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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Vahn421]
    #26873159 - 08/10/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I already admitted that I've observed that some businesses definitely discriminate based on race because it's part of their successful formula for maximizing profits.



And that is white privilege.

Businesses can't possibly KNOW whether a white person with an equal resume to a black person is better.

We see white people in the NBA, because we KNOW a lot white people have enough talent, even if they're statistically less likely to make it.  Luckily, the NBA KNOWS people's talent before selecting them, so the best people should make it there.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26873185 - 08/10/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do people find it so hard admitting their white privilege?





That's the nature of privilege. It's the things someone doesn't need to think or worry about. Those that are deep enough in it are unable to perceive its effects, so they assume that's just how it works for everyone.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26873187 - 08/10/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
I already admitted that I've observed that some businesses definitely discriminate based on race because it's part of their successful formula for maximizing profits.



And that is white privilege.

Businesses can't possibly KNOW whether a white person with an equal resume to a black person is better.

We see white people in the NBA, because we KNOW a lot white people have enough talent, even if they're statistically less likely to make it.  Luckily, the NBA KNOWS people's talent before selecting them, so the best people should make it there.




It definitely is in some cases, I'm just arguing that it may not be in all of them... especially when someone decides to hire Chen Yao and Seung Jung instead of Bob Anderson and Brady Smith. In that case we may have to redefine what kind of privilege it is.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26873204 - 08/10/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do people find it so hard admitting their white privilege?

Its both blatant and obvious.






It's hard to admit white privilege because the bartenders don't go "Hey! you're white, the beer is on the house".  Cops don't extra not arrest me.  Nobody is giving free money on the account that I'm white.

It's not obvious for white people that they get treated better.  It's definitely obvious for black people to know they are treat worse.

We call it white privilege in order to be polite.  What it should be called is the black handicap.  But that sounds raqcist...


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Patlal]
    #26873216 - 08/10/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kinda sounds like like your trying to blame black people for the flawed concept of white privilege existing .  That would be racist , AF.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26873220 - 08/10/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
I already admitted that I've observed that some businesses definitely discriminate based on race because it's part of their successful formula for maximizing profits.



And that is white privilege.

Businesses can't possibly KNOW whether a white person with an equal resume to a black person is better.

We see white people in the NBA, because we KNOW a lot white people have enough talent, even if they're statistically less likely to make it.  Luckily, the NBA KNOWS people's talent before selecting them, so the best people should make it there.




It definitely is in some cases, I'm just arguing that it may not be in all of them... especially when someone decides to hire Chen Yao and Seung Jung instead of Bob Anderson and Brady Smith. In that case we may have to redefine what kind of privilege it is.




There are a lot of Asians in tech and science because a lot of Asian families / cultures push their kids to pursue it, same reason there's a lot of black men in the NBA. It's another culturally emphasized skill that's encouraged from childhood and seen as a path to upward mobility.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26873232 - 08/10/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm just arguing that it may not be in all of them... especially when someone decides to hire Chen Yao and Seung Jung instead of Bob Anderson and Brady Smith. In that case we may have to redefine what kind of privilege it is.



Show a study proving there's a bias here.  We already know with 99.99% certainty that employers discriminate against black sounding names.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Rapjack]
    #26873240 - 08/10/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think the point is that every countries natives will get treated better than foreigners.  Thats just the way humans work. Id challenge any user to find a country where foreigners are treated just as well or better than the native population


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26873252 - 08/10/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the point is that every countries natives will get treated better than foreigners.  Thats just the way humans work. Id challenge any user to find a country where foreigners are treated just as well or better than the native population




Most of North America, where illegal immigrants wiped out most of the native population with disease and now run things. The natives are still there, just living in poverty away from everyone else.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Rapjack]
    #26873273 - 08/10/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the point is that every countries natives will get treated better than foreigners.  Thats just the way humans work. Id challenge any user to find a country where foreigners are treated just as well or better than the native population




Most of North America, where illegal immigrants wiped out most of the native population with disease and now run things. The natives are still there, just living in poverty away from everyone else.



Colonialists weren't immigrants though.

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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Rapjack] * 1
    #26873274 - 08/10/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Under attack ?
  Ya I’m white and I’m not feeling it , seems like racist white assholes are under attack , it’s not all white people though .




The Jewish media cherry picks it stories to push certain narratives that usually have whites looking bad while simultaneously ignoring the same behavior from non-whites. That's attacking a certain demographic.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26873278 - 08/10/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Black sounding names, yes.

You just gave a business reason why you'd favor whites in the hiring process.  But you favoring whites IS white privilege.




Many times there's geographical privilege when it comes to hiring people, yet there's not outrage about it.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: qman]
    #26873289 - 08/10/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Black sounding names, yes.

You just gave a business reason why you'd favor whites in the hiring process.  But you favoring whites IS white privilege.




Many times there's geographical privilege when it comes to hiring people, yet there's not outrage about it.



There's also female privilege. There's many forms of privilege yet people only want to talk white men and their unfair advantage  :lol:


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Asante]
    #26873290 - 08/10/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do people find it so hard admitting their white privilege?

