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OfflineSirSoaksAlot
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Stop throwing away your contaminated anything
    #26861817 - 08/03/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hi all, 1st post, if you don't like it, sorry.

I would like to help you all revolutionize your grows and spread the love of fungi in the easiest and foolproof method.
Here’s the deal, you don’t need expensive tools to do it! Stop thinking like you need a flow hood or even a sterile area to do this work. It’s no longer necessary.
I took care of all the work and research for you. For three years now I’ve done whatever I could to kill my samples. Now, there’s some caveats, so it’s not the end of all your problems, but it solves most.
Yes, I am writing this dramatically. Greatnewseveryone.gif so let’s get down to the basics:
1: contamination is no longer an issue
2: your fungus can thrive forever, but they need plants to be truly happy so give them some plants as trading friends.
3: No need for expensive stuff!

How this is done:
1: Go to beauty supply store and buy a couple gallons of the 20 volume clear developer. here's a link, they sell it by the gallon for like $9 with a pro discount. https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair/hair-color/developer/20-volume-clear-developer/SLNCAR61.html
This is basically 6% H2O2, but you can use 12%, but 6% is cheaper. The 3% stuff works as well, but you want the biggest bang for your buck here.

2: Now, when you make a bag full of grain or substrate, and it's had some time to mature (don't do this right away, lol) even if it's contaminated you can just soak it AND I MEAN SOAK IT in the clear developer. When it breaks down, it leaves oxygen and water, two things most fungus adore. Feel free to crush up whatever is in the bag while you do it to expose the most surface area to the oxidizing love of peroxide.

3: It takes about two days to recover, feel free after an hour to dump out excessive moisture left in the bag, or don't, you can even let it ferment and get WAAAAAAAY more contaminated if you want, it doesn't matter, because when you do dump more H2O2 and then dump the excess moisture out, you'll be way okay and back to square one, a good grow.

4: This works on petri dishes too, but your sample material for cloning must be thicc, otherwise, the damage done causes mutant fungus that looks like something from the Flood. A liquid layer of peroxide sanitizes the surface of the agar, leading to contamination free petri dishes. This is one of the caveats though. Feel free to dunk your clone tissue in the peroxide before placing on the agar, but remember, it has to be thicc af or you'll end up growing a hive mind bent on the assimilation of the universe.

5: This really works, but try it for yourself to verify if you have a spare bag laying around. I don't expect you to take a random, unverified posters word for this, but I've done multiple tests over the years and it's just ungodly what 6% or 12% can do to rescue fungus in trouble. It's a cheat code.

I can go into detail more if you have any questions. I'm not trolling or trying to damage your grows, just sharing my experience in killing contamination. I believe this works either because fungus can produce a superoxide dismutase or the chitin itself forms a barrier under oxidization protecting the life of the fungus, something contaminates lack. I keep my bags open to the air, for months and only have good solid growth from oysters and p. stip (I like glowy things). For the petri dish experiment aside from using too small of samples and growing a half man, half fungus, half hive mind abstract art, no contaminates were present despite the lack of lids in open air. I even coughed on them, lol.

This gives two things almost everyone thinks they fail at: Oxygen and Water. Hope someone out there gets some usage from it.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot]
    #26861821 - 08/03/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Bod talking about peroxide:
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bodhisatta said:
It shouldn't have a role in your house period. For mycology or otherwise.

Its one mycological use is for cobweb mold. If you have cobweb mold you done fucked up good. And need to start over.

Peroxide damages your body as well and delays healing time.
Peroxide in first aid is old news too.

There's also no reason to try using over the counter concentrations of peroxide as a sanitizer or disinfectant. 



I can't verify this myself but I've heard from many TC's that using peroxide is an outdated trick. This is just what I've heard though... Never tried it myself :shrug:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26861831 - 08/03/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a TV advertising. :lol:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26861835 - 08/03/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I also don’t have enough experience to vouch or not vouch for peroxide, but when it comes to growing I would trust bodhi with my life.

Also, just to poke holes (and I’m not saying peroxide hasn’t worked for you over the years, cause it very well may have), assuming the mycelium is able to survive a peroxide soak, couldn’t any other fungal based molds be able to survive the soak as well?

I advise every noob such as myself to listen to the guys and gals that have found the tried and true methods (aka listen to the people with trusted cultivator tags). But to each their own.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Gayfish]
    #26861836 - 08/03/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot]
    #26861839 - 08/03/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

SirSoaksAlot said:
How this is done:
1: Go to beauty supply store and buy a couple gallons of the 20 volume clear developer. here's a link, they sell it by the gallon for like $9 with a pro discount. https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair/hair-color/developer/20-volume-clear-developer/SLNCAR61.html
This is basically 6% H2O2, but you can use 12%, but 6% is cheaper. The 3% stuff works as well, but you want the biggest bang for your buck here.





LOL I get hydrogen peroxide for like 80 cents (OK 88 to be exact I just checked my last receipt) for a 16oz bottle.

Based on what everyone is saying, I shouldn't be using it anyway so I likely won't (I used it at first mixed with my spray water cause I got paranoid about cobweb but in reality, I was just helicoptering too much).

As someone who studies Economics, I do think cost-averaging is important, especially if one is to grow large amounts, or even small amounts often...

But that stuff is NOT even cheaper than Peroxide LOLOLOL.  I get 2 bottles of 16 oz Peroxide for $1.76. IF it is true that the stuff you are talking about is stronger, which I am not even sure if I can trust because you also say it is cheaper which it sure isn't, then I would need 2 bottles of peroxide to = 1 bottle of your stuff.  Your stuff is $2.99 a bottle.

Do you work for the company that makes that stuff and things are slow during COVID? And you found out some mushers use peroxide and this is your angle? I am not trying to be rude but I am seriously perplexed...regardless of peroxide is good to use or not this advice just doesn't even make good economic sense.

I am hoping "SirSoaksAlot" is just a troll name and you are just having some fun, but regardless, welcome to shroomery. I am sure I have asked some dumb questions, and will again in the future...but I really hope you are a troll because otherwise, you are just giving bad advice....there are noobs that actually read this stuff and take it as gospel, c'mon man


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Gayfish]
    #26861841 - 08/04/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Gayfish said:
...assuming the mycelium is able to survive a peroxide soak, couldn’t any other fungal based molds be able to survive the soak as well?...




Peroxide can kill cobweb mold but noobs are more likely to think something is cobweb that isn't and spray until their myc turns blue, this is not an insult, I am saying this because I did it. Then noob will be tempted to throw out their tray cause now it REALLY looks dark and bad, or they will wait and the blue will go away but growth is slower.

