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Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. * 2
    #26862539 - 08/04/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

a large part of beruit’s port area just got taken out by a massive explosion in the port. Never seen a shock wave like this.

https://twitter.com/kkjkwarrior/status/1290679353022361600?s=21

Another angle

https://twitter.com/banthebbc/status/1290675134332796928?s=21

that is the most menacing shock wave ever recorded. A perfect half sphere of condensation progressing out at the speed of sound.

https://twitter.com/sharknewswires/status/1290670731022540805?s=21



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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26862541 - 08/04/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was just admiring this shockwave,
fuckin crazy watching it peel those buildings


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26862545 - 08/04/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26862551 - 08/04/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Based on the color of the smoke, this was almost certainly caused by a nitrate compound. Probbaly ammonium nitrate fertilizer stored in a warehouse or on a ship. Same thing happened in Texas a few years ago.

Somebody needs to strangle the woman in this video. What is the point of screaming like that

https://twitter.com/4theculture____/status/1290699990147440640?s=21


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26862562 - 08/04/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Not to mention the Tianjin Explosions  ! Nitrates go BOOM


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26862567 - 08/04/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I guess if your explosion is big enough it looks like a nuke

https://twitter.com/jacksparrow3976/status/1290696405816811520?s=21



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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26862654 - 08/04/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26862660 - 08/04/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

*filmers of all others nationalities duck when they see that massive condensation*

*American filmer* "Oh God" :Awemazing:


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: mongo lloyd] * 2
    #26862687 - 08/04/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26862693 - 08/04/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #26862710 - 08/04/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Doubt its nitrates

Defo not fuckin fireworks


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26862763 - 08/04/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess if your explosion is big enough it looks like a nuke





How are Israeli-Lebanese relations these days?


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: psi]
    #26862770 - 08/04/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like a weapons depot blow up or something.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26862791 - 08/04/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Doubt its nitrates

Defo not fuckin fireworks




That color of smoke is very distinctive of nitrogen dioxides. If you burn nitrate high explosives you get some nasty combustion products. Could easily be burning TNT that eventually exploded.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26862815 - 08/04/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Keep in mind there were seem to be 2 blasts.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26862857 - 08/04/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dagone yo.  That was a pretty big boom..


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26862879 - 08/04/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That shockwave probably severely damaged buildings several kilometres away.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26862899 - 08/04/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That was a cool video.


Makes me want to go to the hardware store and get plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal my windows.

Nukes could happen any time.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26862915 - 08/04/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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*filmers of all others nationalities duck when they see that massive condensation*

*American filmer* "Oh God" :Awemazing:



I know it probably makes me a terrible human being, but I have to admit that part of my reaction the first time I saw that explosion was :Awemazing:


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26862960 - 08/04/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Keep in mind there were 2 blasts. One is nitrates the other is --




The big one was ammonium nitrate according to the government. 2700 tons.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: nooneman]
    #26862961 - 08/04/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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*filmers of all others nationalities duck when they see that massive condensation*

*American filmer* "Oh God" :Awemazing:



I know it probably makes me a terrible human being, but I have to admit that part of my reaction the first time I saw that explosion was :Awemazing:





Only if you imagined and laughed as people were cruelly killed.


If you think THAT was awesome, just imagine the "Big bang" which is actually still in motion outwards forever in all directions


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Fiery]
    #26862989 - 08/04/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If you think THAT was awesome, just imagine the "Big bang" which is actually still in motion outwards forever in all directions



If you think that's awesome, consider that directionality and motion are a product that exist because of the big bang, not a feature of how big the boom was.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26863026 - 08/04/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lebanese Prime Minister says #Beirut explosions caused by an estimated 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate left unsecured for 6 years in a warehouse. He vows to punish officials responsible. 50+ dead, 3,000 injured, hospitals overwhelmed.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26863074 - 08/04/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trump called it an attack and a bomb during his news conference 🤦‍♂️


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26863079 - 08/04/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

West Texas ammonium nitrate explosion





If you let a large enough pile of ammonium nitrate burn it will eventually explode


Halifax Nova Scotia

103 years ago the city of Halifax was partially destroyed by 2100 tons of ammonium nitrate detonating on a ship in the harbor. 1,000 people were killed in what was at the time the largest man made explosion in history.

https://www.thejournal.ie/explosion-nova-scotia-3341241-Apr2017/


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26863097 - 08/04/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So larger than an atomic bomb drop in Japan?


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: christopera]
    #26863140 - 08/04/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The bomb on hiroshima was 15,000 tons of TNT, 2,100 tons of ammonium nitrate is about 15x less.

Tsar Bomba :biggestnuke: was 50 million tons of TNT.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: christopera]
    #26863147 - 08/04/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So larger than an atomic bomb drop in Japan?




No. Please reread


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26863210 - 08/04/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

some more ammonium nitrate explosions, Tianjin China



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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Faustian] * 3
    #26863233 - 08/04/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Texas City Texas was destroyed in 1947 when 2200 tons of ammonium nitrate exploded on a ship in the port

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster

I think humanity has an ammonium nitrate problem

Fun fact, all those instant cold packs you see at pharmacies are filled with about 250g of pure ammonium nitrate and an ampule of water. When you break the water it dissolves the ammonium nitrate, which is very endothermic and gets very cold



Fun fact 2:
Controlled thermal decomposition of ammonium nitrate is how you make nitrous oxide


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26863269 - 08/04/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So like, which crown jewel hoard contains the most Moldavite?



Perhaps in the structure of the star born meteor, there can be some explanation.


Many blasts happened over time these are just man-made ones.

We don't need to wait millions of years to destroy earth like a giant meteor did to middle France 15 million years ago.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Fiery]
    #26863280 - 08/04/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This explosion is absolutely massive. Its gonna be hard to say this level of damage could be done without some kind of weapon being involved.



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    #26863287 - 08/04/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It might be a coverup to convert and chemically/with heat turn a stockpile of explosives into a more deadly stockpile of explosives.


Imagine that it takes massive force to put massive force into another object, so could this have been the charging of some nuclear like reaction and with core reasearch?


