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First Grow, Too Much Moisture?
    #26864191 - 08/05/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was too attentive with the misting... Birthed about 6 days ago. Day 4 I noticed this fluffy stuff:


I stopped misting and have been fanning 3 times a day, for about a minute at a time. Here's where I'm at now (Day 6):



Still no pinning... where do I go from here?


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: timmage89]
    #26864225 - 08/05/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don't worry it's not you it's the fruiting chamber trust me and not let anyone fool you that it's somehow your own fault you weren't able to have success, statistically you're getting exactly the results that the vast majority of new growers get with fruiting in one of those. But the good news is that there's THIS and THIS which will increase you're chances of success by... A lot.. My advice to you is to just reroll the cakes in verm and place them inside a HC, give it a generous mist first time, leave a few square inches of openings between the lid and the rim of the tub and then just watch mushrooms grow by themselves. Mist lightly from at least 3 feet away every other or third or forth day if you feel bored or useless, or don't. :thumbup:


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Mateja]
    #26864311 - 08/05/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That seems...easier. I'm gonna go buy some coir.

So just rinse the cakes and reroll in verm? No soaking?


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Mateja]
    #26864348 - 08/05/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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statistically you're getting exactly the results that the vast majority of new growers get with fruiting in one of those.




Shotgun Fruiting Chambers work great, what are you talking about?
If you don't have success with it, something has gone wrong along the way.

Idk what's going on with that cake, but blaming it on a properly designed SGFC (if this is what the OP has) seems like mislead guidance.

But, About the SGFC, those holes look tiny. They should be 1/4" in a 2 inch gridline on all 6 sides of the FC. Lack of FAE causes white fuzz during fruiting, but I've never seen it like that before pins show up, so idk if that's what you have.

Fanning 3X a day is good, but you could honestly double that, and continue misting 3X a day


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: TheDoobsker]
    #26864367 - 08/05/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

SGFC or HC style can work, it just depends on your area and the time and effort you can give. That cake looks sick though. It seems to be turning greenish as those lumps of myc grow. Maybe it’s the camera and it’s just bruising but it still doesn’t look right. Looks like bacterial myc doing something weird.


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26864444 - 08/05/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here's my SGFC. Didn't have a large bit so I did many small holes. Could that be my problem?




Also I'm hoping the color is just bruising from dryness - fanning and no misting for the last 2 days. All 6 of the cakes look like this - what's the best way to save them?


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Roger Clemency] * 1
    #26864469 - 08/05/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The difference between SGFC and a HC setup is that one setup needs 'life support' 3-6times a day, and is basically as far away from the organisms natural environment as you can get. The other setup is more or less a perfect imitation of natural environment and I have over and over shown why that you can pull multiple flushes even without misting once. In the wild mishrooms don't require spraying 3-6times a day just to keep very obvious stress symptoms at bay like bruising/damaging outer layer/skin of the organism. It's pretty self explanatory if you ask me, SGFC doesn't even work the way everyone says it does regarding its functions being supposedly the perlite pulling air through the bottom holes and wicking moisture from the bottom out the surface on top and out through all the holes in the rest of the tub. If this was true then can someone explain to me why perkte always dries out on top if not sprayed with water? And why does it always stay moist throughout the rest when the top dries out? . And when it finally dries out completely why is the bottom portion always the last to dry out? You see I've actually observed its functions carefully and tested hypotheses and it's very clear to me that no air is passing at all through any part of the perlite that's why it can be bone dry on top and a cm below it's very damp, also is probably the reason why it stinks up after a while cause it's all stagnant water throughout the layer and always ens up being dry perlite on top if not sprayed with water several times a day.

So instead of just claiming that it works perfectly well I'd like to hear some reasoning behind the extremely low success rate and extremely poor results in vast majority of fort time growers using cakes inside the shotgun. And I'd like to hear the formed opinions of someone who consistently pulls successful flushes using it.


This is me trying to keep my intellectual honestly intact and refusing to accept ancient myths about functions of something that by definition can hardy even be called a fruiting chamber. By definition a mushroom fruiting chamber is something that 2xactöy or closely mimick the organisms natural environment, let's just think about that for a second before we go on promoting (parroting) the same old useless tips and advice like "add more perlite" (ugh....) or "make a new one and drill the holes correctly" (this is on the verge of psychopathic advice imo) sgfc will always be associated with blue bruising cakes that refuse to pin, that take weeks to pin and cakes always look like the saddest substrates you've seen, always some kind of matted myc and overly wet at the same time. The looks of a tropical organism trying to survive in harsh climate far from what it's used to.


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: timmage89]
    #26864506 - 08/05/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That seems...easier. I'm gonna go buy some coir.

So just rinse the cakes and reroll in verm? No soaking?



You don't need to buy anything to create a setup that very closely mimicks natural environment. Just pour an inch of water in an unmodified tub of any dimension and watch it perform as advertised with minimal maintenence and effort. A container and some water that's all you need for a perfect fruiting setup for cakes and other small substrates. Results speek for themselves and I never pull stuff out from my butt i always speak from experience, always comparing, carefully observing tweaking, and changing. Always looking to further my understanding of the process. That a different kind of pinion that from someone who recites what other have been saying or hearing the perpertise from someone that once managed to grow 15 tiny mushrooms on his/her cakes. Yes of course it's possible to grow mushrooms inside a ripped up matrass even if you tend to it rigorously but that doesn't at all mean that a ripped up old matrass is supposed to be called an effective mushroom fruiting chamber. Like I said so many thing are self explanatory and enough pics of HC cakes have been posted to erase all previous doubts about its effectiveness and simplicity for the noobs as well and not just for those that could fruit cakes from behind the TV on the floor. This is my point.


