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OfflineRagoo0192
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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: jcm4620]
    #26866905 - 08/06/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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when u guys go to make a sandwich and you find a spot of mold on the bread. do u go to the first aid box and pull out your super duper all powerful trusty peroxide and give it a spritz and just continue on with the penut butter?? or do you just throw the shit away and pay better attention in the future how you store your bread?? and when did something that was really meant for infections start being a treatment for molds anyway all this outdated bad information needs to just go the fuck away already

PEROXIDE HAS ZERO I FUCKING REPEAT ZERO USE IN THIS HOBBY PERIOD!!!!!!!

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That was a bad example, now if I have moldy bread and the bread in the back is still good no mold and barely some on the front pieces damn straight I’d eat it. Just different lifestyles.
Just like your sub it has a shelf life it will eventually go into the trash or yard. Same with bread, but for some people like someone said before it’s all you got, then yeah you’d toss the moldy piece of bread and not go starving. But like you said I’d still learned from it. Now I’m gonna eat my bread quicker or check it more often.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26867969 - 08/07/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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PEROXIDE HAS ZERO I FUCKING REPEAT ZERO USE IN THIS HOBBY PERIOD!!!!!!!

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Really? Stop simply quoting other members.

I can quote other members all day long. These are two I found in just a few minutes. There are thousands of post with peroxide uses by real and trusted members who are NOT trolls. 




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Roadkill said:
Potato Dextrose Yeast Agar (PDYA)

500 ml water
9 to 10 grams agar
7 grams of honey
5 grams of instant potato flakes (Potato Buds brand)
1 gram nutritional yeast

Cut out a wedge from the stem.
Cut away any outside part of the stem.

Dip it in a 10 to 1 mix of Water and Hydrogen Peroxide.

Then put wedge onto agar.

This is the results.
South African clone


1st transfer of the South African


The South African is a Mad Man!

 




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RogerRabbit said:
I'd suggest holding off on any peroxide at all until/unless you see cobweb mold.  Then put it in a sprayer and you can use it full strength right out of the bottle.  Mycelium doesn't like peroxide, but will recover from it.  Cobweb mold will literally disappear before your eyes when sprayed with H2O2. 




The day you have more experience that RoadKill ...let me know. It takes decades to explore the myco world.

Peroxide is and has always been a controversial subject so please don't just repeat what others have said. What is your experience? If you have none with using peroxide then just sit back and wait for others who do have this experience. Obviously some will have differing opinions and results.

Let me say that this forum is sliding into tyranny. Led by certain members and their sheep like followers. This has created a hostile environment where everyone who disagrees with These Certain members is ridiculed by their numerous followers or possibly banned. This forum used to be about sharing. Sharing success and failure and experimenting with new techniques and recipes. It is no longer that. It is a 'follow the leader' or else you will be berated for your efforts or opinions.  This stifles experimentation and participation.  The TC tag was created to give you a solid person that will help you with proven tech's and answers IT WAS NOT created to provide that member with a forum in which to 'beat down' new members often badgering them so badly on their 1st post that they never come back to this hostile environment.  Experimenting and participating has led to all the new techs we use here. You don't want to kill that spirit of experimentation!  STOP quoting others when it comes to controversial subjects and try it your damn self!  The 1st mention of Hydrogen Peroxide on this forum was in 1999. Where were you in '99?

I am doing some experimenting with the OP's techniques just to see WTF happens. I will post pictures.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868041 - 08/07/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This forum is still about sharing. I learn new things every day. I'm allowed to think for myself and simultaneously agree with a TC and vice versa. Not because of a need to be accepted, rather, by the freedom to think that I would rather not fiddle with contamination and put things more at risk. Perhaps it's a genuine difference of perception, and not the tyrannical hierarchy you're projecting.

We can all agree to disagree. The projection as 'why' that occurs seems a little presumptuous to me and perhaps, even foolish. Help can be offered in many forms just as many times people can't receive help when it does come their way. I perceive the TC's to also be helping as they're trying to help in terms of efficiency and will speak up on bad information. Is it not also their duty to protect what's true versus what isn't? In this case, I think the point is being made that the advantages of tossing and starting anew far outweighs this tek.

Some of us simply don't want to risk it that far to find out and will negate this tek completely. That is also ok. That's part of the sharing - the option to write and respond as to why it wouldn't be a good idea for yourself and to make it known for others who may also think alike. If it works, that's awesome! It shouldn't be slandered for those who definitely DO want to try it. But that's not to stop anyone from speaking their mind who disagrees. Discussion should always be had.  :cheers:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #26868136 - 08/07/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomrookie is right. Too much badgering people for something they are experimenting why it’s called that. Test it out and go from there. Not like there isn’t any evidence at all that peroxide can kill and slow down certain things.
No one wants help from people who are gonna smash their ideas and projects.
Thanks for finding that info @shroomrookie