I imagine Dirk Dirkley will be on case soon. As they do sometimes in disasters as such


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: budmanman]
    #26863295 - 08/04/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol no. You have that backwards. It would be very difficult for this to be caused by a weapon. Use some common sense.

As described in previous posts, this kind of explosion has occurred many times due to irresponsible storage and a lack of regulations concerning fertilizers


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26863300 - 08/04/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Was this an attack of some sort?


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26863305 - 08/04/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Since the ban on nuclear testing, the us military uses ammonium nitrate to simulate nuclear detonations


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Patlal]
    #26863306 - 08/04/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here is the blast radius of an entire fertilizer plant, its radius is measured in feet not miles lmao


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Patlal]
    #26863307 - 08/04/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Was this an attack of some sort?




Nope just idiots storing fertilizer in the middle of a city


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    #26863308 - 08/04/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Here is the blast radius of an entire fertilizer plant, its radius is measured in feet not miles lmao




That was 30 tons not 2750 tons


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26863311 - 08/04/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/lebanon-beirut-explosion-live-updates-dle-intl/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1IJh7xT01kXtTeUhVf2K4PdByT4pFFbeXkgEjbnv_JzcXd_uRebFOD8II

"The director of the general security directorate later said the blast was caused by confiscated "high explosive materials," but did not provide further details."

Confiscated high explosive materials, sounds like confiscated weapons.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: budmanman]
    #26863428 - 08/04/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think I may have heard something about it being something seized by customs a good while ago.

I didn’t catch the deetz..


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26863562 - 08/04/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

3.3 richter scale.

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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: HamHead]
    #26863659 - 08/04/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The size of that explosion was pretty nuts, I’m surprised the death count isn’t through the roof...


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26863744 - 08/05/20 02:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

At the least, there was no wave of radiation that caused the land and air to become entirely toxic.


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    #26864076 - 08/05/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/lebanon-beirut-explosion-live-updates-dle-intl/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1IJh7xT01kXtTeUhVf2K4PdByT4pFFbeXkgEjbnv_JzcXd_uRebFOD8II

"The director of the general security directorate later said the blast was caused by confiscated "high explosive materials," but did not provide further details."

Confiscated high explosive materials, sounds like confiscated weapons.




They said it was ammonium nitrate. Everything about the explosion is consistent with that, right down to the red cloud of nitrogen dioxide.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26864154 - 08/05/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That was fucking sick did u guys see the Shockwave rip all the buildings apart. That has to be one the biggest explosions I've seen in my lifetime. Thing looked bigger than a fucking moab ffs. I have all the best videos saved. U guys see the aftermath. If anything they have a improvement to the port dock em right there now. Its not like the place didn't look bombed out before anyway. Is that how they're living over there no wonder something went off. Not a bad consolation if you ask me.


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    #26864250 - 08/05/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Thing looked bigger than a fucking moab ffs.




Much bigger than a MOAB, even much bigger than a FOAB.

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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26864262 - 08/05/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You would think that they wouldn’t just leave a pile of whatever that was laying around due to the possibility of exactly what happened taking place.:sherlock:


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    #26864264 - 08/05/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That was fucking sick did u guys see the Shockwave rip all the buildings apart. That has to be one the biggest explosions I've seen in my lifetime. Thing looked bigger than a fucking moab ffs. I have all the best videos saved. U guys see the aftermath. If anything they have a improvement to the port dock em right there now. Its not like the place didn't look bombed out before anyway. Is that how they're living over there no wonder something went off. Not a bad consolation if you ask me.




I think you might be on to something as in this tragedy will probably spur a movement towards better living standards and a change in government. At least one would hope. Really sad circumstance though my gawd. to be a person living there right now :frown:


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26864266 - 08/05/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You would think. Yet somehow this keeps happening.


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    #26864287 - 08/05/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its a very simple salt manufactured from literally air, water and electricity. They make so much of it at such low cost that the only way to keep it cost effective is to store it in close proximity.

Its not smart, given the explosion risk but its whats being done.

Its mainly used in agriculture.

The stuff is so insensitive most regard it as nonexplosive, but if the wrong circumstances come together, it can be about 0.4x as strong as TNT in a pure state and twice that when contaminated with organic matter.

One of the dumbest things I ever read people had done with it:  a bunch of the stuff had caked as a rocksolid mass against a silo wall. These einsteins figured to loosen it up by blasting it to break it up. It worked, parts of the silo were found 5 miles away.


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    #26864312 - 08/05/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

They're not


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    #26864314 - 08/05/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Its a very simple salt manufactured from literally air, water and electricity. They make so much of it at such low cost that the only way to keep it cost effective is to store it in close proximity.

Its not smart, given the explosion risk but its whats being done.

Its mainly used in agriculture.

The stuff is so insensitive most regard it as nonexplosive, but if the wrong circumstances come together, it can be about 0.4x as strong as TNT in a pure state and twice that when contaminated with organic matter.

One of the dumbest things I ever read people had done with it:  a bunch of the stuff had caked as a rocksolid mass against a silo wall. These einsteins figured to loosen it up by blasting it to break it up. It worked, parts of the silo were found 5 miles away.




Ammonium nitrate is arguably the most important industrial chemical made. It is the reason the planet can support 7 billion people.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26864316 - 08/05/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26864322 - 08/05/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Meanwhile in Yemen:




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    #26864756 - 08/05/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's fkin intens, I never heard about that in 2015!


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    #26864761 - 08/05/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Is that how they're living over there no wonder something went off. Not a bad consolation if you ask me.



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    #26865137 - 08/05/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Meanwhile in Yemen:







That says 2015.

