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Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research
    #26862993 - 08/04/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/

morrowasted, do you write for Forbes in your spare time?

"“Research both sides and make up your own mind.” It’s simple, straightforward, common sense advice. And when it comes to issues like vaccinations, climate change, and the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, it can be dangerous, destructive, and even deadly. The techniques that most of us use to navigate most of our decisions in life — gathering information, evaluating it based on what we know, and choosing a course of action — can lead to spectacular failures when it comes to a scientific matter.

The reason is simple: most of us, even those of us who are scientists ourselves, lack the relevant scientific expertise needed to adequately evaluate that research on our own.

Let’s start with a simple, low-stakes example: fluoridated drinking water."

Don't research fluoride. It reduces IQ.

:ytho:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 5
    #26863000 - 08/04/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I really wonder if you're aware of how terribly, utterly, awfully boring you're being right now?


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26863053 - 08/04/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
I really wonder if you're aware of how terribly, utterly, awfully boring you're being right now?




Oh jsb, I see you're rustling your jimmie again.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2020/07/31/coronavirus-surface-disinfectants/

"Generally, higher temperatures or humidity would enable coronaviruses to last longer."

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/av/2011/734690/

"Published
01 Oct 2011
Abstract
The main route of transmission of SARS CoV infection is presumed to be respiratory droplets. However the virus is also detectable in other body fluids and excreta. The stability of the virus at different temperatures and relative humidity on smooth surfaces were studied. The dried virus on smooth surfaces retained its viability for over 5 days at temperatures of 22–25°C and relative humidity of 40–50%, that is, typical air-conditioned environments. However, virus viability was rapidly lost (>3 log10) at higher temperatures and higher relative humidity (e.g., 38°C, and relative humidity of >95%). The better stability of SARS coronavirus at low temperature and low humidity environment may facilitate its transmission in community in subtropical area (such as Hong Kong) during the spring and in air-conditioned environments. It may also explain why some Asian countries in tropical area (such as Malaysia, Indonesia or Thailand) with high temperature and high relative humidity environment did not have major community outbreaks of SARS."

:dafuq:

Forbes, I think you might want to actually research this stuff.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26863085 - 08/04/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Grad school for me was an exercise in getting my ass handed to me on every paper I wrote right through my Master’s thesis. This is why I didn’t go for my PHD. I was tired of it. Getting my ass handed to me was however the point of attending, so that I could grow and evolve intellectually.

It gave me a pretty good feel for knocking out research. The problem with modern society’s inability to research (which is obviously very real) is that our science has progressed far beyond “common sense” and well into the abstract. So researching science even if written about in a news paper is likely to provide a wide variety of false statements or simplifications. And that means the picture is partial at best for those who aren’t experts, so people are forced to live on 8th grade science and language.

We however need to rely on experts more than ever as a result, there are very few people capable of parsing information on a wide enough breadth to understand the modern world. That’s why your HCQ thread is a such a piece of junk


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: christopera] * 4
    #26863209 - 08/04/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Something that isn't taught in schools from a young age, but should be, is critical thinking. It's increasingly less of a common skill as the years go by.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: christopera]
    #26863226 - 08/04/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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christopera said:
We however need to rely on experts more than ever as a result, there are very few people capable of parsing information on a wide enough breadth to understand the modern world. That’s why your HCQ thread is a such a piece of junk




https://www.thenationalsentinel.com/2020/07/30/revealed-yale-epidemiologist-says-fauci-running-misinformation-campaign-against-hydroxychloroquine-in-treatment-of-covid-19/

So, this Yale epidemiologist is not an expert?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/huge-development-51-global-studies-find-hcq-effective-treating-covid-19-16-find-hcq-not-effective-10-late-treatment-studies/

"There are over 70 global studies listed on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus.

51 of the global studies showed positive results.
16 of the global studies showed negative results — but 10 of those studies were late stage cases of coronavirus."


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26863237 - 08/04/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm smart enough to realize how stupid I am.

People are not taught how to research and generally by the time they're well into adulthood they barely remember 8th grade science.


I remember learning about the basics of electricity, AC DC, that kinda thing, but fuck if I remember it.

Research requires being honest with yourself and understanding that 90% of what you read wants to manipulate your conclusions. People are too prone to cognitive bias.

And that includes scientists. They're paid to be that way. The consumers are that way. Publishers sell that way.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26863241 - 08/04/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

christopera said:
We however need to rely on experts more than ever as a result, there are very few people capable of parsing information on a wide enough breadth to understand the modern world. That’s why your HCQ thread is a such a piece of junk




https://www.thenationalsentinel.com/2020/07/30/revealed-yale-epidemiologist-says-fauci-running-misinformation-campaign-against-hydroxychloroquine-in-treatment-of-covid-19/

So, this Yale epidemiologist is not an expert?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/huge-development-51-global-studies-find-hcq-effective-treating-covid-19-16-find-hcq-not-effective-10-late-treatment-studies/

"There are over 70 global studies listed on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus.

