitting on the surface and you loose the 99% humidity pockets inbetween the droplets where pins are formed and instead you get this soaked shiny looking cakes with water on them which is bad. Remember to mist when you think it's needed and don't get hung up on what you planned to do but you probably already new this. GL


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Re: First grow progress [Re: Mateja]
    #26866661 - 08/06/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I was having trouble the first day; cakes would either have no moisture or a complete coating of water, nothing in between. Then I adjusted my spray bottle to the finest possible mist setting and that helped, then I saw someone mention being careful not to spray too closely in order to not sandblast the verm off the cake, and on a whim I tried spraying from further away. Rather than try to spray the cake at all; I just stand and mist over the tub from the far end and that seems to be exactly what this particular set up needs. *Shrug* live, try, and learn. Thanks for the compliment!


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26866734 - 08/06/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah looks great! The mushrooms will grow in between the cakes where they want to be. If you are really looking for straight, aesthetically pleasing mushies, maybe keep the spacing you have. But, I've found that the more cakes in my tub, the better it is able to keep the microclimate optimal near the surface of the cake. Better pin sets it seems when I have more in there at a time. I also have been experimenting with wax paper "tents" laid gently over the cakes with a little space in between the tent and the cake. Its working wonders so far.


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Re: First grow progress [Re: TipOfTheCap]
    #26866755 - 08/06/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:popcorn: I have a good feeling about this too. Keep up those fruiting conditions.


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Re: First grow progress [Re: TipOfTheCap]
    #26866770 - 08/06/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm gonna adjust the spacing as I add a few cakes, I started different set, and different strains a week apart on each set in order to maybe end up with a more consistent yield frequency instead of have a sudden feast followed by a drought as I wait for second round from spore prints taken from my first round. Also, I figured doing that would mean that if I screwed something up and lost a whole round I wouldn't have used ALL my spores in one shot. Forgot to take a pic of the mini-monotub, but it really hasn't changed much yet.


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26866835 - 08/06/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Smart to not put your eggs in one basket. Post some mono pics!


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Re: First grow progress [Re: TipOfTheCap]
    #26867510 - 08/06/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Alas, I went to do my last misting of the night and noticed a couple of fruit fly maggots in the mono. Trying to decide what to do about that. I'm not heart broken since I used a "non-approved" medium for my substrate just to experiment while waiting on coir to ship and expected something to go wrong, but it wasn't fruit flies that I was expecting. THAT is a problem that I don't think sub material would affect. It's also a VERY frustrating problem since the tub has stayed almost completely closed with some of those ironed poly-fill magnetic covers over the holes SPECIFICALLY to keep out the fruit flies and gnats, being that this IS July/August in the Southeast.

I set out some jars of ACV+Dawn all over the house to catch the adults, and one in a corner of the mono to (maybe?) catch any adults that hatch out of the sub before they mate and lay MORE eggs. But I suspect that tub is D-E-D, dead to me now.


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26868008 - 08/07/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've never recovered a jar from gnat maggots before. The maggots actually don't hurt mushrooms if you've started fruiting (though they will eat all the nutrients before the myc can colonize if they are inside your jars). Its usually the bacteria infection they create from their deaths, or on their bodies. I have read some people saving stuff with organic maggot killers that they soak the substrate in. You'd have to search. But really, its probably lost. Even though you have polyfill, they can get in. I drape a mosquito net across all my jars in the closet. I live in the deep south, and this is an ongoing problem all year long. You can also put apple cider vinegar in a big bowl with cling wrap or wax paper taped over the top with a few small holes punched in it. Keep that near your doors and next to your jars and chambers. If they make it in your house and close to your mushies, they may just decided the bowl looks better. Sorry to hear that brother.


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Re: First grow progress [Re: TipOfTheCap]
    #26868057 - 08/07/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Day 4 Pictures:
This is the mini-mono. Still not a lot of visible change from the picture but leaning in a looking I can see lots of evidence that the myc is growing under there, and no sign of cobweb or trich yet; which makes the presence of fruit flies even more frustrating. Getting ready to set up another room and move the tub into it and see if I can manage to at least get a few fruits for spore prints before it's overwhelmed.


And the SGFC:







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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26869392 - 08/08/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Shotgun still looks amazing! Keep that mono going. Looks okay so far. Keep updating the threat. Great job so far!


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Re: First grow progress [Re: TipOfTheCap]
    #26869790 - 08/08/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Day 5 update
First up, the mini-mono made with Peat: still no significant visible change, but at this point since I still don't see any sign of contam I take it that no news is good news:


Next, set up a second mini-mono using coir/verm this time. And if seeing is believing, then experiencing is understanding. After FINALLY getting my hands on some coir and doing the bucket tek to hydrate and pasteurize it, I now get why it is the prefered substrate:


And the SGFC:





Went to do my first mist of the day and realized that while I wasn't expecting any fruit until about tuesday or wednesday, these first 3 B+ cakes continue to catch me off guard with their enthusiasm. had one mushie fully opened and about 5 or 6 more that I think will break veil by tonight or tomorrow:





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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26869820 - 08/08/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Cakes look as moist as can be without being too wet, looking awsome at the moment just keep an eye on the droplets to make sure they're not breaking the surface tension and soaking the cake. Idk geographically how the weather and RH is where you live, just keep in mind that evaporation slows down considerably when it's humid outside/inside compared to when the weather is dry. The weather app on your smart phone (assuming you have one) tells you the outside RH in your location, could be useful to keep track of this while learning but ultimately your eyes will tell you when the subs are drying out of are too moist :thumbup: gl


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Re: First grow progress [Re: Mateja]
    #26869858 - 08/08/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I had literally JUST misted and misted a little heavier since it was first thing in the AM and I'm gonna be out of the house a lot today, gonna be 5-6 hour stretches between being able to check and wanted to build up a high humidity before my first trip out. I do have a question about the mini-monos though, I did the bucket tek in an insulated cooler for the coir/verm and it was slightly on the wet side of field capacity after sitting all night, the cakes had soaked for about 18 hours when I shredded them, but after about 6 hours there was so sign of condensation on the sides and the casing layer was looking dry. I'm in the SE USA, dry air is NOT a problem around here this time of year, so I have to conclude that their is a tab more FAE than is really necessary for the smaller tubs. Most of the tub teks and threads I read have plenty of details about how to build and set up the tub and then on the misting and care section they are like "And now you just dial it in and wait. You obviously fully understand THAT process." So I'd love any advice on what I'm actually looking for to maintain the right surface conditions inside them.


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Re: First grow progress [Re: tgriff02]
    #26869910 - 08/08/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Some growers think of FAE as 'making air circulate inside the FC so the shrooms get new air instead of stagnant old air' but IMO it's simply 'managing evaporation rates off the substrate' meaning you want to notice that the substrate has slightly of significantly evaporated off some moisture before you spray again. What you're looking for is those tiny droplets to sit tightly packed on the substrates without them breaking the surface rebsion or creating small pools of standing water on top. You should always look for decrease in the volume/density of those micro droplets on the substrates wether it's cakes with or without casing layer or bulk subs, it's the same requirements. Here's a photo of some cakes and bulk substrates and how it looks when fruiting conditions are near optimal for my grows.



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