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    #26865385 - 08/05/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: budmanman]
    #26865392 - 08/05/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Israel Palestine local news claims it was an attack from Israel.

https://israelpalestinenews.org/breaking-israel-bombed-beirut-silverstein/?fbclid=IwAR1SwxbkLXwgCbDJV0HcgF7j0mQQm7m4wB2h_hFVeRqFfBTYGr7DBIFIXSU



Exposure: Israel blew up a Hezbollah ammunition depot in the port of Beirut, but did not know in advance that a nearby warehouse contained a huge amount of ammonium nitrate. The government, overwhelmed by the scale of the carnage and destruction, was quick to deny Israeli involvement - even before anyone in Lebanon blamed Israel


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: budmanman]
    #26865396 - 08/05/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

@asante can't reach you by :pm: but we need a mod or more on WCA.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: budmanman]
    #26865442 - 08/05/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Israel Palestine local news claims it was an attack from Israel.

https://israelpalestinenews.org/breaking-israel-bombed-beirut-silverstein/?fbclid=IwAR1SwxbkLXwgCbDJV0HcgF7j0mQQm7m4wB2h_hFVeRqFfBTYGr7DBIFIXSU



Exposure: Israel blew up a Hezbollah ammunition depot in the port of Beirut, but did not know in advance that a nearby warehouse contained a huge amount of ammonium nitrate. The government, overwhelmed by the scale of the carnage and destruction, was quick to deny Israeli involvement - even before anyone in Lebanon blamed Israel




I don’t know why you would trust this source which is clearly biased against Israel.

One reason I doubt this report is an actual bomb dropped on or very near the ammonium nitrate would have detonated it immediately. A supersonic shockwave is how you detonate ammonium nitrate.


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    #26865458 - 08/05/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe a bird, maybe a launched device.



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    #26865478 - 08/05/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe a bird, maybe a launched device.






Why would they bomb a building already completely engulfed in flames. It’s a bird. Why is that a screen cap? Where the video that would 100% prove it’s a bird?


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    #26865668 - 08/05/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Birb are controlled by CIA koods errbody no that


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Birds and the CIA are both not real.


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Image checks out. All batteries are bombs, and all bombs are batteries.


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    #26865688 - 08/06/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Correct and here is the experiment to prove it.



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    #26865690 - 08/06/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Bomb spy pigeons oh b fuck skinner what is this 1950


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    #26865789 - 08/06/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The Guardian's footage:



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And what exactly that footage represents?


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I don't know, the subject of this thread?


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    #26865814 - 08/06/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Image checks out. All batteries are bombs, and all bombs are batteries.




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    #26865815 - 08/06/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I cant read the description from a smart phone u see

I'd image the vid points a finger at someone?


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    #26865816 - 08/06/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sure thing


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    #26865817 - 08/06/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No, the video by The Guardian simply depicts the best footage of the Beirut explosion, without narrative.


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    #26865906 - 08/06/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When will you guys understand that steel beams can't melt jet fuel!!!


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    #26866737 - 08/06/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, but can they explode it?
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    #26866742 - 08/06/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Doubt its nitrates

Defo not fuckin fireworks



I donno man, 2750 tons of nitrates as is claimed - is pretty fucking big and more explosive power than just about any conventional weapon that could've possibly been dropped - or sent via missile. So unless a big ass bomber was flying overhead - then I think it's a bullshit claim that it was an aerial bomb.


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    #26866774 - 08/06/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A friend of mine had a conspiracy theory that it was in fact a small nuke.

I explained to him that a small nuke of that size would act as a neutron bomb, so that in an area about a mile across most people would die from radiation poisoning. That most certainly would not escape attention, not to mention the atrocious fallout as it was a surface blast. On top of that, the flash of light would have been utterly stupendous, which it wasnt. You would have so many burn victims many of whom very sick with radiation sickness. A nuke is a million times hotter than explosives, basically put.

Since today is Hiroshima day, it was about 1/10 the size of that blast.


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Just saw this today. Awesome awesome stuff.

Fireworks huh :whistling:


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Really disappointed no one has found a way to blame this on America, yet.


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    #26867728 - 08/07/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

maybe they hit it with a fuel air bomb,

It must be the Iraelis.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26867771 - 08/07/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'll bet my next paycheck that this was a military operation against a bombmaking factory. There are a few things you can determine from the video. The airblast is clearly visible, and you can infer the decomposition velocity of the explosive that detonated using scale indicators like cars. It wasn't ammonium nitrate (which is actually not explosive on its own, it's just a very potent oxidizer) as the official story of "we forgot to dispose of the nitrates we impounded". The fireworks factory story is slightly more credible, because flash powder is possibly the most terrifying explosive ever devised. Still, the 500-foot crater Newsweek is reporting makes it extremely unlikely that this was an above ground explosion.


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    #26867787 - 08/07/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It wasn't ammonium nitrate (which is actually not explosive on its own





This ,mentality is why these accidents keep on happening.

Ammonium nitrate IS explosive on its own, poorly, but explosive.

The Nitric Acid as an oxidizer will oxidize the Ammonia as a fuel resulting in a relative potency of 0.42x TNT, even without added fuels.

NH4NO3 --burn or detonate!--> N2O + 2 H2O

Terrorist bomb making factories at best have a few tons of boom powder, not thousands of tons, and it takes a nuke to cause an explosion with this yield that can be dropped from a plane.

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    #26867801 - 08/07/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


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    #26867818 - 08/07/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This something conspiracy theorists will be masturbating about for years.

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    #26867819 - 08/07/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yah but that doesn't mean the Israelis didn't want it all blown to smithereens. Isn't that where a bunch of terrorists get thier munitions? Weren't they shoving some this shit into homemade tube rockets and shit. Idk maybe dont shoot missles at ppl and talk shit about blowing up Israeli fertilizer depots and you won't have bad industrial accidents :shrug:


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    #26867853 - 08/07/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I understand what you're saying, and the fire certainly could have degraded the ammonium nitrate, so let's skip that part and say I was technically incorrect and ammonium nitrate is an explosive by itself. I disagree, only in the most ideal of circumstances can ammonium nitrate detonate without a fuel source, and you can hit it with a hammer if you want without it detonating, but you have a valid point and that is undeniable. Unlikely, but so was this explosion, so I guess it can't be discounted.

So, are you saying you support the small nuke theory?


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    #26867879 - 08/07/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think he's saying that at all, he's saying that if it was a nuke then the evidence (radiation) would be very clear cut.


For the sake of argument though, Israel does have nuclear armed subs, not just bombers.