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Mateja]
    #26864521 - 08/05/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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In the wild mishrooms don't require spraying 3-6times a day




Now that is some insightful information right there.


Quote:

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I'd like to hear some reasoning behind the extremely low success rate and extremely poor results in vast majority of fort time growers using cakes inside the shotgun




Reasons are things like having bad technique which introduces contams, using less than ideal equipment such as a poorly designed FC, simply not following the tek correctly, ect. I think you're missing the fact that a lot of first time growers just don't succeed in general. I doubt the numbers are any higher with a HC.

You're trying to argue that most first time growers have bad results simply because they choose to use a SGFC? These chambers have been proven to give good results over and over again. You should do an experiment yourself comparing the two and post it here so we can all be on your side.


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Mateja]
    #26864553 - 08/05/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And what's a really big shame on this community if anyone want to hear my opinion on it, is that so many first time cake growers after failed attempts worth the SGFC ultimately in the end get told "cakes aren't worth the hassle just go straight to grain you won't regret it" now this is so sad to read almost daily especially when I realize that this kind of contraproductive propaganda can only result in this community eventually loosing a significant wealth of knowledge about a substantial aspect of cultivation which is the cake growing. Yes there's bulk and there's cake growing, bulk growing is by far the more dominant aspect where there is most knowledge and the art of cake growing is getting more and more lost by the day. If anything that part of the hobby should be more often encouraged instead of dismissed by those that personally don't like to grow cskes so they could care less about learning and discovering new and improved methods.


Well let's just say that I think that advancement in knowledge about bulk growing should be maintained and encouraged and I thing the same should be done for cake growing. Sometimes I wonder what most TC's and passionate growers/posters that care about spreading knowledge think about all this. For example my only concern is that when a new grower posts and needs help figuring out how to get his substrates to fruit, we should never tell him that he chose the wrong substrates to work with and should avoid those in the future. Literally the backwards striving comments of this community are those that discourage new growers from perusing their chosen method just to start all over again and do that thing which "everyone is doing and everyone should do".


I hope most experienced growers can agree with this simple notion, but if calling out political correctness and intellectual dishonestly will get me banned or hated on then it's a very cheap price to pay to keep my integrity as an honest cultivator that simply can not/will not give advice and steer others towards something I knew very little or possibly nothing about. I don't need to copy obvious parroting from respected TCs when I know they mean well. But from now on I wont be quit either and I'm a calm it as I see it so I suggest everyone starts to experiment and test out their own theories more before spewing them out as facts to new learners. Oh I'm definitely butthurt and all that, but if it means I'll help more noobs to raise their success rate then I'm happily ass butthurt as anyone would want me to be :shrug:


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: TheDoobsker]
    #26864570 - 08/05/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you're missing the fact that a lot of first time growers just don't succeed in general. I doubt the numbers are any higher with a HC.



:facepalm:

Maybe you should read the threads that you're commenting on first? Your statememt is ass backwards just like the rest of what you wrote. It doesn't take a genius to understand from your posting how inexperienced you sound and that you're trying to debate a subject with someone that continually experiments and makes comparisons about the very thing which you don't even have experience of. This is the problem with this community, too many growers want to express strong opinions on things that by no means should have any kind of strong opinions about. Please at least read the first 10-20 pages of the HC thread and then look at how your statement is perceived. Be yourself and don't act like you know something you don't, you'll learn it all give it time no one is expert on something without repeated tries, failures, success over and over and over. Until you are in that ball park maybe don't try to school new growers and tell them what's what. Idk. Could be helpful to talk from experience and actually know things


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Mateja]
    #26864626 - 08/05/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Alright. I have 6 cakes total. I'm going to take 3, reroll in verm, and put them in a water tub.

For the remaining 3 cakes in the SGFC, I'm going to run a fan on low 15 ft away to help with air exchange.

Thoughts on this plan? Should I reroll the cakes that I'm keeping in the SGFC?


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: timmage89]
    #26864676 - 08/05/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm actually no longer condoning proven to be ineffective methods to new growers so I can only give you tips on the water Tub. No fans, no fanning no nothing except an inch of water, something to place the cakes on so they're not in contact with water, wet the cakes then roll em in dry verm until fully coated and place them inside the HC. Mist generously about 15-20 squirts of that very fine mist from at least 1m away and then flip the lid upside down slightly ajar on two or three of the corners allowing for a few inches on top exposed to open air, mist whenever you notice that the hundreds of tiny/micro droplets are vanishing from the surface. Look closely cause they may look absent from a distant until you inspect the substrates very closely. You never want to spray the subs which have a perfect micro climate, that will take effort and ultimately mess up what was going to work out perfectly. Should look something like this at all times when you're fruiting cskes.
Don't forget to zoom in the pics to be able to see what I'm describing, the perfect micro climate is often subtle.


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Mateja]
    #26865114 - 08/05/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here goes nothin'...



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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: timmage89]
    #26873162 - 08/10/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We've got some action!





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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: Mateja]
    #26875334 - 08/11/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Should I add\replace the water in the hydrotub?


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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: timmage89]
    #26875376 - 08/11/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

+1 for the Humidity Chamber Tek, I had great success with it and barely misted this cake if at all.



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Re: First Grow, Fuzz Issues [Re: CrashTest]
    #26876420 - 08/12/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nice! Yeah I'm considering moving my 3 other cakes over to the new tub. Things are coming along nicely. Thank you all (especially Mateah) for your insight and help!


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