I had been putting like 5-10% peroxide with 90-95% water to reduce the chances of cobweb, and since peroxide is only like 3% anyway that isn't much at all. Based on what I am reading here I will not be using it anymore. Anyways, your logic is pretty much spot on, peroxide will not kill trich or colored molds, but it can be used to treat cobweb. This may be good for experienced growers but my own experience is that as a noob it is easier to helicopter and F up your grow with peroxide than it is to properly diagnose contams before you even know how to grow well.

TLDR: peroxide can get rid of cobweb but not much else from all I have read


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26861874 - 08/04/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is really sad. Don't feed this troll.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: KuroNeko]
    #26861958 - 08/04/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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KuroNeko said:
This is really sad. Don't feed this troll.




Sadly, you won't hear the gospel of peroxide not because it doesn't work, but it goes against what you've been told and that offends you I suppose. Look, this isn't a troll post.

You can use 12% peroxide, aka 40 vol and do just fine. If you'd like, I'll take time lapse photos for a week and see if I have any photos left over from the science fair projects I did with my kids to prove this not only works, but seriously can keep a contaminated bed from being thrown out. Used industrially, a spraying can keep the spore load down resulting in way less filter changes and an oxygen rich environment. I see lots of comments here from people who trust others and I can appreciate that. If it works, it works. This works. Try it, I urge you to examine the evidence of the process first hand. If you come back and tell me I'm completely wrong (I'm not) than I will be first to investigate why it failed, because it's certainly not my method.

The peroxide kills everything but your fungus if you let it sit. You can even completely submerge your bag, leave it for a few hours then come back and drain it if you want. It works. It may take a day or two to recover but it beats trashing an entire bag or jar. I've had bags I had to throw out after a year of sitting open, multiple fruitings, only because mice got to them and that's just nasty. This process works, I'm certain of it because I've tried dumping 12% and it just doesn't kill the fungus, it springs back in about 48 hours bright and as fresh as new. You don't dilute the 6%, just dump it right in there and prepare to reclaim the bag for the fungus kingdom.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Gayfish]
    #26861961 - 08/04/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Gayfish said:
I also don’t have enough experience to vouch or not vouch for peroxide, but when it comes to growing I would trust bodhi with my life.

Also, just to poke holes (and I’m not saying peroxide hasn’t worked for you over the years, cause it very well may have), assuming the mycelium is able to survive a peroxide soak, couldn’t any other fungal based molds be able to survive the soak as well?

I advise every noob such as myself to listen to the guys and gals that have found the tried and true methods (aka listen to the people with trusted cultivator tags). But to each their own.





I like the question you asked here, since I haven't observed any attempts at colonization from rival fungus in my bags I can give an answer that's only as good as an answer from a single observation. This is a crazy good idea to run as the next science fair project (they only give participation awards...) but I will share the results from an actual testing of the variables whenever the schools reopen. I love that you question this, from my experience, it's likely that the stronger fungus survives.

I let one bag sit until it would no longer colonize brown rice near the bottom. I dumped some peroxide in and waited to empty it until it smelled really fermented. Then added peroxide, dumped and two days later it just smelled like the fungus. Please try it, it could save valuable materials and rescue a grow. I mean, if you're going to trash it anyway, why not?


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26861963 - 08/04/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MrTinAZ said:
Quote:

SirSoaksAlot said:
How this is done:
1: Go to beauty supply store and buy a couple gallons of the 20 volume clear developer. here's a link, they sell it by the gallon for like $9 with a pro discount. https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair/hair-color/developer/20-volume-clear-developer/SLNCAR61.html
This is basically 6% H2O2, but you can use 12%, but 6% is cheaper. The 3% stuff works as well, but you want the biggest bang for your buck here.





LOL I get hydrogen peroxide for like 80 cents (OK 88 to be exact I just checked my last receipt) for a 16oz bottle.

Based on what everyone is saying, I shouldn't be using it anyway so I likely won't (I used it at first mixed with my spray water cause I got paranoid about cobweb but in reality, I was just helicoptering too much).

As someone who studies Economics, I do think cost-averaging is important, especially if one is to grow large amounts, or even small amounts often...

But that stuff is NOT even cheaper than Peroxide LOLOLOL.  I get 2 bottles of 16 oz Peroxide for $1.76. IF it is true that the stuff you are talking about is stronger, which I am not even sure if I can trust because you also say it is cheaper which it sure isn't, then I would need 2 bottles of peroxide to = 1 bottle of your stuff.  Your stuff is $2.99 a bottle.

Do you work for the company that makes that stuff and things are slow during COVID? And you found out some mushers use peroxide and this is your angle? I am not trying to be rude but I am seriously perplexed...regardless of peroxide is good to use or not this advice just doesn't even make good economic sense.

I am hoping "SirSoaksAlot" is just a troll name and you are just having some fun, but regardless, welcome to shroomery. I am sure I have asked some dumb questions, and will again in the future...but I really hope you are a troll because otherwise, you are just giving bad advice....there are noobs that actually read this stuff and take it as gospel, c'mon man





It's not bad advice. It's solid advice that I have observed and used for the last few years. Years. I said the 20 vol, which is 6%, is cheaper than the 12%. Don't use 3%, although it was effective, as the 3% takes way longer on the sterilization charts and you may end up breeding resistant contaminates. Use the nuke, not the MOAB in this case.

I can't wait to hear from others who have tried this and it saves a bag from the trash. I'm not even gentle about it, I mash the contaminated bag all into tiny pieces and make sure the fungus has a really bad day. It comes back every time.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26861975 - 08/04/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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TLDR: peroxide can get rid of cobweb but not much else from all I have read






Peroxide plasma and disinfectants are being used in hospitals and prisons because unlike ammonia based quats (leading cause of occupational asthma btw) and chlorine based cleaners, they don't leave any harmful gasses or residue. It simply breaks down into oxygen and water.

I can link you some literature if you're actually interested in it. The reason I linked Sally's is because most cities in the USA have these, but I'm positive you could find it somewhere cheaper or someplace cheaper and perhaps one with less stabilizers.

What I do worry about is that if used in an enclosed space, you could raise the oxygen levels too high which has pretty serious consequences, so please exercise caution and with adequate ventilation.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot] * 1
    #26861987 - 08/04/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just go away with this bullshit. 20 years of cultivator legacy concluded that peroxide doesn't help with anything.

Saying that instead of learning sterile technique and proper practices you dump peroxide on everything is one of most stupid and deluded things ever posted on this forum.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot]
    #26862372 - 08/04/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

OK, if you are talking about ONLY doing this on contaminated grows that are going to be trash, I don't really see any harm of trying to salvage some trash. Nothing to lose I suppose, but I wouldn't be comfortable eating some triched out mushrooms just because they started growing again.

Personally I would just rather do things right and try not to get contams. Thomas Edison failed like 1k times to make the lightbulb and it was worth persisting instead of getting stuck on trying to make one of the failures work rather than trying the next method.