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    #26867936 - 08/07/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just pointing out I called it within minutes of seeing the video :smug:

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Based on the color of the smoke, this was almost certainly caused by a nitrate compound. Probbaly ammonium nitrate fertilizer stored in a warehouse or on a ship. Same thing happened in Texas a few years ago.




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    #26867938 - 08/07/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why use a bomb when they have a pile of shit just sitting there waiting to go off. Sabatoge that and bam problem solved. Wash the hands on to the next one.


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    #26867945 - 08/07/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why use a bomb when they have a pile of shit just sitting there waiting to go off. Sabatoge that and bam problem solved. Wash the hands on to the next one.




Except there was clearly a fire before hand. If you want to detonate a pile of ammonium nitrate you don’t set it on fire first. Fire is not a good way to detonate it. You use a detonator or another smaller bomb .


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Fire is not a good way to detonate it.




Good enough in this case apparently. :shrug:


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    #26867953 - 08/07/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Most ammonium nitrate fires dont result in detonation. You need a lot of it and bad luck. It may have been set off by one of the fireworks from the original fire.


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    #26867955 - 08/07/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Most involve smaller amounts presumably. Do you have an example of a comparable amount that caught fire and never exploded?


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    #26867957 - 08/07/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm leaning towards Israel being involved, but I don't think it's possible that it was a nuke. And while I still contend that ammonium nitrate is basically not an explosive (commercial detonations can actually fizzle out before reacting all the nitrate if the fuel source is inadequately distributed), the effect of the building fire on the nitrate can't really be determined. Let's say it could have been ANFO for the sake of argument and move on to considering the crater.

This absolutely negates any possibility of it being an above ground explosion. The amount of primed anfo, let alone mere ammonium nitrate, that would be required to make a crater of that size is difficult to even calculate. To do it with properly set anfo charges, assuming from the photos we have a crater 75ish feet deep and 500 feet in diameter, we would need to displace about 30 million cubic feet of material. Very conservatively, that would weigh 1.5 billion pounds or 750,000 tons. The soil appears to be very sandy, which is a perfect attenuator for an explosion. No less that 5,000 tons of anfo would be required to create that crater, and I suspect that it is actually three times that amount.

That's if you drilled it into the soil too, not if you set it on top of the ground. In a drill hole, you have ideally contained the blast wave of the primary so all the nitrate and fuel will react. Not the case in a warehouse. The drill hole also provides containment necessary to harness the energy of the reaction.

Timothy McVeigh optimized the 2000 pounds or so of ANFO he used, and it left almost no crater. Additionally, he used a couple of hundred pounds of Tovex to ensure all the ANFO was reacted at once.

So discounting my (very very picky technical) mistake on the explosive properties of ammonium nitrate, what does the crater imply to the people still discussing this?


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    #26867987 - 08/07/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm leaning towards Israel being involved



Why is it that so many more Americans lean into conspiracy than people elsewhere in the world?

After COVID and the BLM riots (and underlying conspiracy pouring out) and now this I'm finding myself truly baffled.


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    #26867991 - 08/07/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because we didn't invent the art of bullshit but we've nearly perfected it.


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    #26867998 - 08/07/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Most involve smaller amounts presumably. Do you have an example of a comparable amount that caught fire and never exploded?



Probably at least a couple hundred pounds in an enclosed space. You need a pressure wave to detonate.

Sirachi, fuel oil supports the complete reaction of the excess nitrogen oxides resulting from the decomposition of ammonium nitrate. Only the ammonium nitrate is capable of actually detonating when the molecule’s bonds break apart. An intimate mixture of fuels and oxidants don’t detonate. The deflagrate. Only a molecule has the capability detonation when the solid or liquid material instantly becomes gases. Things like gunpowder do not detonate. They burn. Contained within something strong enough to withstand growing pressure, you get a detonation.

The reddish brown cloud was the giveaway that it was ammonium nitrate without excess fuel. That is a cloud of nitrogen oxides that would have further reacted in the presence of excess fuel.


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    #26868007 - 08/07/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

History is just a series of conspiracy theories. Americans are among the best and brightest, because America is an aggregate of all the people in the world smart and talented enough to get out of their own country and make a life here. So, we're conspiracy minded because we've realized what has been happening to us sooner than the rest of the world.

Hey, you asked. :lol:

But more seriously, look at what I said. It's a mathematical impossibility that there was nothing but ammonium nitrate involved in that crater. You can simply log into the Dymo Nobel website and calculate how much anfo you'd need to buy to move x amount of y material z distance and determine that it wasn't anfo.


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    #26868009 - 08/07/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm leaning towards Israel being involved



Why is it that so many more Americans lean into conspiracy than people elsewhere in the world?

After COVID and the BLM riots (and underlying conspiracy pouring out) and now this I'm finding myself truly baffled.




America is a culture where people are told to make up their own minds even when their own minds are not capable of doing so.


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    #26868013 - 08/07/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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t's a mathematical impossibility that there was nothing but ammonium nitrate involved in that crater.



Like I said

You have no idea what that dock was made from. No idea the density of the material and no idea if there is even a crater because it is now underwater 


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    #26868017 - 08/07/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Koods, don't leftsplain explosives to me. For real man. Just stop. You're being ridiculous.


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Lol ok


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    #26868025 - 08/07/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Is leftspaining like mansplaining?


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    #26868030 - 08/07/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just trying to help him out since he doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about. I guess he thinks leftists can’t know anything about chemistry


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    #26868043 - 08/07/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’m surprised I haven’t heard of any serious lung injures from the cloud of nitrogen oxide. That shit is terrible if you breathe it. Slow agonizing death.


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    #26868045 - 08/07/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, but it's when you talk shit about things you do not understand just because.


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Americans are among the best and brightest, because America is an aggregate of all the people in the world smart and talented enough to get out of their own country and make a life here.




Only Americans say things that dumb




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Yes, but it's when you talk shit about things you do not understand just because.




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There's no such thing. Excavation companies just use two metric fucktons and hope it was big enough but not too big.


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    #26868082 - 08/07/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, but it's when you talk shit about things you do not understand just because.



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I agree wholeheartedly. I'm actively trying to be a peacemaker, but at the same time, there's some really treacherous shit going on in the country right now. We are in another civil war, and our inability to tolerate different viewpoints will be our downfall.

