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Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. *DELETED*
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26859695 - 08/02/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are "balanced" strains with a mix of THC and CBD, not sure if that is the result when crossing a high THC strain and a high CBD strain but it seems like it would make sense.
Elsewhere online I've seen it suggested that the ratio of THC to CBD in such strains is influenced a lot by how they're grown, but I'm not sure of the details or whether there is a way to tailor the conditions to push things in the high THC direction.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: psi]
#26860088 - 08/03/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see. well, I reckon all I can do is just wait and see what happens. maybe they will surprise me in the end. Thanks for the reply
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26860287 - 08/03/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This year I unintentionally grew a balanced strain, didn't research what I was buying. Probably just as well though, the high THC stuff makes me a bit nuts.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: psi] 1
#26860864 - 08/03/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I'm hoping that if they did cross that it will be balanced, but so far you can only get a headache from smoking any part of them,and edibles do absolutely nada!
Here are a few of the beasts. They are so freaking tall!
Some go so tall, that even bending them down,and even snapping the stems didn't work.
These are in a pretty secluded area, so I just let them do their thing.
This one only got really bushy because it got topped early on by a deer. I'd say it's right at 8 feet tall.


These two had no branching either until I topped them a couple weeks back,and they have since grown a few feet since. The tallest is probably is about 9 foot.

And here is an un-topped one that has actually got a bit branching to it.

Now this is the typical hemp looking style of most all the other plants.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26861341 - 08/03/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey there,
I just wanted to drop my opinion here.
As long as I know when breeding cannabis, male plant's chromosomes are dominant so if you get pollen from hemp it means your F1 will be mostly like the plant that pollen comes from. I'm sure there are exceptions it's just the ratio, in other words it's lottery. I'm sure you have the chance that there is some mixed potency there but honestly I doubt it based on my experiences, I could be wrong tho, time will tell it for sure.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
#26861490 - 08/03/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dang, I was afraid of that.
You said based on your experiences. Did this happen to you,and if so, were the resulting plants trash?
I know one thing, even sampling immature buds, which normally held me over until harvest time the previous years got me super stoned. But this year, not one sample off of any plant has go me anything but a severe headache, literally.
So, with the amount of plants that I have out, and their sizes, I was looking at quite a few pounds, and now I'm still looking at it, it's just going to be worthless hemp.
Oh well. you live and learn.
Thanks for the reply, it's just the conformation that I needed.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26861824 - 08/03/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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there is a paper acutally on this subject. you will get some hemp some thc and some varied mix of higher cbd 1:1 etc. this is what first wave of cbd plants was and anything "swiss" was hemp crossed to thc plants. likely why eirdbeer is often high in cbd.
hemp is cool just make RSO and high cbd oil great for caps if take enough plenty of thc even for lightweights to get a little buzz ie few mg. hemp is more or less 10:1 ratio. ie 1 gram of decent hemp is 20-30mg of cbd and 2ishmg of thc. so a couple grams of hemp or 100mg of hemp RSO decarbed in edible is a nice light medical snack
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: the man]
#26861858 - 08/04/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Usually with plant breeding, the female traits will be dominant in the offspring. In F1 generations there will be a big diversity of phenotypes that pop up.
The wind or bees certainly could have brought hemp pollen to your plants. It would be hard to know for sure. I wouldn't trash them. You might get something nice out of it. It does take time for cannabinoids to form properly in the trichomes.
I have a Pennywise phenotype that's 1:1 ratio at around 10%, and I love the high from it. It has an awesome terpene profile too. Its not quite like what a high THC plant would do, but you definitely feel it much more than straight high CBD flowers.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26861947 - 08/04/20 03:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Allium said: Dang, I was afraid of that.
You said based on your experiences. Did this happen to you,and if so, were the resulting plants trash?
I know one thing, even sampling immature buds, which normally held me over until harvest time the previous years got me super stoned. But this year, not one sample off of any plant has go me anything but a severe headache, literally.
Well to answer your question, yeah unfortunately I got shit out of them all the time. In my teenage years I had some experiments with pack-seeds which came from hemp-pollinated flowers due to my country was a hemp farm back in the days and it gone wild from these fields and now is everywhere on countrysides. All of them contains no THC even if the buds look trichomey and smells skunky.
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hummingbird said: Usually with plant breeding, the female traits will be dominant in the offspring. In F1 generations there will be a big diversity of phenotypes that pop up.
The wind or bees certainly could have brought hemp pollen to your plants. It would be hard to know for sure. I wouldn't trash them. You might get something nice out of it. It does take time for cannabinoids to form properly in the trichomes.
I don't know if this is true since I wrote the opposite. I thought male traits would be dominant. And look at his pictures, he stated that none of his plants looked like before this year. And his plants, oh them are so huge, and that last picture, the early flowering skinny top cola all pointing towards to hemp sativa. Maybe the genes that responsible for THC production are genetically modified in hemp so they can keep it low, these might be dominant genes so I'd start digging somewhere here, but I'm no expert, it just happened a lot of times to me in the past.
