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Buster_Brown
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What Are We?
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Facets of imperfection that amount to a bump in the road in a time slowed to a pitch that gives them greater meaning and a lasting impact.
What's your take?
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neither perfect nor imperfect, we are variously engaged bipedal investigators, musicians, poets and artists still cleaning up the last party while scheduling the next.
sometimes our families are affected by how we move around, sometimes we are fully independent for a while.
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The categorical placement of bumps might ensure their availability in a universe populated with objects.
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Well, you know who I am, Busty.
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you are thinking of a bumpcyclopedia
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On an abstract level, we are, simultaneously, everything and nothing.
To our own perception, the world is solipsistic, almost non-existent if out of our immediate range of senses. In that sense, we are that which experiences and, perhaps, projects the world directly within our view.
And we are nothing. If we believe that there is a world outside of our immediate perception, then we play an almost imperceptible role in the movement of reality.
On a more realistic level, we are strands in a complex, interconnected, web. When one of us acts, the ripples are felt across the entire structure of reality. Thus, we are individual agents of an indivisible whole. We simply perceive the elements of reality as separate because our vision is narrow.
Just some of my thoughts on the matter.
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Buster_Brown said: Facets of imperfection that amount to a bump in the road in a time slowed to a pitch that gives them greater meaning and a lasting impact.
What's your take?
. If "Reality is What You Can Get Away With" as Robert Anton Wilson said in a title he used, then asking what we are, is sort of amusing. I guess it implies we invent ourselves, which is actually also not a new idea, which although it sounds profound, is not necessarily entirely so; but also not necessarily entirely wrong.
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Buster_Brown
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laughingdog said:
. If "Reality is What You Can Get Away With" as Robert Anton Wilson said in a title he used, then asking what we are, is sort of amusing. I guess it implies we invent ourselves
That cincides with my take on Tom Sawyer being a metaphore.
If Reality comes first and then the Metahore we might conclude that Language itself is a metaphor, an invention. No leap of the imagination in that one.
In this respect we may go so far as to interpret events as metaphors.
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is a metahore like an excellent prostitute?
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Public servants perform for a minimal expected return in my estimation, but perhaps the roles are reversable when the occasion calls for it.
Meta-poor.
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Re: What Are We? [Re: Vylie]
#26871424 - 08/09/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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10010010011101001110011000110010001 => "tæ2" plus 01 we are gibberish now
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Buster_Brown
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Ad a metaphor it may have significance e.g "The woman re-examines her premise, many ducks in city."
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We are a particular species on a particular planet revolving around a particular mass of fire in a particular galaxy of which our own species has observed a minimum of several trillion.
I also think we are cute. So very cute.
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Tulipslave
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Buster_Brown said: Facets of imperfection that amount to a bump in the road in a time slowed to a pitch that gives them greater meaning and a lasting impact.
What's your take?
What are we?
mere happenstance
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Still debating Religion. Was hardcore Atheist growing up, but with Science turning political....Pshycs turn me to God.
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There is no better introduction to religious theory than the multi faceted beliefs of the various sects of Hinduism IMO. Though there is much that is but superstition even there. Less so directly from their holy men. But Yoga and Vedanta is what you might call the science of religion. If you really want to look into it I believe that be where your search is best off starting.
Through understanding Hinduism you can easily understand the truer foundations behind most every religion. I'd say that Hinduism is not really a religion as we think of it in the west but a broader selection of cultural ideas. It's holy men (most recently ramana maharishi) also had the most scientific and rational approach of all religious figures, Viveknanda is also worth checking out for a rationalist introduction to religion.
Vedanta was what Schopenhauer put great stock in. Either way none of this landed India in a good philosophical spot today so the message so the message is certainly very questionable. None the less it makes for an enlightening and interesting reading IMO.
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Buster_Brown said: Facets of imperfection that amount to a bump in the road in a time slowed to a pitch that gives them greater meaning and a lasting impact.
What's your take?