I have a method of trying to save my contaminated jars too but it is a bit different than this method. I throw them in the well of 1 of my fruit trees! Maybe in the fall/winter when it isn't 111F degrees they will grow and if not IDGAF I don't need to grow molds.

Even if this method works I don't understand why you are so excited about it Sir? Why not just try to avoid contaminants in the first place?


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26862400 - 08/04/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It’s not hard to not have contaminated grows once you know how to pour plates and work in a SAB. This seems gross lol. And who knows what your actual intent is but anyone truly trying to help or develop a new style and sell their shit would post pictures and videos of success. Even if peroxide would kill all the bad stuff it would damage and stress the mycelium, I’ve seen this before just from light spritzing, and mess up your yields.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Roger Clemency] * 3
    #26862427 - 08/04/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

omg here we go with the fucking peroxide again i swear between this and the uncle bens shit ima lose my god damn mind


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26862435 - 08/04/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

and besides aint nobody comin in here with 5 posts and thinkn they gnna teach anyone anything for all we know youve never even grown a fruit so id stop with the holier than thou bullshit and maybe prove yourself to the group of ppl here before you go making statements like that. thats like me goin into nasa and sayin hi u dont know who i am or what i do but im here to teach u how to build rocketships


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26862481 - 08/04/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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MrTinAZ said:
OK, if you are talking about ONLY doing this on contaminated grows that are going to be trash, I don't really see any harm of trying to salvage some trash.




The harm is that time, energy, and fruiting space are finite. Why waste those tending to heavily weakened myc when one can just go and do more lab work? Posts like this are potentially harmful for newbies, might mislead them into thinking there's shortcuts around good sterile technique.

Also, he hasn't posted a single picture or shred of evidence that his "tek" is effective whatsoever. This is shaping up to be the typical "new revolution in mycology" posted without evidence by a new account that we get every month or so.

Planting contaminated spawn outside is the right move, imo. Composting it can also yield surprise fruits.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Rapjack] * 2
    #26862506 - 08/04/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:clintonshuh:

Pics or it didn't happen. I've got 100 bucks on your being full of shit. But i've been wrong before.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26862509 - 08/04/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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verum subsequentis said:
:clintonshuh:

Pics or it didn't happen. I've got 100 bucks on your being full of shit. But i've been wrong before.




il add a hundo to that


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: jcm4620]
    #26862515 - 08/04/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

hey buddy. Nice tag. I've just rainbow farming my balls off through the apocalypse in an area without wifi. I hate navigating this site on my phone so i just haven't been popping in much. That should be changing soon though.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26862612 - 08/04/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

thanx man😃😃 ya all i have is my phone so i feel ya lol but glad to see ur still around and im also waiting n wishing for the meteor to hit lol


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot]
    #26862779 - 08/04/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Seems super legit. Just waiting on all the pictures you're gonna post of your amazing success  :anticipation:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #26862883 - 08/04/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I knew if I gave it a day this would be a fun read... :popcorn: That quick flaming reminded me of like early-2000s Shroomery.  Points to OP for maintaining positivity after being berated.  0 points for technique.  10 points for a positive attitude.  Garden/outdoors is where tamtams go.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26862996 - 08/04/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

From what I understand about peroxide... doesn't it break down most really anything organic-wise? I've seen it eat through potato... no way am I gonna use that on my precious myc.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: mushhead]
    #26863080 - 08/04/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it punishes cube/most myc.  Only place I've seen any practical application is cleaning up filthy wild saphrophyte clone samples from species that have thin tissue you can't get inner tissue from (like that pesky trametes you found in your backyard that turns shades every time it hits agar).  Even then there are other tricks to the trade...


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: jcm4620]
    #26863444 - 08/04/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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verum subsequentis said:
:clintonshuh:

Pics or it didn't happen. I've got 100 bucks on your being full of shit. But i've been wrong before.



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jcm4620 said:
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verum subsequentis said:
:clintonshuh:

Pics or it didn't happen. I've got 100 bucks on your being full of shit. But i've been wrong before.




il add a hundo to that




Nice lol, want my paypal? I'm kidding, I don't want your money and understand your sentiments. I'll deliver because I have the years of proof this works. Thursday would be a good day since it's my first day off work. Does thursday work for you?

Look, I don't need a SAB or good technique, because I have great technique, a flow hood and lots of different agar mixes for different applications. As much as any of you want to say you're perfect, we all know that contams happen, this technique will fix that. You won't suffer from fresh air exchange if you use peroxide, because it DELIVERS fresh air and water. I can't stress this enough, you can rescue a failed grow this way and the science is solid.

Here, for example, let's say you're into a stone producer. You ply through all that grain or whatever you use and get your stones. What next? Add more grain, dunk the remains in peroxide, you're getting a whole new harvest. It's perpetual. Years of drowning fungus in peroxide has made me a believer that you can't over do it.

I love that some of you dump the contams in your compost or gardens. Plants make fungus so incredibly happy because it gives them purpose and they like trading. If you do that, keep on doing it because it's good practice to think of your fungus as friends, not just producers.

I get you're jaded, don't want to hear it, but I've yet to hear from anyone who hasn't dismissed this out of hand. 6% peroxide will kill everything but your fungus, it's why it's being used to sterilize institutions around the country. It's safe, effective and breaks down to two simple things: oxygen and water.


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    #26863454 - 08/04/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah it punishes cube/most myc.  Only place I've seen any practical application is cleaning up filthy wild saphrophyte clone samples from species that have thin tissue you can't get inner tissue from (like that pesky trametes you found in your backyard that turns shades every time it hits agar).  Even then there are other tricks to the trade...




I'd say they don't enjoy the experience, but it beats being eaten by a rival mold or fungus, so they know you're doing it with good intentions. It certainly doesn't kill them. Now, I can only speak about this with first hand knowledge for a handful of mushroom varieties, and someone out there may have first hand knowledge of what I don't know. But together we can fill in the gaps. Working together is the best option, so please, share what you know and I'll share what I know with the best intentions.


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    #26863457 - 08/04/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Seems super legit. Just waiting on all the pictures you're gonna post of your amazing success  :anticipation:




I work long hours, but if it helps, I can probably snap some pics and host them before I sleep in the AM. This OP can deliver.


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    #26863460 - 08/04/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I knew if I gave it a day this would be a fun read... :popcorn: That quick flaming reminded me of like early-2000s Shroomery.  Points to OP for maintaining positivity after being berated.  0 points for technique.  10 points for a positive attitude.  Garden/outdoors is where tamtams go.




Been reading here since the early 2000's, I know how it goes. I'm not a noob and have all the lab equipment I dreamed of as a young adult, actually, too much so I tend to help out locally with people just getting into it. Life is way too much fun to let others dampen your shine, even if they don't believe, I have all the proof I need to know for certain this works. I'm confident I'm correct through experimentation.


