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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: qman]
    #26862430 - 08/04/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It's boggles my mind to think that there are people that actually still believe the Rs and Ds are in opposition to each other.



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He prefers bending over for the autocratic ones, and seems hostile to the democracies.



What do you mean by "hostile"?  Maybe I'm not watching enough news these days.  :shrug:




I don't have all the facts in line to write a coherent essay, but here's some ideas I'm throwing around.

I'm thinking about Germany and all of our other allies. I think Putin is playing Trump like a fiddle and Russia will benefit from our missteps. Trump admires Putin, which I guess is understandable, because Putin is better at his job.  Trump is basing foreign policy on his personality conflict with Angela Merkel, and our massive trade imbalance with Germany which underscores his failures. This is not a certainty, but Trump has indicated that the troops he's pulling from Germany are going to Poland, and not for strategic reasons, but because they said they would pay more for them. He's treating this like a business deal, and he doesn't realize he's not good at business.



He also has a bad relationship with the UK, our most important military ally.  China is obviously in ascendency and Trump has not acted like our allies are vital to our future.




LOL, Trump doesn't have the power to make those decisions.




Yes he does.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26862575 - 08/04/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You really think Trump can move US troops around the world according to his own discretion?  No, the US military and its strategic tactics aren't dictated by a former TV reality star. The world doesn't work in that fashion. Stop buying into the headline news propaganda. Commander in Chief isn't to be taken literally. :lol:

Let me guess, when senile Biden is elected, he's going to be allowed to send US troops to Antarctica.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: qman]
    #26862577 - 08/04/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

We’re moving 12,000 out of Germany on his whim

I know it’s unbelievable that a bunch of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, drug addled alcoholic rednecks can elect a moronic carnival barker as president and he can then play tiddlywinks with American forces, but that is the case.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26862800 - 08/04/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-wants-pull-all-troops-out-afghanistan-2020-election-n1038651

He's been promising for 5 years, yet nothing.  He's not allowed to do it.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Enlil]
    #26862863 - 08/04/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Tariffs on steel from Canada and European countries seems a bit hostile to me.



I recall a discussion where Trump wanted Tariffs on the EU to be as high as they impose on us.  For example, the US had a 2.5 percent tariff on European auto imports, while the European Union had a 10 percent duty on US imports.  :shrug:


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26862870 - 08/04/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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He prefers bending over for the autocratic ones, and seems hostile to the democracies.



What do you mean by "hostile"?  Maybe I'm not watching enough news these days.  :shrug:



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Trump has yet to say anything about the former marine who was convicted to a decade in prison...  If he can defend a rapper who was caught on tape beating a man in Sweden, why can’t he say anything about a man who has essentially been kidnapped by Russia?



So not saying anything about an American in Russia is being hostile to democratic countries?  :flowstone:


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26862889 - 08/04/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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He prefers bending over for the autocratic ones, and seems hostile to the democracies.



What do you mean by "hostile"?  Maybe I'm not watching enough news these days.  :shrug:



I don't have all the facts in line to write a coherent essay, but here's some ideas I'm throwing around.

I'm thinking about Germany and all of our other allies. I think Putin is playing Trump like a fiddle and Russia will benefit from our missteps. Trump admires Putin, which I guess is understandable, because Putin is better at his job.  Trump is basing foreign policy on his personality conflict with Angela Merkel, and our massive trade imbalance with Germany which underscores his failures. This is not a certainty, but Trump has indicated that the troops he's pulling from Germany are going to Poland, and not for strategic reasons, but because they said they would pay more for them. He's treating this like a business deal, and he doesn't realize he's not good at business.

He also has a bad relationship with the UK, our most important military ally.  China is obviously in ascendency and Trump has not acted like our allies are vital to our future.



I can't respond to that because it's mostly fluff, except maybe the part about paying for troops to be in Germany.

I support Trump's decision to withdraw from countries that don't want us enough to pay for us.  Germany is doing fine economically relative to the US.  :shrug:


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: qman]
    #26862904 - 08/04/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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He's been promising for 5 years, yet nothing.  He's not allowed to do it.



 
    Your actually expecting people to take Trumps words seriously ? Lol, for fucks sake , you may as well be asking people to listen to roadside fortune tellers .


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26862911 - 08/04/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Mercenaries is the word you’re looking for

That really is quite the transformation from a so called anti war guy to one who supports the military being a mercenary army.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26863254 - 08/04/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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He's been promising for 5 years, yet nothing.  He's not allowed to do it.



 
    Your actually expecting people to take Trumps words seriously ? Lol, for fucks sake , you may as well be asking people to listen to roadside fortune tellers .




Yet, Brian and Koods are taking his words seriously when it comes to something they disagree with, you can't have it both ways.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: qman] * 2
    #26863293 - 08/04/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-wants-pull-all-troops-out-afghanistan-2020-election-n1038651

He's been promising for 5 years, yet nothing.  He's not allowed to do it.



He can order them to stand down with a phone call.  He chooses not to.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Enlil]
    #26863564 - 08/04/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-wants-pull-all-troops-out-afghanistan-2020-election-n1038651

He's been promising for 5 years, yet nothing.  He's not allowed to do it.



He can order them to stand down with a phone call.  He chooses not to.