51 of the global studies showed positive results.
16 of the global studies showed negative results — but 10 of those studies were late stage cases of coronavirus."




Take it over to your HCQ thread so I can continue to ignore it.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26863248 - 08/04/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

christopera said:
We however need to rely on experts more than ever as a result, there are very few people capable of parsing information on a wide enough breadth to understand the modern world. That’s why your HCQ thread is a such a piece of junk




https://www.thenationalsentinel.com/2020/07/30/revealed-yale-epidemiologist-says-fauci-running-misinformation-campaign-against-hydroxychloroquine-in-treatment-of-covid-19/

So, this Yale epidemiologist is not an expert?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/huge-development-51-global-studies-find-hcq-effective-treating-covid-19-16-find-hcq-not-effective-10-late-treatment-studies/

"There are over 70 global studies listed on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus.

51 of the global studies showed positive results.
16 of the global studies showed negative results — but 10 of those studies were late stage cases of coronavirus."



The national sentinel is a trump fan club and a google search of your other source shows this:

"The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes."


I think I'm starting to understand your thinking, you appear to go out of your way to gain knowledge from the dumbest possible sources


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: feevers]
    #26863499 - 08/04/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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feevers said:
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Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

christopera said:
We however need to rely on experts more than ever as a result, there are very few people capable of parsing information on a wide enough breadth to understand the modern world. That’s why your HCQ thread is a such a piece of junk




https://www.thenationalsentinel.com/2020/07/30/revealed-yale-epidemiologist-says-fauci-running-misinformation-campaign-against-hydroxychloroquine-in-treatment-of-covid-19/

So, this Yale epidemiologist is not an expert?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/huge-development-51-global-studies-find-hcq-effective-treating-covid-19-16-find-hcq-not-effective-10-late-treatment-studies/

"There are over 70 global studies listed on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus.

51 of the global studies showed positive results.
16 of the global studies showed negative results — but 10 of those studies were late stage cases of coronavirus."



The national sentinel is a trump fan club and a google search of your other source shows this:

"The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes."


I think I'm starting to understand your thinking, you appear to go out of your way to gain knowledge from the dumbest possible sources




So, are you saying you support far left ideology before far right?

I'm not so sure about the destruction of some democratic cities during some of the so called peaceful protest, which evolve into riots that I have seen buildings burned, businesses looted, humans beaten on both sides and government courthouses and government buildings being targeted with marches.

But, you can't open your restaurant to full capacity, because there's a pandemic with a death rate that's comparable with influenza.

And Fauci has said this himself. Fauci has compared Covid19 to influenza.

Did we all forget that?

Did we all forget that we were told, the general american public shouldn't be walking around wearing mask.



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead]
    #26863655 - 08/04/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think liberalism just became an official religion.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26863678 - 08/05/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Don't research fluoride. It reduces IQ.





If you really drew this conclusion from reading that article, then I think you completely missed the point, Ham.

The article wasn't telling you to not research fluoride. It was just telling you that, as someone who isn't an expert in the field, you should be skeptical not only of the sources you read from, but also skeptical of your own critical reasoning faculties. This applies even if you are a smart person with good critical reasoning skills, or even if you are a scientist yourself with expertise in some other field.

From the article:
Quote:


Even those of us with excellent critical thinking skills and lots of experience trying to dig up the truth behind a variety of claims are lacking one important asset: the scientific expertise necessary to understand any finds or claims in the context of the full state of knowledge of your field.




This new wave of anti-intellectualism that is sweeping the nation right now is starting to rub me the wrong way. It's like we can't believe the words of experts anymore because we place a higher value on "seeing both sides" than we do on someone else's years and years of dedicated study in a specialized field.

It's good to be skeptical, and it's good to doubt things - that's a sign of a healthy, critical mind. However, doubt can only take you so far before it starts to take away more than it gives back to you. Here's a quote from the developers of one of my favorite video games:

Quote:


They say "doubt everything," but I disagree. Doubt is useful in small amounts, but too much of it leads to apathy and confusion. No, don't doubt everything. QUESTION everything. That's the real trick. Doubt is just a lack of certainty. If you doubt everything, you'll doubt evolution, science, faith, morality, even reality itself - and you'll end up with nothing, because doubt doesn't give anything back. But questions have answers, you see. If you question everything, you'll find that a lot of what we believe is untrue… but you might also discover that some things ARE true. You might discover what your own beliefs are. And then you'll question them again, and again, eliminating flaws, discovering lies, until you get as close to the truth as you can.