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    #26863506 - 08/04/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol. I'm not sure it cures all, but certainly kills all but mature fungus. I love that pic you have of the grain jar, that's beautiful.


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    #26863512 - 08/04/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I never see the canopy pics of how it’s supposed to look when the peroxide bs works. I know how my grows look without me even having peroxide in the house. No ones changing my mind. I need more “wow” factor to buy into this.


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    #26863516 - 08/04/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I love that pic you have of the grain jar, that's beautiful.



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    #26863526 - 08/04/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That mushrooms will still grow from spawn to that's been soaked in peroxide doesn't define success. I can still drive my car after I tear a quarter panel off on a guardrail and go careening into a ditch, and fuck over a bearing, say.  It runs, but now my car isn't what it could have been if I'd stuck to the road.  It's a car, but goddamn it.  It's a mess when it didn't have to be. You want to grow cubensis properly, you produce clean spawn; period.  This site is where people go for optimal info/correct info.  There's already an issue with this plethora of old, shitty teks that need to be culled without the addition of wild proclamations.  I appreciate your incredibly positive attitude and respectful responses.  I really do.  I also agree that working together is the way to roll.  That simply won't change the fact that clean spawn and good technique trumps saving shit spawn any day of any week.  Period.  It's not an argument.  It's just a fact.  You get a WAY better BE if you produce clean spawn and create/maintain good conditions for it.  It's important that new growers know that, and not try things that "worked" for you that might totally fuck them in the ass.  I don't think you deserved two shitty ratings for having a bad opinion for Christ's sake, but you are spreading bad info and touting it as solid AF.  But you do you.  I'm glad you're getting harvests and wish you well.


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    #26863552 - 08/04/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Just go away with this bullshit. 20 years of cultivator legacy concluded that peroxide doesn't help with anything.

Saying that instead of learning sterile technique and proper practices you dump peroxide on everything is one of most stupid and deluded things ever posted on this forum.




It's good for disinfecting your work area. Kills mildew, mold, ECT. It's not as good as bleach but less harsh on fabrics and some surfaces and won't break your spray bottles.


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    #26863559 - 08/04/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is an epic thread. This guy really doesn't seem to be trolling, but his claims sound so ludicrous at face value

I'm down to try it w/ one of my current epic fail tubs. Not because I think it will work, but because this whole thing is amusing enough for me to want to join in


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    #26863578 - 08/04/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:whatshesaid:

I'm open to seeing pictures of tubs with good yields that were mixed with peroxide - but I trust Pasty when he says it won't happen.

If you have contamination and you're just trying to save your cakes, just improve your sterile technique rather than wasting time & effort with peroxide


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    #26863585 - 08/04/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The best way to beat contamination is to simply not have it in the first place.


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Waiting for that evidence :popcorn:


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Word. :thumbup:


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    #26863778 - 08/05/20 03:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Might be some arguing across eachother here.

Clean spawn will always win. But I'm reading the magic peroxide treatment as being useful for when you do end up with some dirty grains for whatever failure you made on the way.

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    #26863801 - 08/05/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Proof?

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    #26863872 - 08/05/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He’s been doing this for years. If that or any of this story were true he would’ve posted pictures right away. We all grow mushrooms and I bet every one of us has more pics of our stuff than any reasonable human should.

Then there’s the hard fact of believing whatever we (won’t ever) see. I could post a nice canopy and say yeah this is that same tub I showed before with trich everywhere, after soaking in my beauty salon soup, fully submerged for 82 hours at 12% Peroxide and 86f, all while sprinkling feta cheese into the mix.

Some trolls / outlandish posts are funny, some I’m just like ...hmm and others like mea culpa I just don’t know wtf to think.


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    #26863877 - 08/05/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

meaculpa that fucktard i do not miss 1 bit lol the name that shall not be spoken lol


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    #26863913 - 08/05/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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He’s been doing this for years. If that or any of this story were true he would’ve posted pictures right away. We all grow mushrooms and I bet every one of us has more pics of our stuff than any reasonable human should.

Then there’s the hard fact of believing whatever we (won’t ever) see. I could post a nice canopy and say yeah this is that same tub I showed before with trich everywhere, after soaking in my beauty salon soup, fully submerged for 82 hours at 12% Peroxide and 86f, all while sprinkling feta cheese into the mix.

Some trolls / outlandish posts are funny, some I’m just like ...hmm and others like mea culpa I just don’t know wtf to think.




I'm sorry you feel so negative about things. I mean, as soon as I get a day off (tomorrow) I'll tear through my photo folder and find whatever I can use from one of the science fair projects.

Here, just got home, it'll take two days to rebound but I'll take more tomorrow morning when I get back from work and again the next days that I have off. I can't prove its the same bag or that I did anything but what I said I did, but I think that's entirely up to you and to what you really want to believe. I can only show the truth, but your reality is subjective.


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As already posted, I don't close the bags, no need. It's like 70-99 degrees in my garage during the day night cycle with 10-20% humidity.Heres to having some good pictures to share with you all and relieving the stress some of you seem to be experiencing.


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    #26863928 - 08/05/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

lol how convenient


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    #26863932 - 08/05/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

99 deg lol ur retarded


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    #26863947 - 08/05/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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As already posted, I don't close the bags, no need. It's like 70-99 degrees in my garage during the day night cycle with 10-20% humidity.Heres to having some good pictures to share with you all and relieving the stress some of you seem to be experiencing.




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    #26863959 - 08/05/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He tried to embed an image using an imgbb link... Here they are. You can just inspect the broken picture using the console and follow the link manually.

Warning, they are gross. The first and last appear to be the same.

https://proxy.mind-media.com/proxy.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fibb.co%2FqMSSshP

https://proxy.mind-media.com/proxy.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fibb.co%2F6X821Nk

https://proxy.mind-media.com/proxy.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fibb.co%2FHnbf8JW

https://proxy.mind-media.com/proxy.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fibb.co%2FvD46w7B

I only want other people to see it because it appears he is legitimately doing what he says... No proof of a successful grow yet though.


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    #26863966 - 08/05/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i'll admit I miss meaculpa
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    #26863984 - 08/05/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

not me thats how bad information gets spread to ppl who dont know any better. thats what my problem is here


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    #26864001 - 08/05/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have no idea about how peroxide breaks down but if it really can infuse oxygen into the sub that’s the only interesting thing for me.

Like forget all the contam fighting talk and peroxide history here and look at it as “hey I found a way to have the sub produce it’s own fresh air”.

Seems like it would be known by now but you can never be sure.