Its both blatant and obvious.

Toggling races between people in the same circumstances makes an enormous difference.

You could fill a sizable book with things that are viewed or handled differently depending on whether you are black or white.

That manual that people use based on your skin color has nothing to do with anything that you represent, just your physical appearance.




Many don't have an issue with admitting it, but they take issue with ignoring the other aspects of privilege that exist in society. In other words, constantly screaming about white privilege while ignoring age, female, religious, sexuality and wealth privilege is disingenuous in nature.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26873297 - 08/10/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm just arguing that it may not be in all of them... especially when someone decides to hire Chen Yao and Seung Jung instead of Bob Anderson and Brady Smith. In that case we may have to redefine what kind of privilege it is.



Show a study proving there's a bias here.  We already know with 99.99% certainty that employers discriminate against black sounding names.





I was never disputing that, I was only giving an alternative as to the, "why." I'm also in agreement that in likely the majority of cases, the discrimination is emotionally founded (racist) and not mathematically calculated for profits. (amoral.)


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26873309 - 08/10/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)


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White privilege isn't all a myth, just grossly exaggerated relative to the average white person and average black person.



I don't know if you ever ran into a poster named XUL, but he thought he'd be a smart ass and said this:

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Nobody in this thread has proven white privilege exists. Nobody offered an alpha level, methodology, results, or bothered to explain even one study.




So he was given this, showing with 99.99% confidence that white privilege exists, because white sounding names received 50 percent more callbacks for interviews than black sounding names with IDENTICAL resumes.

That's pretty significant if you ask me.


Though I also agree with qman that inequality between the extremely wealthy and the rest of us is an even more important issue, but maybe that's because I'm white.



Whatever happened to xul?


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Rapjack]
    #26873310 - 08/10/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Rapjack said:
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Vahn421 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Vahn421 said:
I already admitted that I've observed that some businesses definitely discriminate based on race because it's part of their successful formula for maximizing profits.



And that is white privilege.

Businesses can't possibly KNOW whether a white person with an equal resume to a black person is better.

We see white people in the NBA, because we KNOW a lot white people have enough talent, even if they're statistically less likely to make it.  Luckily, the NBA KNOWS people's talent before selecting them, so the best people should make it there.




It definitely is in some cases, I'm just arguing that it may not be in all of them... especially when someone decides to hire Chen Yao and Seung Jung instead of Bob Anderson and Brady Smith. In that case we may have to redefine what kind of privilege it is.




There are a lot of Asians in tech and science because a lot of Asian families / cultures push their kids to pursue it, same reason there's a lot of black men in the NBA. It's another culturally emphasized skill that's encouraged from childhood and seen as a path to upward mobility.




That's pure speculation on your part and it's assuming 100% nurture and 0% nature. That's a closed minded approach to the outcome in my opinion because you're attempting to defend a worldview.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: qman] * 1
    #26873314 - 08/10/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do people find it so hard admitting their white privilege?

Its both blatant and obvious.

Toggling races between people in the same circumstances makes an enormous difference.

You could fill a sizable book with things that are viewed or handled differently depending on whether you are black or white.

That manual that people use based on your skin color has nothing to do with anything that you represent, just your physical appearance.




Many don't have an issue with admitting it, but they take issue with ignoring the other aspects of privilege that exist in society. In other words, constantly screaming about white privilege while ignoring age, female, religious, sexuality and wealth privilege is disingenuous in nature.




I completely agree with this. Using the white privilege card is becoming a slippery slope. Case in point, Devid Webb, a black guy, gets accused of of having white privilege for his success in radio and news by this black "legal analyst" while they were having a conversation over the phone. She was about ready to discredit his entire history of working hard, making sacrifices and getting ahead until she was corrected and told he was black.

And this is the problem with the white privilege narrative. If you want the sane and the rational on your side with it, we can't exaggerate this or assume it was white privilege in an *individual's* life, even if collectively happens around us sometimes.

Watch the backpedaling it's fascinating. (I couldn't find the original video on Youtube so I had to find a re-upload but the story was pretty big when it first happened.)



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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26873330 - 08/10/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
White privilege isn't all a myth, just grossly exaggerated relative to the average white person and average black person.



I don't know if you ever ran into a poster named XUL, but he thought he'd be a smart ass and said this:

Quote:

XUL said:
Nobody in this thread has proven white privilege exists. Nobody offered an alpha level, methodology, results, or bothered to explain even one study.




So he was given this, showing with 99.99% confidence that white privilege exists, because white sounding names received 50 percent more callbacks for interviews than black sounding names with IDENTICAL resumes.

That's pretty significant if you ask me.


Though I also agree with qman that inequality between the extremely wealthy and the rest of us is an even more important issue, but maybe that's because I'm white.



Whatever happened to xul?




He was banned. Homeboy was burning crosses.


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Re: Admitting your white privilige [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26873366 - 08/10/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

White privilege doesn't exist. What you're actually describing is simply the absence of racism, which is not a form of privilege, but merely the absence of a thing. It is not the existence of a thing, but merely the removal of a thing.


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