May I ask do you have any experience with it or could you please back it up with a source? (No offense at all my buddy, I'm just curious as well as OP)
p.s. I wouldn't chuck them all, you still could get out something from them, maybe not as potent buds as before, or as said before you could press hash from it at least to make it more concentrated, but honestly I think your chances are way too low.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
#26862049 - 08/04/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, I'm so glad that all you guys have chimed in on the subject 
Maybe it's good that this actually happened, so we can have some rock solid proof as to what will happen when male hemp pollinates female drug cannabis.
I'm not going to trash them, until the very end, and that's just if there is no THC.
I have no need for CBD, as I'm as healthy and strong as an OX, and I have not one medical condition. So even if they are high in CBD, if there is no THC in any of them they are being left in the field to rot.
I actually will say this, my original seeds were White Widow crossed with Lemon Kush, and there were some tall lanky Sativa dominant plants in the offspring every year. Maybe after all the years, they finally just went more towards the sativa dominant end of the spectrum
I still bet that it was hemp pollen though, because non looked so much like actual hemp style Sativa's until this year.
I'll take more samples when bud production really kicks in, as I have so many plants out, it wont hurt anything, and I'll report my findings
Thanks so much for the replies guys! This really is a fascinating forced experiment so to speak, and I can't wait to see it's outcome
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26862072 - 08/04/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've pollinated my female's with Male pollen before and the buds turned out fine from what I've tried 
In the wild plants are naturally pollinated by males and by hermits and still produce THC (hermy plants to get much THC at all though really comes down to how far along they were before pollination)
Check one of your current buds for seeds, it's possible they just got pollinated super early and that's why they dont get you high or have any trichs
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26862097 - 08/04/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've pollinated my female's with Male pollen before and the buds turned out fine from what I've tried 
In the wild plants are naturally pollinated by males and by hermits and still produce THC (hermy plants to get much THC at all though really comes down to how far along they were before pollination)
Check one of your current buds for seeds, it's possible they just got pollinated super early and that's why they dont get you high or have any trichs
Yeah I guess you used bought seeds from reputable vendors so you got 'pontent' males as well as females you just let 'em did their job, and voila you got potent F1 seeds sharing some mixed genetics in there...
But his case is different since he is in outdoor and most probably got "foreign" outlander pollen from male hemp plant which means it's genetics were modified or just simply bred to a low-THC producing plant. In this case his F1 variance will have a lot of 'impotent' plant, and chances for a plant which descents it's genes mainly from it's female parent is very low IME. Hope I'm wrong here so OP will have smokeable buds soon
OP, I'm looking forward on how it will turn out
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
#26862124 - 08/04/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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None of my plants have any seeds this year as of yet. I go out quite often to check on them.
Most of my plants still haven't even started flowering quite yet, but as of yet, none of the plants with buds have any seeds.
I do know that last year the hemp lost a lot of farmers around here money, and they couldn't sell their product. So they aren't growing this year around my parts as far as I know.
Oh,and the hemp fields were only six miles away from all of my plots, so chances are that pollen made it to my plants for sure, I'd bet money
I'm about to go out now, so I'll post a few more pics later on today, to snap some more pics of all the different phenotypes.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26862963 - 08/04/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I only made it out to one patch today, fishing was a little bit more important, hehe! but here are some different plants from another spot.




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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu] 1
#26863157 - 08/04/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Allium said: None of my plants have any seeds this year as of yet. I go out quite often to check on them.
Most of my plants still haven't even started flowering quite yet, but as of yet, none of the plants with buds have any seeds.
I do know that last year the hemp lost a lot of farmers around here money, and they couldn't sell their product. So they aren't growing this year around my parts as far as I know.
Oh,and the hemp fields were only six miles away from all of my plots, so chances are that pollen made it to my plants for sure, I'd bet money
I'm about to go out now, so I'll post a few more pics later on today, to snap some more pics of all the different phenotypes. 
Okay now I'm confused, at first you say your not getting high off the buds, now I'm assuming you mean the same crop as is growing now so if they've barely begun to flower then of course they're not going to be very strong or look very crystally and trichomed out since they just started
If that's the case and I'm not just confused on how things were worded then just wait to harvest any until they're done flowering or atleast wait until farther into flower before you worry about low potency buds I mean anytime you start from seed it's a new phenotype which can differ from others
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I've pollinated my female's with Male pollen before and the buds turned out fine from what I've tried 
In the wild plants are naturally pollinated by males and by hermits and still produce THC (hermy plants to get much THC at all though really comes down to how far along they were before pollination)
Check one of your current buds for seeds, it's possible they just got pollinated super early and that's why they dont get you high or have any trichs
Yeah I guess you used bought seeds from reputable vendors so you got 'pontent' males as well as females you just let 'em did their job, and voila you got potent F1 seeds sharing some mixed genetics in there...