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    #26864022 - 08/05/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i have a way to have all the fae a sub needs too.

its called a monotub


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    #26864026 - 08/05/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

lol akas throwin gas on the fire lol i luv ya man 😂😂😂


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not me thats how bad information gets spread to ppl who dont know any better. thats what my problem is here




sure, but I'd like to think the community response was overwhelming enough to make it clear that what meaculpa was up to was NOT advisable, to say the least

I have been around enough to understand why others would not share that expectation though


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    #26864057 - 08/05/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

ya tht guy got on my nerves to the extent of my patience to say the least lol. then u had allbthe ppl that didnt know what he was doin just adding to it lol but thats why hes banned now right👍😃


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    #26864060 - 08/05/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds easy enough to try on a grow you know is likely to fail. And with the "peroxide does nothing" argument I'm sure just about everyone that has tried it has used the 3% garbage you get in the medicine isle at Walmart. I've used 30% for other things before, that shit is no joke. PPE highly recommended.

Personally I'd like to see some experimentation with this among the community :grin:


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    #26864075 - 08/05/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

All I know is that people who claim to regularly “salvage” projects never seem to have pics of anything good, ever. I’d rather have jaw dropping success than figure out how to pull crap while cutting corners all day long.


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Sounds easy enough to try on a grow you know is likely to fail. And with the "peroxide does nothing" argument I'm sure just about everyone that has tried it has used the 3% garbage you get in the medicine isle at Walmart. I've used 30% for other things before, that shit is no joke. PPE highly recommended.

Personally I'd like to see some experimentation with this among the community :grin:




It probably goes without saying, but be extremely careful with high concentration Hydrogen peroxide. It is highly reactive and can react to form other explosive peroxides and other nasty things quite readily. There is a reason only 3% is readily available to the public.

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    #26864143 - 08/05/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Solution a) use potentially explosive and reactive chemicals to salvage a crap grow resulting in a crap yield and more crap grows in the future.

Solution b) use proper methods and procedures to avoid needing to salvage anything and have killer grows.

Seriously I don’t see how this is even a question in most people’s minds :shrug:


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    #26864168 - 08/05/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Solution a) use potentially explosive and reactive chemicals to salvage a crap grow resulting in a crap yield and more crap grows in the future.

Solution b) use proper methods and procedures to avoid needing to salvage anything and have killer grows.

Seriously I don’t see how this is even a question in most people’s minds :shrug:




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All I know is that people who claim to regularly “salvage” projects never seem to have pics of anything good, ever. I’d rather have jaw dropping success than figure out how to pull crap while cutting corners all day long.




About salvaging I personally don’t want to salvage pure poo, if it is bad to the fullest, but if I can cut a corner off spray it with some peroxide slow down some contam and make something out of it I will. And I have. Not because I want to salvage crap, but I like to experiment. Many different parts of this are fun. I read quite a few things about how much you don’t like uncle bens, think that was you. But by no means am I doing it because it’s lazy, nor do I care to make it a tek. Literally just dicking around experimenting, friend of mine had some GT cubes big as his for arm. I’d much rather stick to my grain bags. But shit why not? Try it once say I did. Like cocaine.....
Stood this sub up after losing half, spray contam spots with peroxide prior to turning it into this. Had some huge fruits for what it produced before this too. Also they all were potent. I sorted each time I pulled into different bags tested each one separately.


I’ve done peroxide on some of my projects sprayed heavy amounts to little mists. Only thing it did was slow contam down if anything.


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    #26864192 - 08/05/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Solution a) use potentially explosive and reactive chemicals to salvage a crap grow resulting in a crap yield and more crap grows in the future.

Solution b) use proper methods and procedures to avoid needing to salvage anything and have killer grows.

Seriously I don’t see how this is even a question in most people’s minds :shrug:




Fair points, but some people just like to tinker :wink:




I love tinkering but I do it in ways that are fun and cool. Spraying chemicals on mold isn’t cool, it’s weak. Get creative, spawn a bathtub or grow some fruits in a vase. Really search for a high production clone that shatters bio efficiency. Like try and create something. Try and learn something from the fails. Don’t settle for mediocrity. I dunno I guess I expect too much from people.


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    #26864210 - 08/05/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I am definitely open to hearing more about it and seeing evidence of its efficacy. The oxygenation part does have some validity, perhaps less as a disinfectant but more as an added oxygen source.

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I am definitely open to hearing more about it and seeing evidence of its efficacy. The oxygenation part does have some validity, perhaps less as a disinfectant but more as an added oxygen source.

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I'm not sure I understand the hypothesis re: oxygen. we're talking about drowning a sub in at most 12% H2O2, where the H2O2 will immediately react with all the organic material it comes across, then the O2 is released as gas while the tub sits in the water that's left behind from the reaction for what sounds like 24 hours or so. then you dump that water out, and along with it, whatever O2 had been hanging out in the tub.


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    #26864790 - 08/05/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why would anybody want to salvage contaminated food is beyond me. I guess if it was your only source. But we (you guys) have spent countless hours to make the best we can and share that valuable information.

  Seems like really poor practices. And something that can lead to danger.


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    #26864855 - 08/05/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds more like “ ive been growing for years  but never had a succesful grow  so instead of learning proper technique  i just dunk my shit in chemicles and maybe get a few measley fruits “

Instead of spouting bullshit advice that some poor fuck will prob try n ruin there shit and get discouraged and quit , why dont you learn proper methods and actually get stellar results and contribute something useful to the community.

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I love this whole thread.
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    #26865370 - 08/05/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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All I know is that people who claim to regularly “salvage” projects never seem to have pics of anything good, ever. I’d rather have jaw dropping success than figure out how to pull crap while cutting corners all day long.




About salvaging I personally don’t want to salvage pure poo, if it is bad to the fullest, but if I can cut a corner off spray it with some peroxide slow down some contam and make something out of it I will. And I have. Not because I want to salvage crap, but I like to experiment. Many different parts of this are fun. I read quite a few things about how much you don’t like uncle bens, think that was you. But by no means am I doing it because it’s lazy, nor do I care to make it a tek. Literally just dicking around experimenting, friend of mine had some GT cubes big as his for arm. I’d much rather stick to my grain bags. But shit why not? Try it once say I did. Like cocaine.....
Stood this sub up after losing half, spray contam spots with peroxide prior to turning it into this. Had some huge fruits for what it produced before this too. Also they all were potent. I sorted each time I pulled into different bags tested each one separately.


I’ve done peroxide on some of my projects sprayed heavy amounts to little mists. Only thing it did was slow contam down if anything.




Cool story. That sub looks like my trash. I’d rather not dick around with Uncle Bens, Aunt Jemima, or Orville Redenbacher. I prefer to not need to saw chunks of mold out. While you’re messing around to salvage some junk, I want to be trying to figure out where to start harvesting the next canopy. I want 4 dehydrators running around the clock and a house that smells like feet.