Why, what's in it for him?  Isn't kind of embarrassing for Obama and Trump to run and essentially maintain anti-war stances, and still proceed with the same old military policy on the global stage.

Come on now, the voters have clearly showed their dislike for US military policy and Obama/Trump campaigned on that sentiment AND still nothing changes, what does that tell you?  They don't govern on those key US strategic plays on the global level.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: qman]
    #26863565 - 08/04/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How should I know?  I do know, however, that as commander in chief, he could literally order the soldiers to cease all combat action.  If Congress wants to defund a return home, they can do that, but they are going to have to pay to feed and house all of those men who are just sitting there doing nothing. 

Trump could end America's involvement in the wars today.  He chooses not to.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Enlil]
    #26863663 - 08/04/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If Trump had a museum of his accomplishments what would it be in there? If Trump would've advocated masks do you think his supporters would wear them? Do you think Trump clearing protesters to have a photo op with a bible helped ease tensions with protesters? Do you think he made good statements to ease race relations as other presidents have done at key moments in history?

What did he really accomplish with China, Russia and North Korea And how have they responded? How did alienating our allies help us? Do you think it helps fight covid to discredit disease specialist on his own team notifying the public that disease is much more widespread now? Do you really think it's acceptable for a president to suggest delaying an election because he's losing? How about holding rallies without mask mandate leading to documented infection spread? America can't take 4 more years of Trump. OUR country will be destroyed and you should be terrified of some of the things he has been saying and doing to lead us where we are with race relations and solid response.


Good example of him putting his own re-election over to the well-being of people in America what is Jared kushner's testing and tracing plan that was mysteriously shelved after some blue states started to see cases. Many sources later said that this was done specifically to make Democrats look bad for his re-election campaign. Look into it yourself if you really want to your mind to be changed


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26863696 - 08/05/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Mercenaries is the word you’re looking for

That really is quite the transformation from a so called anti war guy to one who supports the military being a mercenary army.



So you'd rather we pay for other nations defense than use the money here at home?

Imperialists is the word I was looking for, not mercenaries.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26864137 - 08/05/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If Trump had a museum of his accomplishments what would it be in there? If Trump would've advocated masks do you think his supporters would wear them? Do you think Trump clearing protesters to have a photo op with a bible helped ease tensions with protesters? Do you think he made good statements to ease race relations as other presidents have done at key moments in history?

What did he really accomplish with China, Russia and North Korea And how have they responded? How did alienating our allies help us? Do you think it helps fight covid to discredit disease specialist on his own team notifying the public that disease is much more widespread now? Do you really think it's acceptable for a president to suggest delaying an election because he's losing? How about holding rallies without mask mandate leading to documented infection spread? America can't take 4 more years of Trump. OUR country will be destroyed and you should be terrified of some of the things he has been saying and doing to lead us where we are with race relations and solid response.


Good example of him putting his own re-election over to the well-being of people in America what is Jared kushner's testing and tracing plan that was mysteriously shelved after some blue states started to see cases. Many sources later said that this was done specifically to make Democrats look bad for his re-election campaign. Look into it yourself if you really want to your mind to be changed




He's going to make Chinese conglomerate ByteDance pay us a fortune for him allowing Microsoft to buy TikTok. It's unprecedented really for the leader of a civilized country to even suggest such a thing; right up there with making Mexico pay for the wall.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: qman]
    #26864146 - 08/05/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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He's been promising for 5 years, yet nothing.  He's not allowed to do it.



 
    Your actually expecting people to take Trumps words seriously ? Lol, for fucks sake , you may as well be asking people to listen to roadside fortune tellers .




Yet, Brian and Koods are taking his words seriously when it comes to something they disagree with, you can't have it both ways.




I have only said what he wants to do is asinine. You're the one who played him up us a master of the universe, till recently.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #26864327 - 08/05/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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He's been promising for 5 years, yet nothing.  He's not allowed to do it.



 
    Your actually expecting people to take Trumps words seriously ? Lol, for fucks sake , you may as well be asking people to listen to roadside fortune tellers .




Yet, Brian and Koods are taking his words seriously when it comes to something they disagree with, you can't have it both ways.




I have only said what he wants to do is asinine. You're the one who played him up us a master of the universe, till recently.




Hmm, I've been HIGHLY critical of Trump for a LONG time. I supported his economic nationalistic rhetoric because I've been in favor of those issues for a very long time. The fact that he never implemented those promises is why I called him out 2 years ago.

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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: qman]
    #26865545 - 08/05/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You know fuck it I think I am just going to vote for Biden. I am going to hate myself for it as he will probably be a lousy President that cannot remember what he does each morning with severe dementia. I hate the voting band wagon train but I will probably do anything to get Trump out of the White House. I cannot deal with his justified self racist shit anymore.

I still doubt Biden will win and for gods sake if he lies about as many promised policies as Obama did and doesn't pull through on them I am just going to feel even worst for throwing away a vote. For real though anything to get this nut Trump out of the house. Congress can topple over The House and Senate with Democrats at this point as far as I care which is a huge nightmare of mine but I cannot feel ok with life by not at least trying to vote Trump out.

Going to drop a vote on blue this year. Roll the dice. If Biden has a stroke in office hopefully he will have a decent VP although that is a joke also but at least I can pray to god.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: imachavel]
    #26865641 - 08/05/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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