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There's no such thing. Excavation companies just use two metric fucktons and hope it was big enough but not too big.



They also dig a hole and put the explosives deep inside. They don’t just pile it on top of the ground and waste all the energy into the atmosphere


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You just made a point that supports my argument, but you're arguing with me. I have you on ignore now.


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maybe they hit it with a fuel air bomb,

It must be the Iraelis.



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    #26868222 - 08/07/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was very clear that the small nuke can be ruled out just seeing the footage.

Just another massive AN fire accellerating to a detonation.

If you're making laughing gas by decomposing ammonium nitrate by melting it, you're supposed to mix it with lots of clean sand to prevent detonation from occurring.

Heated ammonium nitrate is much less stable, even when pure.

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Stability during transport: If heated strongly, decomposes, giving off toxic gases and gases which support combustion. Undergoes detonation if heated under confinement.
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If you're making laughing gas by decomposing ammonium nitrate by melting it, you're supposed to mix it with lots of clean sand to prevent detonation from occurring.

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    #26868234 - 08/07/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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there's some really treacherous shit going on



Pretty sure that's always been the case.

I think the only difference - these days - is that we have t'internet feeding us all bullshit, directly to the fucking brain, turning it black like a cancer.


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If you're making laughing gas by decomposing ammonium nitrate by melting it, you're supposed to mix it with lots of clean sand to prevent detonation from occurring.

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I never considered that one might do this - and it makes sense but damn does that sound dangerous.





Just to emphasize, if you plan to make nitrous that way, the nitrous must be cleansed of the highly toxic NO and NO2 gases contained in it.

Since Timothy McVeigh one does not simply load up ones pickup truck with 50lbs bags of AN anymore though.


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    #26868278 - 08/07/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If you're making laughing gas by decomposing ammonium nitrate by melting it, you're supposed to mix it with lots of clean sand to prevent detonation from occurring.

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I never considered that one might do this - and it makes sense but damn does that sound dangerous.




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    #26868440 - 08/07/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I simply don't buy that there was only ANFO here. Read about what McVeigh did to ensure his anfo all ignited. First, he used nitromathane not fuel oil. Second, he used several hundred pounds of Tovex which is an accelerated nitrate-fuel high explosive. In order to ensure detonation, he used a 10:1 or less ratio of ANFO to high explosive.

An explosion crater 500' in diameter would be something like 10,000 pounds of TNT at a bare minimum. The nearly 3,000 tons of nitrate that were alleged to have been stored there would easily produce the effect of 2.5 million pounds of TNT in an optimal detonation, and even if it only yielded 50%, there's still enough there in the official story to exceed the amount needed to do that amount of damage.

So to be clear Asante, I'm not saying there was no nitrate involved - just that there's no effing way that was ALL that was involved. As I originally said, the fireworks factory story seems like it's a plausible detonation initiator, but ammonium nitrate is not an explosive. It's an oxidizer capable of exploding under the right conditions, but a building fire is not likely such a set of conditions. Aluminum dust can create an explosion and so can sugar or grain dust. Aluminum, sugar, and grain are not explosives though. You can look at it from a chemical perspective and be convinced there was enough potential energy in 2,750 tons of nitrate there, I understand that.

Chemistry has no language to describe the actual explosion. That's physics. The shockwave needed to detonate the initial explosion could have come from the fireworks factory implausibly said to have been next door to the 3000 tons of nitrates, but even in an optimal setting, great pains are taken to ensure complete reaction of the nitrates because it simply isn't very easy to get it to explode.

Granted, I have no experience with this much nitrate and it's unlikely anyone in the world does - which is in and of itself enough to make reasonable people doubt the official explanation. Anyone who was detonating this amount of anfo would do it in an orderly fashion with well laid out charges, not a giant pile placed on top of the ground. It seems so improbable that it happened as reported that I just can't accept it.

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And koods, this is why I'm ignoring you. The fact that you approach this as a chemistry problem and not a physics one shows you are just the Mario Batali of copypasta, and have no understanding of what you're talking about, at all. You're wrong about fuel oil's role in anfo, you're wrong about what an explosion is, and you're wrong about smokeless powder exploding if confined. It's not worth more conversation with you, because you're unable to understand things about 3 steps behind what you're talking about. I also don't argue with homeless lunatics on the street who say the end is near, for the same reason.


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    #26868494 - 08/07/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Read about what McVeigh did to ensure his anfo all ignited. First, he used nitromathane not fuel oil. Second, he used several hundred pounds of Tovex which is an accelerated nitrate-fuel high explosive. In order to ensure detonation, he used a 10:1 or less ratio of ANFO to high explosive.




What McVeigh did had everything to do with increasing the velocity of the detonation, so that the same amount of explosive would be more destructive.

ANNM is a mixture similar to commercial Kinepak tht is much more powerful and fast than ANFO. It is as fast and as powerful as TNT, while ANFO is only 0.8x TNT. The NM alone has a power akin to tetryl.

Tovex is an explosive based on the nitrates of methylamine and ethylenediamine, which is faster and more powerful because the carbon fuel is part of every molecule, the same reason why the WTC bombing was so devastating, it used urea as the fuel, as urea nitrate. Urea too is a carbon-holding fuel on the molecular level, which too is similar to TNT in strength and speed.

Why is speed so important? The faster your detonation the greater the brisance, the shattering effect, on tougher materials, such as rebar, and the higher the velocity of your shrapnel, up to 2/3 the velocity of detonation.

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ammonium nitrate is not an explosive. It's an oxidizer capable of exploding under the right conditions, but a building fire is not likely such a set of conditions.




Look into the history of ammonium nitrate disasters. Once heaps get ginormous, AN fires can selfconfine and the remaining AN can detonate, as it has time and time again throughout history. It just does.

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    #26868549 - 08/07/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why use a bomb when they have a pile of shit just sitting there waiting to go off. Sabatoge that and bam problem solved. Wash the hands on to the next one.




Except there was clearly a fire before hand. If you want to detonate a pile of ammonium nitrate you don’t set it on fire first. Fire is not a good way to detonate it. You use a detonator or another smaller bomb .