Questioning is a lifelong process. That's precisely what makes it so unlike doubt. Questioning engages with reality, interrogating all it sees. Questioning leads to a constant assault on the intellectual status quo, where doubt is far more likely to lead to resigned acceptance. After all, when the possibility of truth is doubtful (excuse the pun), why not simply play along with the most convenient lie?

Questioning is progress, but doubt is stagnation.





I think you're placing too much doubt in expert epidemiologists when it comes to COVID-19, and I think that you would find that if you investigate their positions and hear them out rather than simply doubting and dismissing them outright, you might find that you are closer to the truth. In the spirit of the quote I mentioned above, I think you are playing along with the most convenient lie, which is that this is all just some big political hoax to force everyone into getting vaccinated or something like that. I think that's incredibly unlikely, and I think you'd see that if you weren't so quick to dismiss the opinions of scientific experts. I think it's far more likely that these expert epidemiologists, who are criticizing HQC, recommending masks, and expressing other opinions that you disagree with, are speaking from a well-researched position that you just aren't standing in. You are not an expert epidemiologist (unless you're hiding credentials from us, but I won't ask you to dox yourself), and I think you're placing so much value in your own ability to think critically about what you read that you're overlooking the fact that some people are vastly more knowledgeable in the field of epidemiology than you are.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #26863789 - 08/05/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This article is spot on.

The number of experts in clinical trial design and data interpretation has skyrocketed since COVID.  Apparently COVID makes you smarter.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: badchad]
    #26863792 - 08/05/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Forbes all so said this virus is lab made. Source former head of mi6.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26863797 - 08/05/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Nonagon Infinity said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
Don't research fluoride. It reduces IQ.





If you really drew this conclusion from reading that article, then I think you completely missed the point, Ham.

The article wasn't telling you to not research fluoride. It was just telling you that, as someone who isn't an expert in the field, you should be skeptical not only of the sources you read from, but also skeptical of your own critical reasoning faculties. This applies even if you are a smart person with good critical reasoning skills, or even if you are a scientist yourself with expertise in some other field.

From the article:
Quote:


Even those of us with excellent critical thinking skills and lots of experience trying to dig up the truth behind a variety of claims are lacking one important asset: the scientific expertise necessary to understand any finds or claims in the context of the full state of knowledge of your field.




This new wave of anti-intellectualism that is sweeping the nation right now is starting to rub me the wrong way. It's like we can't believe the words of experts anymore because we place a higher value on "seeing both sides" than we do on someone else's years and years of dedicated study in a specialized field.

It's good to be skeptical, and it's good to doubt things - that's a sign of a healthy, critical mind. However, doubt can only take you so far before it starts to take away more than it gives back to you. Here's a quote from the developers of one of my favorite video games:

Quote:


They say "doubt everything," but I disagree. Doubt is useful in small amounts, but too much of it leads to apathy and confusion. No, don't doubt everything. QUESTION everything. That's the real trick. Doubt is just a lack of certainty. If you doubt everything, you'll doubt evolution, science, faith, morality, even reality itself - and you'll end up with nothing, because doubt doesn't give anything back. But questions have answers, you see. If you question everything, you'll find that a lot of what we believe is untrue… but you might also discover that some things ARE true. You might discover what your own beliefs are. And then you'll question them again, and again, eliminating flaws, discovering lies, until you get as close to the truth as you can.

Questioning is a lifelong process. That's precisely what makes it so unlike doubt. Questioning engages with reality, interrogating all it sees. Questioning leads to a constant assault on the intellectual status quo, where doubt is far more likely to lead to resigned acceptance. After all, when the possibility of truth is doubtful (excuse the pun), why not simply play along with the most convenient lie?

Questioning is progress, but doubt is stagnation.





I think you're placing too much doubt in expert epidemiologists when it comes to COVID-19, and I think that you would find that if you investigate their positions and hear them out rather than simply doubting and dismissing them outright, you might find that you are closer to the truth. In the spirit of the quote I mentioned above, I think you are playing along with the most convenient lie, which is that this is all just some big political hoax to force everyone into getting vaccinated or something like that. I think that's incredibly unlikely, and I think you'd see that if you weren't so quick to dismiss the opinions of scientific experts. I think it's far more likely that these expert epidemiologists, who are criticizing HQC, recommending masks, and expressing other opinions that you disagree with, are speaking from a well-researched position that you just aren't standing in. You are not an expert epidemiologist (unless you're hiding credentials from us, but I won't ask you to dox yourself), and I think you're placing so much value in your own ability to think critically about what you read that you're overlooking the fact that some people are vastly more knowledgeable in the field of epidemiology than you are.




https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children
July 25, 2012 — For years health experts have been unable to agree on whether fluoride in the drinking water may be toxic to the developing human brain. Extremely high levels of fluoride are known to cause neurotoxicity in adults, and negative impacts on memory and learning have been reported in rodent studies, but little is known about the substance’s impact on children’s neurodevelopment. In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted."

