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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: feevers]
    #26865569 - 08/05/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm still stunned that people who expect to be taken seriously quote Wikipedia.

Let's walk through it.

1.) Most people agree that most people are idiots.

2.) Wikipedia is polling results on what most people think on a subject, written in encyclopedia format.

3.) There is no 3, 1 & 2 cover it perfectly well.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: rantmakes]
    #26865583 - 08/05/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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HamHead said:
But what you're telling me is I shouldn't listen to these articles and listen to those who say a neurotoxin is safe to drink on a daily basis, multiple times per day.




Well, that's exactly how guidelines are determined.  The toxicity limits for various environmental exposures are based on daily consumption by "average" individuals over a period of a "lifetime" (approximately 70 years).  So to drink 5 ppm benzene contaminated water is fine, unless you do everyday for a lifetime.




:justno:

A "lifetime" you say?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

"Choi and senior author Philippe Grandjean, adjunct professor of environmental health at HSPH, and their colleagues collated the epidemiological studies of children exposed to fluoride from drinking water. The China National Knowledge Infrastructure database also was included to locate studies published in Chinese journals. They then analyzed possible associations with IQ measures in more than 8,000 children of school age; all but one study suggested that high fluoride content in water may negatively affect cognitive development."

School age is a fairly short "lifetime" to be experiencing "cognitive development".

Oh, can't forget those 9 additional months of development when a mother drinks tap water. Could be considered a crucial development period.

:shrug:

I'm too stupid to tell. My mom must have drank tap water.

:justfuck:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead]
    #26865600 - 08/05/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

rantmakes said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
But what you're telling me is I shouldn't listen to these articles and listen to those who say a neurotoxin is safe to drink on a daily basis, multiple times per day.




Well, that's exactly how guidelines are determined.  The toxicity limits for various environmental exposures are based on daily consumption by "average" individuals over a period of a "lifetime" (approximately 70 years).  So to drink 5 ppm benzene contaminated water is fine, unless you do everyday for a lifetime.




:justno:

A "lifetime" you say?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

"Choi and senior author Philippe Grandjean, adjunct professor of environmental health at HSPH, and their colleagues collated the epidemiological studies of children exposed to fluoride from drinking water. The China National Knowledge Infrastructure database also was included to locate studies published in Chinese journals. They then analyzed possible associations with IQ measures in more than 8,000 children of school age; all but one study suggested that high fluoride content in water may negatively affect cognitive development."

School age is a fairly short "lifetime" to be experiencing "cognitive development".

Oh, can't forget those 9 additional months of development when a mother drinks tap water. Could be considered a crucial development period.

:shrug:

I'm too stupid to tell. My mom must have drank tap water.

:justfuck:




Please post links of peer reviewed or otherwise regulated data for fluoride toxicity concentrations in drinking water. As a kid I took chewable fluoride tablets in addition to using fluoride toothpaste with fluoride dosed tapwater and I turned out just fine.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Srirachi] * 2
    #26865653 - 08/05/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Srirachi said:
I'm still stunned that people who expect to be taken seriously quote Wikipedia.




I'd say it depends on the article and what, specifically, is being quoted. Wikipedia has a trail of citations you can follow, so you can always compare what's written in the article to another source (and if you can't, then that's a red flag).

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Srirachi said:
1.) Most people agree that most people are idiots.




I don't think that's true, though...


Quote:

Srirachi said:
2.) Wikipedia is polling results on what most people think on a subject, written in encyclopedia format.




It's a community-edited encyclopedia, not a poll.

I'm not arguing that Wikipedia is a perfect resource. It's not. It's a useful research tool, and it has its own advantages and disadvantages. I'd say the main advantages are the sheer volume of subjects, the searchability, and the hypertext format, which allows you to follow trails of links to other articles and sources cited. I think the main disadvantage is that the community-edited approach sometimes, unfortunately, allows for people with legitimate contributions to be silenced by the community and for people with bogus contributions to be published. This disadvantage isn't enough to discredit the entire website, though, is it?


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26865852 - 08/06/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think we more or less agree then. I don't understand why people who want to be taken seriously post a source that is more or less right most of the time, on some subjects. The "opinion poll" statement was of course using a literary device, over-simplification and simile so maybe 2 actually, to highlight a flaw in the subject. It still seems rather a valid statement to me.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Srirachi] * 1
    #26866023 - 08/06/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Summaries are usually full of fluff to get the study published, go to the publisher, they offer the methodology and conditions as an add-on PDF for free.  Go hog wild from there, though I doubt any specific person has the tools to reconstruct the study.  This is why science lies in pear review... people who work in the same field, who can look at the raw data and draw appropriate conclusions.  Many studies attempt to draw conclusions not supported my the evidence the researchers themselves supplied.  Product of of publish or perish mentality.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #26866054 - 08/06/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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This is why science lies in pear review





:lolwut:


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #26866056 - 08/06/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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This is why science lies in pear review...





Ohhh reeeaaaaly?
I didn't know they did this for scientific purposes. How does that work exactly? What kind of pears do they use? Is only a pear reviewed article the be all end all to any study done?:confused:


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Asante]
    #26866057 - 08/06/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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This is why science lies in pear review





:lolwut:



HA!
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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26866102 - 08/06/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: feevers]
    #26866105 - 08/06/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

YES!:laugh:
We also get french benefits?