Unless you are Mossad, the more extreem, and effective wing of the CIA covering their tracks. Start a small fire before detonating the whole pile. Lets face it, Israel is the 51st state of America. America just doesn't know where on the corner of the flag to put the extra star.


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    #26868560 - 08/07/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Sirachi, fuel oil supports the complete reaction of the excess nitrogen oxides resulting from the decomposition of ammonium nitrate. Only the ammonium nitrate is capable of actually detonating when the molecule’s bonds break apart. An intimate mixture of fuels and oxidants don’t detonate. The deflagrate. Only a molecule has the capability detonation when the solid or liquid material instantly becomes gases.





This is literally how it is.

Maybe a good thing the "hard right libertarians" suck at explosives science :grin:

Srirachi I know you like trolling but there's a lot of holes in your understanding of the subject matter, it seems.

Repeatedly stating alone that pure AN cant detonate, in spite of the long history of disastrous AN storage explosions and even quotes of HAZMAT sources stating the contrary, shows that either you're not fully concentrating or mayhaps trolling a bit.


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    #26868611 - 08/07/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-beirut-explosion/

Here's both support for your position and mine. No, it is not an explosive. Yes, it can explode.

The Tovex in McVeigh's bomb was the donor charge. It's sometimes called an initiator, and it is necessary because ANFO is a low explosive that barely sustains its own degradation. It's shockwave is barely fast enough to keep the reaction going, at around 1500 m/s (unconfined), whereas Tovex detonates at probably around 12,000 m/s (I didn't look that up so take with a grain of salt). Point being, The Tovex was entirely consumed before the ANFO had a chance to react. It didn't make the shockwave from the ANFO move any faster. Charge size and geometry are the only factors in the decomposition rate, and that is because of how charge size and geometry affect the shockwave that is responsible for the decomposition.

So back to my point - I simply do not believe anything other than an intentional detonation occured because it's so ridiculously implausible that a quantity of nitrate that large was stored next to a fireworks plant, one of the only things that could provide the donor blast to detonate such a massive quantity of nitrate short of an intentionally placed primary.

Who knows though. if 10% of 2,750 tons of nitrate actually achieved explosive decomposition, could achieve the energy of 231,000 pounds of TNT. I'm aware of one blast of 3,000 pounds of RDX that left a crater 300' x 15' when detonated above ground: https://www.pogo.org/investigation/2016/01/is-us-embassy-in-kabul-next-benghazi/

I'm comparing it to other explosive craters though and I just don't see it. McVeigh's highly-optimized ANFO (some was just anfo but most was AN-Nitromethane) did massive damage above ground but left virtually no crater. Low explosives don't make huge craters when set off above ground. As you pointed out, decomposition velocity is where it's at with explosives, and anfo is excellent at heaving ground it is underneath, but is too slow to shatter the ground the way a high explosive will. So, comparing relative energies released really isn't an accurate way to judge.

The crater is more consistent with a high explosive blast of around 10,000 pounds of TNT. That would be awfully difficult to sneak in, I would think, so I am back to underground bomb factory/storage depot for terrorist groups/something like that.


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    #26868622 - 08/07/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The foundation of Oklahoma is much different than the foundation of a seaport. The natural geography of that city 100-200 years ago was like any port city far smaller. They've all expanded through human intervention. That ground is all man made mostly from what was dredged up from the port to deepen it as ships got larger and larger.

I could see a big crater being a sort of misleading observation if you don't consider the ground by a port is probably pretty shit.


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    #26868629 - 08/07/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don’t think Asante’s interest in explosives began today.


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    #26868657 - 08/07/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Israel causes an "accident" with well known ammonium nitrate stored in Beirut.

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    #26868660 - 08/07/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm interested in women. Doesn't qualify me to understand one though.


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What country or entity profits most from the destabilization of the Lebanese govt? It isn't Israel.


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    #26868665 - 08/07/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Religion or hate is the one thing that motivates people more than money

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Case in point with Hezbollah/Iran as well.


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    #26868677 - 08/07/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The Tovex in McVeigh's bomb was the donor charge. It's sometimes called an initiator,




We'll settle on booster, as we're shooting ANFO :smile:

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Tovex detonates at probably around 12,000 m/s (I didn't look that up so take with a grain of salt)




I can tell you off the top of my head that thats faster than the fastest known explosive so, I'll take it with a prill of AN :smile:

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Point being, The Tovex was entirely consumed before the ANFO had a chance to react. It didn't make the shockwave from the ANFO move any faster.




Need I explain a booster charge to a certified explosives expert?

The Tovex produced a fast shockwave, ripping through the ANFO at its velocity, which then detonated in its shockwave's wake. Basic borehole blasting 101.

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I simply do not believe anything other than an intentional detonation occured because it's so ridiculously implausible that a quantity of nitrate that large was stored next to a fireworks plant, one of the only things that could provide the donor blast to detonate such a massive quantity of nitrate short of an intentionally placed primary.




A fireworks cat 1.1 mass explosion while very impressive is very unlikely to propagate to pure AN in an adjacent plant.

Especially, since we all see the situation that everything was almost peaceful save for the AN fire before shit suddenly got real.

A fireworks cat 1.1 explosion rides on its own shockwave but is still a deflagration. Its as if you stick a (tovex :laugh:) booster in a powder keg.

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anfo is excellent at heaving ground it is underneath, but is too slow to shatter the ground the way a high explosive will.




ANFO too is a high explosive, these are defined by their self propagating shockwaves.

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all your understanding is obviously gained from reading things for the first time today.




Trolololol :smile:

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The link to the blast in the POGO article is of a blast I personally investigated while in the employ of the US Government, and if you'd like, I can PM you pics of me on the ground in Kabul and of my morale patch as a member of the crash team.




Better not compromise yourself :smile:

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These posts you wrote exposed several more. :shotsfired:

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    #26868686 - 08/07/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Plastic is concentrated petroleum. It makes a wonderful fuel for an AN bomb. So does aluminum. I bet there's a shitload of both where that AN was stored. But still Israel totally was behind the welding sparks.

