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earthchild98
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FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface?
#26863683 - 08/05/20 12:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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First grow I’m pretty happy with it. Just wish more of the substrate would be used anyone know how to get more pins across the whole surface of substrate instead of just clustered in spots?
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: earthchild98]
#26863740 - 08/05/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am no expert, but it seems that's just how the cookie crumbles. Might want to look into making a casing layer 
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Casing
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Bloob]
#26863768 - 08/05/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's just how shrooms be like.
More serious answer, if you used a spore syringe then you have a huge variety of genetics at play, meaning seemingly random fruit production. If you want more uniform growth you need to start the long process of selecting and cloning viable fruits using agar.
Dialing in surface conditions will also be part of the process.
Enjoy the journey bro!
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Zakkery]
#26863769 - 08/05/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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improving surface conditions will yield better pinsets, along with a good solid culture and clean spawn.
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Ziran]
#26863914 - 08/05/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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yup yup all about them surface conditions😃😃👍
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: jcm4620]
#26863919 - 08/05/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shred those cakes to bulk
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: CrashTest]
#26864020 - 08/05/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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cakes to bulk is not a very good method tho. if ur gnna go with a bulk grow u really should use a grain that has been knocked up via agar wedge
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: jcm4620]
#26864072 - 08/05/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: cakes to bulk is not a very good method tho. if ur gnna go with a bulk grow u really should use a grain that has been knocked up via agar wedge
Not the best method sure, but if you have BRF cakes and want *a more even/consistent pinset* then increasing surface area is your best bet
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Edited by CrashTest (08/05/20 09:20 AM)
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: CrashTest]
#26864084 - 08/05/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: cakes to bulk is not a very good method tho. if ur gnna go with a bulk grow u really should use a grain that has been knocked up via agar wedge
Not the best method sure, but if you have BRF cakes and want more yield then increasing surface area is your best bet
Why? In my mind it’s not about surface area, and more about access to water. If you bottom water cakes you can see markedly bigger yields without the risk of a buried contam in one of the cakes ruining the entire grow.
This bottle grow has extremely limited fruiting area and yet, still puts out a big yield relative to the surface area.

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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26864092 - 08/05/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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CrashTest said:
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jcm4620 said: cakes to bulk is not a very good method tho. if ur gnna go with a bulk grow u really should use a grain that has been knocked up via agar wedge
Not the best method sure, but if you have BRF cakes and want more yield then increasing surface area is your best bet
Why? In my mind it’s not about surface area, and more about access to water. If you bottom water cakes you can see markedly bigger yields without the risk of a buried contam in one of the cakes ruining the entire grow.
It is just a suggestion either way, he can do what he wants. I’m shredding BRF cakes to cvg in tiny monotubs (1/2 pint spawn to 1.5pint cvg in a 5L tub) and with one cake per tub it’s essentially the same thing / not losing more than one cake if a tub gets contaminated. I was getting consistent 1 oz wet from BRF cakes so if I see more yield this way I will know it was successful (for me).
My PC arrives Thursday so that’s the last piece I’m waiting for to start agar
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26864099 - 08/05/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Casings helped me get more even pinsets. Not a larger yield specifically, but more evenly distrubuted and closer to the same size. Besides that it'll just be about cloning nice clusters, you'll eventually get one with a wicked pinset.
Dang Muda, that's a beautiful bottle tek. It looks like 100%+ BE was achieved from my guess. I oughta start doing that with my excess grain masters.
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Rapjack]
#26864113 - 08/05/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rapjack said: Casings helped me get more even pinsets. Not a larger yield specifically, but more evenly distrubuted and closer to the same size. Besides that it'll just be about cloning nice clusters, you'll eventually get one with a wicked pinset.
Pretty much what I was saying, OP wants more pins across the surface and spawning to bulk could assist with more even pinsets, I should have said more even pinset not necessarily more yield
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Rapjack]
#26864136 - 08/05/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rapjack said: Casings helped me get more even pinsets. Not a larger yield specifically, but more evenly distrubuted and closer to the same size. Besides that it'll just be about cloning nice clusters, you'll eventually get one with a wicked pinset.
Dang Muda, that's a beautiful bottle tek. It looks like 100%+ BE was achieved from my guess. I oughta start doing that with my excess grain masters.
Muda passed away a couple of years ago. RIP
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26864155 - 08/05/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rapjack said: Casings helped me get more even pinsets. Not a larger yield specifically, but more evenly distrubuted and closer to the same size. Besides that it'll just be about cloning nice clusters, you'll eventually get one with a wicked pinset.
Dang Muda, that's a beautiful bottle tek. It looks like 100%+ BE was achieved from my guess. I oughta start doing that with my excess grain masters.
Muda passed away a couple of years ago. RIP 
Oh shit I'm sorry Pasty. I associate bottle tek with Muda so much that the name just came out unconsciously. He was always super helpful and active when I signed up in 2017. Rest in Power Muda.
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26864165 - 08/05/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’ve never seen BRF cakes covered in pins, they will cluster in spots and a few singles grow here and there.
If you want to move to more serious growing I’d check out https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998/fpart/1/vc/1 and anything else you need to understand agar and how to use it. Then buy some millet or WBS and prep like so https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8508523 once your agar is colonized and clean.
Then inoculate yo grain jars like this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22833314 - they should be ready in 10-14 days.
And finally make some shoe boxes like this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662 - once spawned they should be colonized in a week or so, knots and pins around 10 days and mushrooms shortly after.
This has been my method since I got back into cult and it’s quick and effective. 
It might seem daunting but once you have read and done these things (Plenty of time to understand and ask questions between stages) it’s really simple. That’s my personal recipe for success so far.
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26864488 - 08/05/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can second that shoeboxes are especially noob-friendly, and a great way to learn about managing surface conditions.
Those boxes look awesome, Roger! Thanks for sharing the links.
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26864512 - 08/05/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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what size are those shoeboxes?
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Re: FIRST GROW. How to get more pins across entire substrate surface? [Re: tgriff02]
#26865496 - 08/05/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Power rangers it looks like one of the 3 lil pigs in black’s face mask.
Thanks Red. They are the 6qt sterilite type. My favorite for sure.
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