Nah, don't listen to Harvard.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5285601/

"Conclusion:
It is concluded that IQ level was negatively correlated with fluoride level in drinking water. Factors that might affect children's IQ need to be considered, and it is necessary to devise solutions for preventing the harmful effects of excessive intake of fluoride ion to the body."

Now, I don't know abouty you, but I don't have any problem reading "factors that might affect children's IQ need to be considered."

I'll do another.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/obgyn/pregnancy/81672

Higher fluoride intake during pregnancy was associated with lower IQ scores in boys, a Canadian study found.

"Among 512 mother-child pairs, each 1-mg/L increase in maternal urinary fluoride concentration was associated with a decrease of 4.49 (95% CI -8.4 to -0.6) Full Scale IQ points for boys at 3 to 4 years after adjusting for demographic and quality-of-home variables, reported Christine Till, PhD, of York University in Toronto, and colleagues."

I can go on.

But what you're telling me is I shouldn't listen to these articles and listen to those who say a neurotoxin is safe to drink on a daily basis, multiple times per day.

:whateveryousayfreak:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26863811 - 08/05/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I am definitely not an anti-vaxxer, but consider this.

Autism rates were climbing and linked by a "now disproven" study to vaccines. So, in 2004, they stopped putting the preservative in vaccines that had been suspected of contributing to the climbing rates. The preservative was replaced with a different one.

Now, autism rates are climbing even faster than before. Many "experts" have said this is proof that the original preservative was not contributing to autism rates.

No one seems to consider, due in large part to confirmation bias, that what the data really supports is "the new preservative is equal in toxicity, or even more toxic, than the previous previous one."

Again, these are the experts making this massive failure in logic. This, and not politics or anything else, is why I don't trust "experts" at all. Too many of them have an agenda, usually THEIR politics is at play, and the HCQ study is another perfect example.

There was a REASON the one lab would not turn over their data. HIPPA? Give me a damn break. They're the only lab in the world who can't figure out how to blind their data then. Should I trust a lab that can't perform the same basic tasks all the others did, or at least foresee their inability to participate before being part of a study?

I am certainly not more of a virologist than a real virologist, or more of a doctor than a doctor - but I am certainly capable of deciding if one and one are two, which is all it really takes to use critical thinking skills. Too many people today read an article in a popular culture magazine, or hear on the news, some scientist - and they immediately associate this individual's viewpoint with "the entirety of modern scientific thought in the field" without ever considering where the funding for a study came from. Without considering what boards the researcher sits on or what stocks he or she may own. However these same people often consider all these things in their arguments against, say, Donald Trump.

Any scientist who says "You need to take this, but I can't explain why" doesn't understand it well enough to be making my decisions for me. If you can't explain it, you don't understand it. That wasn't my idea, that was Stephen Hawking who said that.

Remember lefties, John Lewis's funeral cannot give you covid, but a Trump rally most certainly killed Herman Cain. Dr. Fauci was unwilling to even answer the question "should the Government ban the [BLM] protests" but has warned that Trump rallies will give you Covid.

I don't need to match credentials against experts to be able to detect their bias and reject, or demand more information to support, their positions.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Srirachi]
    #26863818 - 08/05/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fluoride in toothpastes is not helping on that.
I see more dreams after changing out of that.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26863826 - 08/05/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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But what you're telling me is I shouldn't listen to these articles and listen to those who say a neurotoxin is safe to drink on a daily basis, multiple times per day.

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No.  What the Forbes article is saying is that these types of research articles are nuanced.  Just looking at the first article: 
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

What were the inclusion/exclusion criteria for the meta analysis? More importantly, what was the dose of flouride across the studies?  What were the primary outcome measures?  What are the actual consequences of a 7 point IQ drop?  How does these results differ from metaanalyses of industrialized countries?

These are very basic questions that need to be considered before thinking "OMG THIS PERSON IS AN EXPERT IT MUST BE TRUE."

It's an emerging problem with access to information.  Uneducated individuals don't know what they don't know.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: badchad] * 1
    #26863829 - 08/05/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

According to the Forbes article, you're not smart enough to ask that.


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Re: Forbes says you're not smart enough to do your own research [Re: Srirachi]
    #26863833 - 08/05/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well guys idk about you, but I’m gonna need an expert to tell me wtf this article was about. What is being smart?  Am I an expert?  I need an expert to tell me. Then I can either confidently think like an expert or if I’m not an expert it’s probably better to just stop thinking.


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