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26866153 - 08/06/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Pears are the wisest creatures on on earth.  Known fact, it's even peer reviewed :rofl2:

You all are missing something from another thread by OP I posted in.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Ice9]
    #26866282 - 08/06/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

HamHead, I'm getting concerned about how far up your ass your head appears to be stuck. if you leave it there for too long, your bowels will perforate


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26866483 - 08/06/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If that were true, you'd have posted something that might reach him rather than something to affirm your own superior viewpoint.

Just say what you mean.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Srirachi] * 1
    #26866724 - 08/06/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You havent been paying attention. I tried cor months, via both posts and pms, to be patient with him.


It is pointless. He doesnt listen. He has his head stuck up his own ass. Im tired of trying to educate someone who isnt willing to be educated


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: morrowasted]
    #26866746 - 08/06/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You havent been paying attention. I tried cor months, via both posts and pms, to be patient with him.


It is pointless. He doesnt listen. He has his head stuck up his own ass. Im tired of trying to educate someone who isnt willing to be educated




I haven't been paying attention.

Did you say something?

Of any relevance? Like, at all recently?

And it's really funny you are saying I have my head in my ass, while you're claiming to know better than me, and everyone else on this board.

So, why don't you take your own head and remove it from your rectum. See what I did there?

It's a rectum, not an ass.

Also, I'm regular. Are you, working such stressful hours?

When's the last time you took a shit, morrowasted?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead]
    #26866874 - 08/06/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You aren't smart enough to do your own research, we know this, from at least two leading indicators. The first being, you haven't published any research of your own. The second, you aren't even honest about the research you present to your peers here.

From the Impact of Fluoride article;

Quote:

Fluoride is a naturally occurring substance in groundwater, and exposures to the chemical are increased in some parts of China.




"naturally occurring"

"increased in some parts of China"

From the study Developmental Fluoride Neurotoxicity (linked to from your article);

Quote:

Objective: We performed a systematic review and meta-analysis of published studies to investigate the effects of increased fluoride exposure and delayed neurobehavioral development.




"increased fluoride exposure"

Notice how it doesn't say fluoride from average intake? Also, note that natural ground water contains fluoride. AKA, all the hillbillies pulling water from a well or spring are getting fluoride too, however, the study compared places where ground water contained normal amounts to areas with high amounts, meaning amounts not usually consumed without geographical exceptions. Nowhere does the study talk about water that has been purified or where water has added fluoride.

They go on;

Quote:

In total, we identified 27 eligible epidemiological studies with high and reference exposures,




In other words, those with high exposures faired worse than those with normal exposures. No where does it say that you should avoid fluoride all together.

Your ability to either be intentionally dishonest  or willfully ignorant is case and point. The article you linked to in post one really is an exciting bit of projection on your part.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: christopera]
    #26866904 - 08/06/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26866906 - 08/06/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You havent been paying attention. I tried cor months, via both posts and pms, to be patient with him.


It is pointless. He doesnt listen. He has his head stuck up his own ass. Im tired of trying to educate someone who isnt willing to be educated




HamHead is far more open minded than many prolific posters on this forum.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26866945 - 08/06/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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HamHead said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
You havent been paying attention. I tried cor months, via both posts and pms, to be patient with him.


It is pointless. He doesnt listen. He has his head stuck up his own ass. Im tired of trying to educate someone who isnt willing to be educated




I haven't been paying attention.

Did you say something?

Of any relevance? Like, at all recently?

And it's really funny you are saying I have my head in my ass, while you're claiming to know better than me, and everyone else on this board.

So, why don't you take your own head and remove it from your rectum. See what I did there?

It's a rectum, not an ass.

Also, I'm regular. Are you, working such stressful hours?

When's the last time you took a shit, morrowasted?



I do know better than you.

Ive been wrong, specifically about covid. For example, I suspected it wouldnt be a major problem in hot and humid places. Koods challenged me on this. I turned out to be wrong. I admitted I was wrong. Coincidentally, I not only know I was wrong based on the official stats, but also based on the nature of my work.

What separates us- besides years of relevant education and experience- is that you never cop to it when youre wrong- even when it is easily demonstrable. You quoted an article about hcq recently in order to defend its use that specifically stated not to use it for prophylaxis. You then proceeded to state you think it ought to be used for prophylaxis. The part where it said not to use it for prophylaxis wasnt even buried in the body of the text, it was IN THE PART YOU COPIED AND PASTED. You do not even understand the material you use to try to defend your positions. You do not own up to it when we show you why what you say doesnt make sense. The fact that you appear to feel zero shame about this makes me suspect some kind personality disorder is in play. I am sorry you have this problem. I also have pitiable problems that make it difficult for me to deal effectively with truths I understand about myself, but being incapable of recognizing when I am wrong isnt one of them, which puts me in a better position to understand truths about things outside of me.

You tried to take an antivax position via PM recently, and when you realized you hadnt read my post thoroughly, you simply decided to abandon the conversation.



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