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    #26865524 - 08/05/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have used peroxide directly into my brf cakes starting about 2004. Back then there was plenty of discussion about this and I tried so much Crap over the years. I've tried to kill trich with it. It dies back and returns and that entire patch that was trich is useless. But, if you really want to salvage the grow dig the trich out and then spray the area with peroxide.  IME trich shows up late anyway, 3rd flush or so. FK it. I just dump it. I stopped using Peroxide into my brf cakes and wbs grows. I see no real advantage.


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    #26865527 - 08/05/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh come now. You know one man's trash us another man's treasure... unfortunately.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26865540 - 08/05/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Cool story. That sub looks like my trash. I’d rather not dick around with Uncle Bens, Aunt Jemima, or Orville Redenbacher. I prefer to not need to saw chunks of mold out. While you’re messing around to salvage some junk, I want to be trying to figure out where to start harvesting the next canopy. I want 4 dehydrators running around the clock and a house that smells like feet.




I mean back at you I guess......cool story bro your house smells like that and you can do all that. Honestly mad props for being expert or whatever you deem yourself. But doesn’t mean you can’t have a canopy going and experiments too after your canopies or however you want to juggle it.
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    #26865560 - 08/05/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh come now. You know one man's trash us another man's treasure... unfortunately.




But why would anyone settle for the trash tub above when you could have this



It’s not hard, it’s not even that expensive for the proper equipment either. Why are we peroxiding grows when we could just grow well? By the “one mans trash...” argument I could potentially find a market for my dogs shits. Only $15.99 a lb! Cheap!


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26865578 - 08/05/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Rampant contamination of someone’s apt, closet, etc is unnecessary and a pain in the ass to rectify. Telling folks H2O2 will solve their contamination issues in the manner you have done is irresponsible and dangerous. Most of us have toyed with peroxide for whatever reason and know it is not the answer to contamination. Put it in pitri dishes.. lol so it can spread the bacteria around? So it splashes out and takes with it the contamination? While we are at it let’s wipe our wet hands on our clothes and touch everything!  Yes! Hey grab the antibiotic ointment I have a brilliant idea!

Stop it.

Pasty nailed it - put your efforts into something else.

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    #26865630 - 08/05/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly it’s not like I’ve never fixed anything. I’ve salted lots of trich. I’ve told people how to do it so they can save a flush that’s coming in.  But it’s not a skill one should be looking to hone or advocating to people. It’s not a law, it’s just my opinion.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26865691 - 08/06/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Honestly it’s not like I’ve never fixed anything. I’ve salted lots of trich. I’ve told people how to do it so they can save a flush that’s coming in.  But it’s not a skill one should be looking to hone or advocating to people. It’s not a law, it’s just my opinion.




Well yeah I’m not going with OP and soaking that shit or giving it the thought. I’m just saying after my 3rd flush in my sub that you called trash, I mean after that 3rd flush it wasn’t anything but trash soon to be gone anyways, so I experimented. I used some peroxide to try to help but it was obv inevitable. But before I put it in the dirtI felt like doing that. So I get your drift. No reason to do this if you can be clean from the get go. I’m more so meaning when all that’s left is a super shrunk sub holding on after a few flushes. Why not experiment?


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    #26865708 - 08/06/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don’t really consider using peroxide to coax a few fruits out an experiment :shrug: contamination isn’t something to play around with IMO.


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I'm wondering how anyone could be so desperate to save a contaminated grow.


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    #26865783 - 08/06/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You shroomerites who are putting this down, saying to "just learn a proper technique", are coming off patronizing and smug. I know where you are coming from, i too throw out anything contaminated rather than trying to somehow salvage it. Learning a proper way to grow is infinitely more valuable than salvaging contaminated projects. But thats not to say, that i cant see a value in this (IF it works that is).

Lets say, for example, hypothetically, that you have a culture that has some special meaning for you, and the only way to save it, is to grow a fruit you can clone out of a tub, that got contaminated. In such situations would something like this be useful. :shrug:

That being sad, i think this guy is a troll, and this method doesnt work (although maybe it works for gnats infestation?). Lets focus on why this method does/doesnt work, rather than humiliating it. This way will this thread at least have some value for the beginning cultivators who will stumble upon it in the future.

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    #26865801 - 08/06/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Can we stop pretending that cutting out trich and spraying it is good practice. Most of us grow inside, and most contamination not only is super fucking efficient, but they also love the same food the mushrooms do. The best thing to do with contam is to get it the fuck out of your house and grow space to avoid any future headaches.


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    #26865807 - 08/06/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Can we stop pretending that cutting out trich and spraying it is good practice. Most of us grow inside, and most contamination not only is super fucking efficient, but they also love the same food the mushrooms do. The best thing to do with contam is to get it the fuck out of your house and grow space to avoid any future headaches.



Literally no one is saying that...


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Can we stop pretending that cutting out trich and spraying it is good practice. Most of us grow inside, and most contamination not only is super fucking efficient, but they also love the same food the mushrooms do. The best thing to do with contam is to get it the fuck out of your house and grow space to avoid any future headaches.



Literally no one is saying that...




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    #26866016 - 08/06/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

IME once trich gets a hold on your grow it's over. If it happens early and you want to get a flush out of it you can use the dig out peroxide method. Spray the area liberally and then dig it out and respray. The trich will come back. It will eventually take over your grow. I personally don't want a trich filled tray near my other grows but if its your only grow or its a mono tub grow its ok but when you get your flush you should ditch it.  Trying to keep trich completely out of your house or grow area is not easy. I'm sure some here have successfully done it but it's not something you can do accidentally or by simply removing trich contaminated shit right away(but I do remove it right anyway). I have never tried the OP technique but have used peroxide. Use of peroxide to sterilize isn't new or a new idea and was talked about and tried 15+ years ago by members. Some reported success. I didn't try it. A PC and improving my techniques got me to where I wanted to be.


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    #26866085 - 08/06/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My yields are relatively small but my God I would just start over if needed.


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    #26866099 - 08/06/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. But when I first started, any potential way to save a grow or to get a few shrooms out of a contaminated grow was welcome. I printed every shroom (unless they were in a contaminated tray). Every shroom was important to me and I would try anything to save a grow. I don't have have those problems now but I remember the feeling.


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Can we stop pretending that cutting out trich and spraying it is good practice. Most of us grow inside, and most contamination not only is super fucking efficient, but they also love the same food the mushrooms do. The best thing to do with contam is to get it the fuck out of your house and grow space to avoid any future headaches.



Literally no one is saying that...




That's the entire premise of this thread. The title is "Stop throwing away your contaminated anything" which means start making it regular practice.

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Lets say, for example, hypothetically, that you have a culture that has some special meaning for you, and the only way to save it, is to grow a fruit you can clone out of a tub, that got contaminated. In such situations would something like this be useful. :shrug:




That suggests some poor planning up that point, but...

it would be an act of desperation which carries high risk of failure and low odds of success. As such, it should never become regular practice.