Tar and rubber and asphalt also make good fuel. Probably found beneath the AN and maybe on the roof too


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    #26868688 - 08/07/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I also just heard from someone who would know that there is zero possibility it was a nuke, so take heart Asante, you're not completely mistaken.





Of course I was right about that, one needs to be oblivious to nuclear weapons and their effects to mistake that explosion for one. :crankey:



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    #26868703 - 08/07/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Welding sparks? See this is the problem fucking over there. Who the fuck knows whats actually fucking going on over there. Depends who u ask everyones got some insane middle eastern type story of who's responable. so its like wtf. Sparks. Fireworks fucking Israeli black ops, political dissident provocateurs, fucking Muhammad kicked a soccer ball down a vent mole people who knows.


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    #26868712 - 08/07/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Welding sparks is just the name for the "accidentally started" hypothesis.


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    #26868724 - 08/07/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Damnit Asante, quit being right in this argument. :lol:

I typed the vod for Tovex in Feet per second, and then indicated it was meters per second. My bad!

The CORRECT info is 12000 fps or 4000 m/s

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    #26868734 - 08/07/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The foundation of Oklahoma is much different than the foundation of a seaport. The natural geography of that city 100-200 years ago was like any port city far smaller. They've all expanded through human intervention. That ground is all man made mostly from what was dredged up from the port to deepen it as ships got larger and larger.

I could see a big crater being a sort of misleading observation if you don't consider the ground by a port is probably pretty shit.




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    #26868738 - 08/07/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Plastic is concentrated petroleum. It makes a wonderful fuel for an AN bomb. So does aluminum. I bet there's a shitload of both where that AN was stored. But still Israel totally was behind the welding sparks.

Tar and rubber and asphalt also make good fuel. Probably found beneath the AN and maybe on the roof too




That wasn’t present. The cloud of deep red nitrogen dioxide indicates it was pure ammonium nitrate without excess fuel


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    #26868755 - 08/07/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:, fucking Muhammad kicked a soccer ball down a vent mole people who knows.




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Welding sparks? See this is the problem fucking over there. Who the fuck knows whats actually fucking going on over there. Depends who u ask everyones got some insane middle eastern type story of who's responable. so its like wtf. Sparks. Fireworks fucking Israeli black ops, political dissident provocateurs, fucking Muhammad kicked a soccer ball down a vent mole people who knows.



When you have a pile of 2750 tons of explosive material, and then something happens that ignites it and completely flattens the surrounding area and kills or seriously maims everyone nearby there tends to be a lack of evidence, witnesses and information regarding what really happened :smilingpuppy:


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    #26868800 - 08/07/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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This thread has got to be setting off automated emails in some three letter agency... :lol:




Yeah this thread's gonna be looked at for sure  :hehehe:

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    #26869349 - 08/08/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess if your explosion is big enough it looks like a nuke





How are Israeli-Lebanese relations these days?




They're still enemies, but the mayor of Tel Aviv projected the flag of Lebanon onto the city hall building after this happened saying "humanity comes before any conflict".

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Lights on the wall 5 million dollars what a lovely empty gesture did u see the damage?


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USA needs to give them no less than 1 billion dollars.



I say put our top dollar miltary to good use and put real boots on the ground and help rebuild it. Rebuild it in the American vision of freedom safety and liberty in a caring tolerant nation like we have here.


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    #26869442 - 08/08/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Lights on the wall 5 million dollars what a lovely empty gesture did u see the damage?




Empty gestures compared to what the richest country in the world did? So far, Trump sent good wishes.

Let's remember that Lebanon is Israel's enemy, and if the Israeli right wing (Netanyahu's son actually) had a problem with what the Tel Aviv mayor did, I don't see trump helping them.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26869446 - 08/08/20 03:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Canadian dollars




Must be. So three quarters of 5 million. At least they didn't send them liras or pesos.
LOL, I had to look up how to spell lira, and they don't have them anymore. It's all EU money.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26869840 - 08/08/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess if your explosion is big enough it looks like a nuke





How are Israeli-Lebanese relations these days?




They're still enemies, but the mayor of Tel Aviv projected the flag of Lebanon onto the city hall building after this happened saying "humanity comes before any conflict".

Canada just sent Lebanon 5 million dollars in humanitarian aid.



I don't really think Israel was responsible (though who knows.) And if they were, it can't have been a nuke or the evidence would be undeniable.

Just as kind of a thought experiment though I wonder "If they were responsible, why now?" And so far I'm not getting the impression that any compelling explanation exists for the "why now".


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: psi]
    #26869862 - 08/08/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Iran proxy Hezbollah and Israel are enemies - not Lebanon and Israel. Not that the national relations are exactly friendly.


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    #26869870 - 08/08/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Any u guys remember 30 - 40 years ago good red hash used to come out of Lebanon :gethigh:


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    #26869875 - 08/08/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I always wanted to check out the forests of Lebanon but charts like this would make me want to hide my identity :lol:



(Isn't it funny that the US likes Christians more than Israel likes Jews :lolsy:)


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: twighead]
    #26869948 - 08/08/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Looks like the mainstream media are working correctly everywhere. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26874882 - 08/11/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'll bet my next paycheck that this was a military operation against a bombmaking factory. There are a few things you can determine from the video. The airblast is clearly visible, and you can infer the decomposition velocity of the explosive that detonated using scale indicators like cars. It wasn't ammonium nitrate (which is actually not explosive on its own, it's just a very potent oxidizer) as the official story of "we forgot to dispose of the nitrates we impounded". The fireworks factory story is slightly more credible, because flash powder is possibly the most terrifying explosive ever devised. Still, makes it extremely unlikely that this was an above ground explosion.




So, I wrote this on Friday, and the linked article was published on Saturday.

https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/2436446/italian-expert-believes-arms-depot-was-site-beirut-blast

A more recent article from Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8611201/Explosives-expert-claims-Beirut-blast-caused-burning-military-missiles-not-ammonium-nitrate.html

"There should have been a catalyst, because otherwise it wouldn't all have exploded together."

So to recap, here's the people who believe the official story:

The media
Asante
Koods


The people who don't believe the official story:

People with actual hands-on experience with explosives

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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26874922 - 08/11/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:booooom:


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi] * 1
    #26874923 - 08/11/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"There should have been a catalyst, because otherwise it wouldn't all have exploded together."




