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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26867951 - 08/07/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Fire is not a good way to detonate it.




Good enough in this case apparently. :shrug:


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: psi]
    #26867953 - 08/07/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Most ammonium nitrate fires dont result in detonation. You need a lot of it and bad luck. It may have been set off by one of the fireworks from the original fire.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26867955 - 08/07/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Most involve smaller amounts presumably. Do you have an example of a comparable amount that caught fire and never exploded?


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: psi]
    #26867957 - 08/07/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm leaning towards Israel being involved, but I don't think it's possible that it was a nuke. And while I still contend that ammonium nitrate is basically not an explosive (commercial detonations can actually fizzle out before reacting all the nitrate if the fuel source is inadequately distributed), the effect of the building fire on the nitrate can't really be determined. Let's say it could have been ANFO for the sake of argument and move on to considering the crater.

This absolutely negates any possibility of it being an above ground explosion. The amount of primed anfo, let alone mere ammonium nitrate, that would be required to make a crater of that size is difficult to even calculate. To do it with properly set anfo charges, assuming from the photos we have a crater 75ish feet deep and 500 feet in diameter, we would need to displace about 30 million cubic feet of material. Very conservatively, that would weigh 1.5 billion pounds or 750,000 tons. The soil appears to be very sandy, which is a perfect attenuator for an explosion. No less that 5,000 tons of anfo would be required to create that crater, and I suspect that it is actually three times that amount.

That's if you drilled it into the soil too, not if you set it on top of the ground. In a drill hole, you have ideally contained the blast wave of the primary so all the nitrate and fuel will react. Not the case in a warehouse. The drill hole also provides containment necessary to harness the energy of the reaction.

Timothy McVeigh optimized the 2000 pounds or so of ANFO he used, and it left almost no crater. Additionally, he used a couple of hundred pounds of Tovex to ensure all the ANFO was reacted at once.

So discounting my (very very picky technical) mistake on the explosive properties of ammonium nitrate, what does the crater imply to the people still discussing this?


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26867987 - 08/07/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm leaning towards Israel being involved



Why is it that so many more Americans lean into conspiracy than people elsewhere in the world?

After COVID and the BLM riots (and underlying conspiracy pouring out) and now this I'm finding myself truly baffled.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26867991 - 08/07/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because we didn't invent the art of bullshit but we've nearly perfected it.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: psi]
    #26867998 - 08/07/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Most involve smaller amounts presumably. Do you have an example of a comparable amount that caught fire and never exploded?



Probably at least a couple hundred pounds in an enclosed space. You need a pressure wave to detonate.

Sirachi, fuel oil supports the complete reaction of the excess nitrogen oxides resulting from the decomposition of ammonium nitrate. Only the ammonium nitrate is capable of actually detonating when the molecule’s bonds break apart. An intimate mixture of fuels and oxidants don’t detonate. The deflagrate. Only a molecule has the capability detonation when the solid or liquid material instantly becomes gases. Things like gunpowder do not detonate. They burn. Contained within something strong enough to withstand growing pressure, you get a detonation.

The reddish brown cloud was the giveaway that it was ammonium nitrate without excess fuel. That is a cloud of nitrogen oxides that would have further reacted in the presence of excess fuel.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26868007 - 08/07/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

History is just a series of conspiracy theories. Americans are among the best and brightest, because America is an aggregate of all the people in the world smart and talented enough to get out of their own country and make a life here. So, we're conspiracy minded because we've realized what has been happening to us sooner than the rest of the world.

Hey, you asked. :lol:

But more seriously, look at what I said. It's a mathematical impossibility that there was nothing but ammonium nitrate involved in that crater. You can simply log into the Dymo Nobel website and calculate how much anfo you'd need to buy to move x amount of y material z distance and determine that it wasn't anfo.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26868009 - 08/07/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm leaning towards Israel being involved



Why is it that so many more Americans lean into conspiracy than people elsewhere in the world?

After COVID and the BLM riots (and underlying conspiracy pouring out) and now this I'm finding myself truly baffled.




America is a culture where people are told to make up their own minds even when their own minds are not capable of doing so.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26868013 - 08/07/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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t's a mathematical impossibility that there was nothing but ammonium nitrate involved in that crater.



Like I said

You have no idea what that dock was made from. No idea the density of the material and no idea if there is even a crater because it is now underwater 


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Edited by koods (08/07/20 09:58 AM)


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26868017 - 08/07/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Koods, don't leftsplain explosives to me. For real man. Just stop. You're being ridiculous.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26868024 - 08/07/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol ok


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26868025 - 08/07/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Is leftspaining like mansplaining?


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26868030 - 08/07/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just trying to help him out since he doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about. I guess he thinks leftists can’t know anything about chemistry


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26868043 - 08/07/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’m surprised I haven’t heard of any serious lung injures from the cloud of nitrogen oxide. That shit is terrible if you breathe it. Slow agonizing death.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26868045 - 08/07/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, but it's when you talk shit about things you do not understand just because.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26868061 - 08/07/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Americans are among the best and brightest, because America is an aggregate of all the people in the world smart and talented enough to get out of their own country and make a life here.




Only Americans say things that dumb




:trolldance:


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi]
    #26868073 - 08/07/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, but it's when you talk shit about things you do not understand just because.




Good thing I know what I’m talking about then. Tell me more about crater math 😒


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: koods]
    #26868080 - 08/07/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There's no such thing. Excavation companies just use two metric fucktons and hope it was big enough but not too big.


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Re: Massive explosion in the Port of Beruit. Incredible video. [Re: Srirachi] * 1
    #26868082 - 08/07/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, but it's when you talk shit about things you do not understand just because.



Why must y'all be so polarized!?!

It's like having one testicle at war with the other testicle.


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