But his case is different since he is in outdoor and most probably got "foreign" outlander pollen from male hemp plant which means it's genetics were modified or just simply bred to a low-THC producing plant. In this case his F1 variance will have a lot of 'impotent' plant, and chances for a plant which descents it's genes mainly from it's female parent is very low IME. Hope I'm wrong here so OP will have smokeable buds soon
OP, I'm looking forward on how it will turn out 
Surprisingly it was just some bag seed from some plants that probably hermed out and when I pollinated them I got the usual 50/50 mix of Male and female so I kept a couple males to pollinate a few females
Literally anytime you buy "regular"/non-feminized seeds they came from a female and Male, unless you happen upon a strain/phenotype of a male that has an odd hereditary gene mutation that blocks THC production over CBD then your cross is going to have some THC atleast, I mean unless the female is just a drastically low THC producer to begin with
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26863247 - 08/04/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah. You say most of your plants haven't even started to flower yet.
I'd wait a few weeks, at least.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: El Torcho]
#26863378 - 08/04/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know my plants have only but begun to flower, but I have a low tolerance because I have no access to any weed,and for the past few years, I could go snip small leaf, and even buds as immature as mine are right now,and get a buzz to hold me over until harvest time.
However, this year not even the leaf or immature buds will do anything at all.
I actually have some plants further into flowering than the ones I pictured, and they offer no kind of high whatsoever, nor does the small leaf.
I'll post pics of them next time I make out to that spot.
Speaking of which, none of my plant have ever started to flower before August the first except for the males, of course, and I have some plants that started flowering three weeks ago.
This just all screams hemp pollination to me, but I'll just wait and see what happens when the buds get more mature. It's all that I can do.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26863424 - 08/04/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Allium said: I know my plants have only but begun to flower, but I have a low tolerance because I have no access to any weed,and for the past few years, I could go snip small leaf, and even buds as immature as mine are right now,and get a buzz to hold me over until harvest time.
However, this year not even the leaf or immature buds will do anything at all.
I actually have some plants further into flowering than the ones I pictured, and they offer no kind of high whatsoever, nor does the small leaf.
I'll post pics of them next time I make out to that spot.
Speaking of which, none of my plant have ever started to flower before August the first except for the males, of course, and I have some plants that started flowering three weeks ago.
This just all screams hemp pollination to me, but I'll just wait and see what happens when the buds get more mature. It's all that I can do.
Just because they flower late doesnt mean they're pollinated, when did the lighting first reach 12/12 in your area? Sativa strains are known to take longer to flower
Also your most likely just building a tolerance literally any smoker in the world who's smoked even semi regularly doesnt get stoned off of a tiny leaf or small immature bud because once your tolerance build ups it requires more THC to reach the same point
Your plants are probably fine bro if they're pollinated the calyx on the buds will begin to swell up soon and that will be the main part of the flowers that form which will be any easy way to tell
I'm also really confused because you say you have no access to weed but that for the past few years you've been able to clip small pieces? Idk you probably need to grow more to last you through to each harvest
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26863890 - 08/05/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, let me explain, I meant, that my plants were probably pollinated by hemp last season because of how fast some of them started flowering this season.
For the past several years, all my plants would start to flower no sooner than August the first, but this season I had plants start flowering back in mid July.
I was watching KET last night and there was a show on about hemp in my area. Well, there was a guy out in his field, and his plants had full blown huge buds on them,and they looked nearly ready. The date it showed was only August the 8th too, which leads me to believe, at least the early flowering plants that really look more hempish, most likely are half hemp. This is what I was trying to convey 
I'm not bragging, but I have grown cannabis for over 20 years, so I know quite a bit about the plant.
Now on the thing about me not getting high anymore off my leaf and immature buds, contrary to what people will tell you, cannabis produces THC and both CBD all throughout the plants growth stages. It's even detectable in seedlings as well.
The older the plant, the more cannabinoids they produce. This is also strain dependent too. Some plants will have high THC all the way from maturity until the very end,and some wont get any good THC until well into flowering.
This all being said, I don't just go clip off fan leaves and smoke them. They only contain negligible amounts of cannabinoids. The leaves that you want are the very small tip leaves that would normally make your buds when flowering starts, they have more concentrated THC.
When you have no access to real bud, those small leaves will get you high. I know, because I have been doing it ever since I first discovered this back in 1999. i even had people argue with me that you can not get high off of leaf, when I know that that is totally not true.
Another misconception is that Males contain no cannabinoids, another false statement. And as a matter of fact, males contain more THC during vegetative growth than females do. I got high off of all my males that I culled as well up until this year too.
Sure people that sit around smoking bong loads of high potency THC all day and never take breaks will most likely not get high off of leaf, but I can because again, I have no access to any real buds until my harvest is done. I'd put smoking leaf right up there with some decent brick weed.
Hope this clarifies everything for you mate, it's kind of hard to type out exactly what I mean sometimes, and information gets misconstrued.
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