"Nah be truthful all I seen is a whole bag of kids with assorted dreams and bare bad manners and a fucked up bladder cuz they sniffed all their tranq lets applaud them please." - Jam Baxter
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how do you define true if hinduism is truer in any way than all other religions?
did this become ratified by scholars, or hindu pundits, do zoroastrians agree? How about the original Americans?
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Just my opinion dude take it or leave it. Unfortunately I'm pretty well read in terms of religious scripture and figureheads. I certainly have no idea if it's been ratified by scholars and neither do I care.
If you like me to back it up a little more I can probably say that the fact that Hinduism allowed for a wider variety of beliefs without crucifying dissenters is what makes it more appealing to me as an entry point to anyone trying to make head or tail of the world of scripture.
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Right now in India, Modi leads the modern Hindu Nationalist party, which exists primarily as an anti-muslim and xenophobic political platform. This would suggest that Hinduism is not functionally tolerant of other religions in the real world.
in a perfect world it might be more perfect.
I know the whole world is a bit stupid these days with all forms of fundamentalism and fake news, but Modi is relevant in this particular discussion.
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Well I did already put that addendum in my original post. I've been to modern day India and I know in a lot of ways it's a shit hole. But the old Hindu civilisation was one of the great ones IMO and created many many more men who had something close to the power of gods than any other civilisation we have well recorded. The question of where it all lead is certainly something to give one pause.
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We are some form of primeate with absolutely unique consciousness and brain on this planet. We are the kings of the animals, the top of the food pyramid. We are the gods of this planet essentially.
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There are various ways to describe the forms and functions we express, but what are we? I don't know.
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I'll take that as some super clever metaphor
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Re: What Are We? [Re: Rahz]
#26881220 - 08/15/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rahz said: There are various ways to describe the forms and functions we express, but what are we? I don't know. 
Need to define "we" first.
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Buster_Brown
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Quote:
InnerWisdom said:
Need to define "we" first.
An object in the Universe.
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I find buddhism to be
buddha did very good and had it very good and was very good
in terms of these two and that is mostly what life and existence is about he scored
as one of the highest there has been
top class and top tenth of that class on this earth
so as a religioin where you say do this and you will have it as good as possible
and be as good as possible
and do as good as possible
it is meaningful or like when buddha was like this and he understood of one of the highest qualitites it is meaningful
religion is not that useful though but buddhism videos are good
and general outlines of right and wrong how life should be (proper action)
no harm
and things like that
like rules
these things are true
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Ferdinando said:
religion is not that useful though but buddhism videos are good
and general outlines of right and wrong how life should be (proper action)
no harm
and things like that
like rules
these things are true
we might impose rules to be our brother's keeper in our impatience to prevent unpleasantness.
"In the Vinaya (Monastic Discipline) books and Anguttara Nikaya Sutta 8.51, the Buddha said the True Dhamma will last five hundred years. This means it will be pure and unadulterated during this period only." https://sjba.org/dhamma/will-the-real-buddhas-dhamma-please-stand-up/
https://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Writings/CrossIndexed/Published/Meditations7/141129TheTrueDhammaH
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the monastic group's quotation of the Buddha regarding 500 years is unverifiable, and largely optimistic, but truth is what it is, and it keeps being rediscovered and explained in new vernaculars all along the way.
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redgreenvines said: the monastic group's quotation of the Buddha regarding 500 years is unverifiable, and largely optimistic, but truth is what it is, and it keeps being rediscovered and explained in new vernaculars all along the way.
By the same token a verse asserting water being transformed into wine is unverifiable as truth. How is a lucid dream verified? By popular vote? Is vernacular Buddhism or the miracles of Jesus true simply because people want them to be true?
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mostly wish fulfillment in a perfect world... etc.
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I believe in Spiritual possession and in Higher intelligences. Perhaps they will be so kind as to enable Ferdinando to give us a demonstration of the Buddha Power.
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Are we not what we do?
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Buster_Brown
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The analogy of a computer suggests that they are the programming. But we know they are more than that.
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deathlyoctopusman said: Are we not what we do?
yes, but also our history is us
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“Q.= WHO AM I? WHO ARE YOU?
U.G = You are what you are doing RIGHT NOW!”
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