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    #26866217 - 08/06/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

when u guys go to make a sandwich and you find a spot of mold on the bread. do u go to the first aid box and pull out your super duper all powerful trusty peroxide and give it a spritz and just continue on with the penut butter?? or do you just throw the shit away and pay better attention in the future how you store your bread?? and when did something that was really meant for infections start being a treatment for molds anyway all this outdated bad information needs to just go the fuck away already

PEROXIDE HAS ZERO I FUCKING REPEAT ZERO USE IN THIS HOBBY PERIOD!!!!!!!

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    #26866228 - 08/06/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl:

So true. I don't stand for anything moldy in my kitchen, why on Earth would I stand for mold in my mushrooms?


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    #26866272 - 08/06/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said: I want 4 dehydrators running around the clock and a house that smells like feet.




I laughed because this happens all the time and I honestly DO forget it's the 160L dehydrators causing the stench.
I have apologized many times to my significant other for thinking it was them. :stinkyshroom:

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But it’s not a skill one should be looking to hone or advocating to people. It’s not a law, it’s just my opinion.




Also agreed. It's kind of common sense. In the same time and effort you use to try and salvage something like this, you could have already been working on the next thing and also doing a better job, while at it. It's a part of the learning process, and to me, more valuable to fail and try again and finally succeed rather than to cling to the hope and old ways. It teaches you to sit there and fight contams, not really figure how to overcome them altogether, which IMO, is the most important aspect.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #26866404 - 08/06/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol ! Your poor partner, they know the foot smell is you not them lol!!

Oh my lol.

Also I can understand the want to salvage but as was stated you learn and move on from those practices.


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    #26866778 - 08/06/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Those pics are absolutely disgusting. I felt like a noob throwing out my bad jars, but I learned from it and made some decent grows. Then I felt like a noob reading old threads and thinking 10% peroxide + water (peroxide is 3% so really this is like .3%) and my mycelium TURNED BLUE just because I panicked and thought I had cobweb when I did not, and this was just a bit too much water and a tiny bit of peroxide so I am sure "SoakingAlot" of water + peroxide will do worse. I really hope this is just a long extended troll post.

The only reason I ever used peroxide is cause I read old posts similar to this one, but they didn't sound as unbelievable, bad information can set back new growers as it did myself so I don't want to see others make the same mistakes I did.

That picture shared is absolutely DISGUSTING I am not sure how that white goo proves anything.

That bag looks like it would be more likely to grow penicillin than mushrooms :laugh:


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    #26866905 - 08/06/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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when u guys go to make a sandwich and you find a spot of mold on the bread. do u go to the first aid box and pull out your super duper all powerful trusty peroxide and give it a spritz and just continue on with the penut butter?? or do you just throw the shit away and pay better attention in the future how you store your bread?? and when did something that was really meant for infections start being a treatment for molds anyway all this outdated bad information needs to just go the fuck away already

PEROXIDE HAS ZERO I FUCKING REPEAT ZERO USE IN THIS HOBBY PERIOD!!!!!!!

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That was a bad example, now if I have moldy bread and the bread in the back is still good no mold and barely some on the front pieces damn straight I’d eat it. Just different lifestyles.
Just like your sub it has a shelf life it will eventually go into the trash or yard. Same with bread, but for some people like someone said before it’s all you got, then yeah you’d toss the moldy piece of bread and not go starving. But like you said I’d still learned from it. Now I’m gonna eat my bread quicker or check it more often.


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    #26867969 - 08/07/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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PEROXIDE HAS ZERO I FUCKING REPEAT ZERO USE IN THIS HOBBY PERIOD!!!!!!!

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Really? Stop simply quoting other members.

I can quote other members all day long. These are two I found in just a few minutes. There are thousands of post with peroxide uses by real and trusted members who are NOT trolls. 




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Potato Dextrose Yeast Agar (PDYA)

500 ml water
9 to 10 grams agar
7 grams of honey
5 grams of instant potato flakes (Potato Buds brand)
1 gram nutritional yeast

Cut out a wedge from the stem.
Cut away any outside part of the stem.

Dip it in a 10 to 1 mix of Water and Hydrogen Peroxide.

Then put wedge onto agar.

This is the results.
South African clone


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I'd suggest holding off on any peroxide at all until/unless you see cobweb mold.  Then put it in a sprayer and you can use it full strength right out of the bottle.  Mycelium doesn't like peroxide, but will recover from it.  Cobweb mold will literally disappear before your eyes when sprayed with H2O2. 




The day you have more experience that RoadKill ...let me know. It takes decades to explore the myco world.

Peroxide is and has always been a controversial subject so please don't just repeat what others have said. What is your experience? If you have none with using peroxide then just sit back and wait for others who do have this experience. Obviously some will have differing opinions and results.

Let me say that this forum is sliding into tyranny. Led by certain members and their sheep like followers. This has created a hostile environment where everyone who disagrees with These Certain members is ridiculed by their numerous followers or possibly banned. This forum used to be about sharing. Sharing success and failure and experimenting with new techniques and recipes. It is no longer that. It is a 'follow the leader' or else you will be berated for your efforts or opinions.  This stifles experimentation and participation.  The TC tag was created to give you a solid person that will help you with proven tech's and answers IT WAS NOT created to provide that member with a forum in which to 'beat down' new members often badgering them so badly on their 1st post that they never come back to this hostile environment.  Experimenting and participating has led to all the new techs we use here. You don't want to kill that spirit of experimentation!  STOP quoting others when it comes to controversial subjects and try it your damn self!  The 1st mention of Hydrogen Peroxide on this forum was in 1999. Where were you in '99?

I am doing some experimenting with the OP's techniques just to see WTF happens. I will post pictures.


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    #26868041 - 08/07/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This forum is still about sharing. I learn new things every day. I'm allowed to think for myself and simultaneously agree with a TC and vice versa. Not because of a need to be accepted, rather, by the freedom to think that I would rather not fiddle with contamination and put things more at risk. Perhaps it's a genuine difference of perception, and not the tyrannical hierarchy you're projecting.

We can all agree to disagree. The projection as 'why' that occurs seems a little presumptuous to me and perhaps, even foolish. Help can be offered in many forms just as many times people can't receive help when it does come their way. I perceive the TC's to also be helping as they're trying to help in terms of efficiency and will speak up on bad information. Is it not also their duty to protect what's true versus what isn't? In this case, I think the point is being made that the advantages of tossing and starting anew far outweighs this tek.