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #26868142 - 08/07/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that this would be bad advice if it were given as a direct answer to a noobs question but it was not. I was simply information by a new member on what has worked for him. IDK why he wanted to do it this way and IDC. I think that all of Bod's and Pasty's post on teks are all you need and would never have experimented the way the OP did. But it's curious. I am only looking to see if this or something like this works. I just want to see IF it works. I'm not going to change to this method. I have way too much invested and constructed to change. I have to set stuff outside to get any real contamination but I'm doing it on a 3rd flush small isolation just to see.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868158 - 08/07/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I feel that. Pasty has some top of the line material to read and get knowledge on, smart dude.  And I wouldn’t give the this a try because of how easy it is to grow correctly like they were mentioning. But it does have the slightest curiosity to it is all.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Ragoo0192]
    #26868164 - 08/07/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like while some people on this thread are just downright putting peroxide out of the question, most of the criticism is aimed at the OP. See statements in bold:
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SirSoaksAlot said:
I would like to help you all revolutionize your grows and spread the love of fungi in the easiest and foolproof method.
Here’s the deal, you don’t need expensive tools to do it! Stop thinking like you need a flow hood or even a sterile area to do this work. It’s no longer necessary.
I took care of all the work and research for you. For three years now I’ve done whatever I could to kill my samples. Now, there’s some caveats, so it’s not the end of all your problems, but it solves most.
Yes, I am writing this dramatically. Greatnewseveryone.gif so let’s get down to the basics:
1: contamination is no longer an issue




It seems like a lot of people come on the shroomery and make their first post with something along these lines which may be why peroxide gets so much flak. Yes it may have uses for cobweb or saving dying substrates, but these uses are far better solved by other methods. And certainly not by replacing SABs or flowhoods with peroxide like the OP suggests.

I think the TC's have just been at this for so long and get tired of seeing the same post over and over again when people should be UTFSE before coming along and acting like they've revolutionized cultivation. I mean Pasty literally made multiple guides on how not to get facepalmed & how to make awesome posts and whatnot.

So yeah TC's can be blunt but I don't blame them. I think we are confusing being blunt with being condescending. Fact is that they know how to grow better than 95% of the people on this site.

Just my :twocents::twocents: feel free to offer criticism :thumbup:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26868181 - 08/07/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh no. Your right. I never post much because the search engine provides most everything. It's all been asked and answered.

Yes. The OP is a little bit over the top but I would never think that calling him a 'troll'(which is near to slander in the message board world) is the right way to go about it.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868199 - 08/07/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You post stupid shit and people are going to label it as trolling.

The point of mushroom cultivation is growing mushrooms. Not barely pulling off some measly fruits.

Shroomery.org Not halfassery.org

Aldo that roadkill quote is probably decades old:lol:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: mushboy]
    #26868207 - 08/07/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol. Why would I every want to argue with mushboy?  True. I just want new members to feel welcome even when they are wrong and not afraid to post or ask questions.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868212 - 08/07/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

New members with new or old questions are always welcome.

People who spout noob shit/misinformation as ground breaking methods will be mocked and ridiculed.
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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: mushboy]
    #26868219 - 08/07/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you say so. But didn't you use peroxide back in the day? I wouldn't turn away members just turn them. Prove them wrong not alienate them.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868223 - 08/07/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I used peroxide a handful of times to sterilize the inside of my tubs. And a few times to cool my flamed ms syringe needle. That's how I've used it no lie over 15yrs ago.

If you dont point and laugh at me you know where you stand:stoned:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: mushboy]
    #26868228 - 08/07/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I remember you all though my time here. I've read most all of you techs. I know that you know what time it is. It's just when and upstart badgers and upstart...


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868298 - 08/07/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

the ops name says it all

TROLL


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: jcm4620]
    #26868314 - 08/07/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Some of our most celebrated and world famous TCs had awesome troll accounts back in the 2012-15 era. It’s usually easy to spot a troll, the more difficult task is trying to figure out if it’s someone who knows what’s up and is coo or if it’s a disgruntled mold farmer trying to sow chaos with Cheeto stained fingers.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: jcm4620]
    #26868331 - 08/07/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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micofile said:

Re: Peroxidated Agar

Yep, 20/1 water/3%H2O2. BTW, that peroxide jar of agar I left unsealed never contamed. Not at all. Actually, it is now dry and shrively, but it never grew the nasties. see, this shit works.
MHHOC




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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/66592#66592

Controversial...yes but not idiotic. Say what you want but do your homework.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868356 - 08/07/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’ve got the hate. I don’t quite understand it but I look down on anyone using peroxide lol. Very judgmental of me. It gives me a visceral reaction.

I can see maybe dipping a wild specimen in before cloning if it’s something too thin or whatever to get clean tissue from inside. Using it in agar seems disgusting to me though. If there’s nasty shit I wanna see it. I don’t want to risk transferring mold spores or bacteria that weren’t allowed germinate by the agar to grain where they could definitely germinate. Supposedly the stuff is supposed to destroy them but the earth was also supposed to be flat damnit so who knows?

As far as using it on bulk sub, I’d rather lick a cheese grater.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868360 - 08/07/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think that posts from 20 years ago have any weight to them now. Poor Mans Pods were still commonplace for TC's to use around that time as well to my knowledge. Nowadays PMPs would be laughable for growing cubes since there are newer fruiting cham

It's like how scientific articles from 20 years ago mean jack shit (unless no new information has come up since that discredits the article - which doesn't apply to the case of peroxide). Any reputable review articles on modern science will usually be within approximately 5 years of being published.

Not to say that the shroomery perfectly reflects the scientific method, but for the sake of validity, it is still worth basing our cultivation knowledge on similar principles.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: shroomrookie]
    #26868387 - 08/07/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomery didn't have TCs 20yrs ago:lol:


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