Large stores of ammonium nitrate have detonated many times in the past. There is nothing special about this case except the idiots decided to store it in the middle of a city


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26875005 - 08/11/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'll let Daily Mail know that you've debunked their Italian explosives expert.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26875310 - 08/11/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It wasn’t hard


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26875391 - 08/11/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"There should have been a catalyst, because otherwise it wouldn't all have exploded together."




Large stores of ammonium nitrate have detonated many times in the past. There is nothing special about this case except the idiots decided to store it in the middle of a city



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I'll let Daily Mail know that you've debunked their Italian explosives expert.





Koods states fact. Amonium nitrate's history is filled with accidents just like this.

Experts are just educated people with educated opinions, experts are flat out wrong all the time.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26875393 - 08/11/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'll let Daily Mail know that you've debunked their Italian explosives expert.



You would think nearly every explosives expert would be saying what this one Italian one is saying.
But most are saying that AN is explosive by itself in the circumstances it was stored in when exposed to fire


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26875459 - 08/11/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As Koods earlier in the discussion stated:

In the blasting agent ANFO (used in rock blasting) you have ammonium nitrate and fuel oil. It ois the ammonium nitrate itself that detonates, the fuel oil only adds power and ease to the detonation. But, it in itself is a substance that can detonate under the wrong circumstances.

Its very well known that those circumstances, though rare, most readily occur in huge piles of the stuff where tons of weight selfconfine it

All ammonium nitrate accidents teach us that we just shouldnt treat AN as if its nonexplosive because that leads to casual industrial behavior that leads to accidents.

It just isnt rock salt or borax you can bulldoze into thousand ton piles awaiting shipment.

Its like ecstacy :xtc:, just because its very safe doesnt mean you should treat it like its M&Ms.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26875473 - 08/11/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well it certainly provides a better visual on what happened that fateful day in Oklahoma..


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26875481 - 08/11/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think if you look at what experts are doing, they're trying to explain how what they've been told happened could happen.

The President of Beirut says what I said.
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/beirut-blast-lebanon-president-foreign-interference-6544276/

You just won't get this on the news here. If you go outside the US borders, this is a common line of conversation right now.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26875506 - 08/11/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I saw some footage from Beirut of three women near massive glass walls at the entrance to a building.
You see 2 men running and the women walking up to the glass to see what the commotion is.
Two of the women manage to step outside, but close the door on the third woman (I'm assuming the concierge).

Then the blast hits....

The instant this explosion occurred people started pointing fingers.
The account I saw the video from ,minutes after the blast, had already taken the assumption this was an attack by Israel.
I like my conspiracy theories man but lets try not to make assumptions yet.
Obviously there is a reason the ammonium nitrate was being held at the port for multiple years and I doubt it was to make themselves sitting ducks.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26875513 - 08/11/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes the world is full of conspiracy theorists

Maybe as you get older and more wise you’ll learn to not credit human intention for what can easily be explained by human folly


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    #26875536 - 08/11/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes the world is full of conspiracy theorists

Maybe as you get older and more wise you’ll learn to not credit human intention for what can easily be explained by human folly




QFT because as this develops, I'll be laughing harder and harder at you as usual.


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Yes the world is full of conspiracy theorists

Maybe as you get older and more wise you’ll learn to not credit human intention for what can easily be explained by human folly




QFT because as this develops, I'll be laughing harder and harder at you as usual.



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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26875567 - 08/11/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Occams razor or the dunning kruger effect? Which holds more sway?


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: twighead]
    #26875649 - 08/11/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It would be the most epic target to hit with a missile though, a heap of nearly 3 kilotons of an explosive compound.

There was an elaborate fire previous, just like before most accidents. That wouldnt happen after a military strike. It would have all gone up at once with maybe fires after.

Israel would not be happy if that stash fell into the wrong hands, that much is true.

Being able to shovel full a pickup truck with AN would be any terrorists dream.

Thre stuff is versatile, it can be used as a propellant component and a high explosive, as well as as a reagent in explosives chemistry.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26875684 - 08/11/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I really don't get the vibe of a conspiracy here, a missile or bomb from the sky would've been obvious on all the videos - it does seem like much more likely a case of neglect due to the pent up conditions in Lebanon right now.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Asante]
    #26875701 - 08/11/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It would be the most epic target to hit with a missile though, a heap of nearly 3 kilotons of an explosive compound.

There was an elaborate fire previous, just like before most accidents. That wouldnt happen after a military strike. It would have all gone up at once with maybe fires after.

Israel would not be happy if that stash fell into the wrong hands, that much is true.

Being able to shovel full a pickup truck with AN would be any terrorists dream.

Thre stuff is versatile, it can be used as a propellant component and a high explosive, as well as as a reagent in explosives chemistry.




Ive used ammonium nitrate to produce high concentrations of ammonia gas. Easy peazy just mix ammonium nitrate and sodium hydroxide. Add a drop of water and it just goes nuts.



Mainly I just sprinkle it on the soil to fertilize my house plants


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    #26875728 - 08/11/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its one of the main resources of the chemical industry. An excellent fertilizer and great for blasting, in mining for ores.

Society without the stuff would be a lot less cost effective.

Its literally made from air, water and electricity.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beirut Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26875762 - 08/11/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think if you look at what experts are doing, they're trying to explain how what they've been told happened could happen.

The President of Beirut says what I said.
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/beirut-blast-lebanon-president-foreign-interference-6544276/

You just won't get this on the news here. If you go outside the US borders, this is a common line of conversation right now.



The entire Lebanese government is corrupt. So corrupt they're taking the money and running but calling it stepping down.

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    #26875764 - 08/11/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Its one of the main resources of the chemical industry. An excellent fertilizer and great for blasting, in mining for ores.

Society without the stuff would be a lot less cost effective.

Its literally made from air, water and electricity.




Here’s a story about Fritz Haber, the inventor of the Haber process that turns air and water into ammonia. He was a truly evil man.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/segments/180132-how-do-you-solve-problem-fritz-haber


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