Some of us simply don't want to risk it that far to find out and will negate this tek completely. That is also ok. That's part of the sharing - the option to write and respond as to why it wouldn't be a good idea for yourself and to make it known for others who may also think alike. If it works, that's awesome! It shouldn't be slandered for those who definitely DO want to try it. But that's not to stop anyone from speaking their mind who disagrees. Discussion should always be had.  :cheers:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #26868136 - 08/07/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomrookie is right. Too much badgering people for something they are experimenting why it’s called that. Test it out and go from there. Not like there isn’t any evidence at all that peroxide can kill and slow down certain things.
No one wants help from people who are gonna smash their ideas and projects.
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    #26868142 - 08/07/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that this would be bad advice if it were given as a direct answer to a noobs question but it was not. I was simply information by a new member on what has worked for him. IDK why he wanted to do it this way and IDC. I think that all of Bod's and Pasty's post on teks are all you need and would never have experimented the way the OP did. But it's curious. I am only looking to see if this or something like this works. I just want to see IF it works. I'm not going to change to this method. I have way too much invested and constructed to change. I have to set stuff outside to get any real contamination but I'm doing it on a 3rd flush small isolation just to see.


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    #26868158 - 08/07/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I feel that. Pasty has some top of the line material to read and get knowledge on, smart dude.  And I wouldn’t give the this a try because of how easy it is to grow correctly like they were mentioning. But it does have the slightest curiosity to it is all.


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    #26868164 - 08/07/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like while some people on this thread are just downright putting peroxide out of the question, most of the criticism is aimed at the OP. See statements in bold:
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SirSoaksAlot said:
I would like to help you all revolutionize your grows and spread the love of fungi in the easiest and foolproof method.
Here’s the deal, you don’t need expensive tools to do it! Stop thinking like you need a flow hood or even a sterile area to do this work. It’s no longer necessary.
I took care of all the work and research for you. For three years now I’ve done whatever I could to kill my samples. Now, there’s some caveats, so it’s not the end of all your problems, but it solves most.
Yes, I am writing this dramatically. Greatnewseveryone.gif so let’s get down to the basics:
1: contamination is no longer an issue




It seems like a lot of people come on the shroomery and make their first post with something along these lines which may be why peroxide gets so much flak. Yes it may have uses for cobweb or saving dying substrates, but these uses are far better solved by other methods. And certainly not by replacing SABs or flowhoods with peroxide like the OP suggests.

I think the TC's have just been at this for so long and get tired of seeing the same post over and over again when people should be UTFSE before coming along and acting like they've revolutionized cultivation. I mean Pasty literally made multiple guides on how not to get facepalmed & how to make awesome posts and whatnot.

So yeah TC's can be blunt but I don't blame them. I think we are confusing being blunt with being condescending. Fact is that they know how to grow better than 95% of the people on this site.

Just my :twocents::twocents: feel free to offer criticism :thumbup:


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    #26868181 - 08/07/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh no. Your right. I never post much because the search engine provides most everything. It's all been asked and answered.

Yes. The OP is a little bit over the top but I would never think that calling him a 'troll'(which is near to slander in the message board world) is the right way to go about it.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868199 - 08/07/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You post stupid shit and people are going to label it as trolling.

The point of mushroom cultivation is growing mushrooms. Not barely pulling off some measly fruits.

Shroomery.org Not halfassery.org

Aldo that roadkill quote is probably decades old:lol:


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    #26868207 - 08/07/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol. Why would I every want to argue with mushboy?  True. I just want new members to feel welcome even when they are wrong and not afraid to post or ask questions.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868212 - 08/07/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

New members with new or old questions are always welcome.

People who spout noob shit/misinformation as ground breaking methods will be mocked and ridiculed.
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    #26868219 - 08/07/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you say so. But didn't you use peroxide back in the day? I wouldn't turn away members just turn them. Prove them wrong not alienate them.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868223 - 08/07/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I used peroxide a handful of times to sterilize the inside of my tubs. And a few times to cool my flamed ms syringe needle. That's how I've used it no lie over 15yrs ago.

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    #26868228 - 08/07/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I remember you all though my time here. I've read most all of you techs. I know that you know what time it is. It's just when and upstart badgers and upstart...


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    #26868298 - 08/07/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

the ops name says it all

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    #26868314 - 08/07/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Some of our most celebrated and world famous TCs had awesome troll accounts back in the 2012-15 era. It’s usually easy to spot a troll, the more difficult task is trying to figure out if it’s someone who knows what’s up and is coo or if it’s a disgruntled mold farmer trying to sow chaos with Cheeto stained fingers.


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    #26868331 - 08/07/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Peroxidated Agar

Yep, 20/1 water/3%H2O2. BTW, that peroxide jar of agar I left unsealed never contamed. Not at all. Actually, it is now dry and shrively, but it never grew the nasties. see, this shit works.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/66592#66592

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    #26868356 - 08/07/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’ve got the hate. I don’t quite understand it but I look down on anyone using peroxide lol. Very judgmental of me. It gives me a visceral reaction.

I can see maybe dipping a wild specimen in before cloning if it’s something too thin or whatever to get clean tissue from inside. Using it in agar seems disgusting to me though. If there’s nasty shit I wanna see it. I don’t want to risk transferring mold spores or bacteria that weren’t allowed germinate by the agar to grain where they could definitely germinate. Supposedly the stuff is supposed to destroy them but the earth was also supposed to be flat damnit so who knows?

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    #26868360 - 08/07/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think that posts from 20 years ago have any weight to them now. Poor Mans Pods were still commonplace for TC's to use around that time as well to my knowledge. Nowadays PMPs would be laughable for growing cubes since there are newer fruiting cham

It's like how scientific articles from 20 years ago mean jack shit (unless no new information has come up since that discredits the article - which doesn't apply to the case of peroxide). Any reputable review articles on modern science will usually be within approximately 5 years of being published.

Not to say that the shroomery perfectly reflects the scientific method, but for the sake of validity, it is still worth basing our cultivation knowledge on similar principles.


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    #26868387 - 08/07/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomery didn't have TCs 20yrs ago:lol:


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    #26868431 - 08/07/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomery didn't have TCs 20yrs ago:lol:




I know that but he is one now. Does he now say that that post was a lie and that the peroxide doesn't work?


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    #26868435 - 08/07/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think that posts from 20 years ago have any weight to them now. Poor Mans Pods were still commonplace for TC's to use around that time as well to my knowledge. Nowadays PMPs would be laughable for growing cubes since there are newer fruiting cham

It's like how scientific articles from 20 years ago mean jack shit (unless no new information has come up since that discredits the article - which doesn't apply to the case of peroxide). Any reputable review articles on modern science will usually be within approximately 5 years of being published.

Not to say that the shroomery perfectly reflects the scientific method, but for the sake of validity, it is still worth basing our cultivation knowledge on similar principles.




I can't agree with you. Are you saying that micofile was lying?


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    #26868469 - 08/07/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He last logged on 12yrs ago. Who cares?


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    #26868474 - 08/07/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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Going nowhere.

Dont use peroxide in grows. It's not doing anything anyone thinks its doing. If you need it for real cobweb, take a million steps back and review your sterile technique.


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