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OfflineSirSoaksAlot
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Stop throwing away your contaminated anything
    #26861817 - 08/03/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hi all, 1st post, if you don't like it, sorry.

I would like to help you all revolutionize your grows and spread the love of fungi in the easiest and foolproof method.
Here’s the deal, you don’t need expensive tools to do it! Stop thinking like you need a flow hood or even a sterile area to do this work. It’s no longer necessary.
I took care of all the work and research for you. For three years now I’ve done whatever I could to kill my samples. Now, there’s some caveats, so it’s not the end of all your problems, but it solves most.
Yes, I am writing this dramatically. Greatnewseveryone.gif so let’s get down to the basics:
1: contamination is no longer an issue
2: your fungus can thrive forever, but they need plants to be truly happy so give them some plants as trading friends.
3: No need for expensive stuff!

How this is done:
1: Go to beauty supply store and buy a couple gallons of the 20 volume clear developer. here's a link, they sell it by the gallon for like $9 with a pro discount. https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair/hair-color/developer/20-volume-clear-developer/SLNCAR61.html
This is basically 6% H2O2, but you can use 12%, but 6% is cheaper. The 3% stuff works as well, but you want the biggest bang for your buck here.

2: Now, when you make a bag full of grain or substrate, and it's had some time to mature (don't do this right away, lol) even if it's contaminated you can just soak it AND I MEAN SOAK IT in the clear developer. When it breaks down, it leaves oxygen and water, two things most fungus adore. Feel free to crush up whatever is in the bag while you do it to expose the most surface area to the oxidizing love of peroxide.

3: It takes about two days to recover, feel free after an hour to dump out excessive moisture left in the bag, or don't, you can even let it ferment and get WAAAAAAAY more contaminated if you want, it doesn't matter, because when you do dump more H2O2 and then dump the excess moisture out, you'll be way okay and back to square one, a good grow.

4: This works on petri dishes too, but your sample material for cloning must be thicc, otherwise, the damage done causes mutant fungus that looks like something from the Flood. A liquid layer of peroxide sanitizes the surface of the agar, leading to contamination free petri dishes. This is one of the caveats though. Feel free to dunk your clone tissue in the peroxide before placing on the agar, but remember, it has to be thicc af or you'll end up growing a hive mind bent on the assimilation of the universe.

5: This really works, but try it for yourself to verify if you have a spare bag laying around. I don't expect you to take a random, unverified posters word for this, but I've done multiple tests over the years and it's just ungodly what 6% or 12% can do to rescue fungus in trouble. It's a cheat code.

I can go into detail more if you have any questions. I'm not trolling or trying to damage your grows, just sharing my experience in killing contamination. I believe this works either because fungus can produce a superoxide dismutase or the chitin itself forms a barrier under oxidization protecting the life of the fungus, something contaminates lack. I keep my bags open to the air, for months and only have good solid growth from oysters and p. stip (I like glowy things). For the petri dish experiment aside from using too small of samples and growing a half man, half fungus, half hive mind abstract art, no contaminates were present despite the lack of lids in open air. I even coughed on them, lol.

This gives two things almost everyone thinks they fail at: Oxygen and Water. Hope someone out there gets some usage from it.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot]
    #26861821 - 08/03/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Bod talking about peroxide:
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bodhisatta said:
It shouldn't have a role in your house period. For mycology or otherwise.

Its one mycological use is for cobweb mold. If you have cobweb mold you done fucked up good. And need to start over.

Peroxide damages your body as well and delays healing time.
Peroxide in first aid is old news too.

There's also no reason to try using over the counter concentrations of peroxide as a sanitizer or disinfectant. 



I can't verify this myself but I've heard from many TC's that using peroxide is an outdated trick. This is just what I've heard though... Never tried it myself :shrug:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26861831 - 08/03/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a TV advertising. :lol:


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26861835 - 08/03/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I also don’t have enough experience to vouch or not vouch for peroxide, but when it comes to growing I would trust bodhi with my life.

Also, just to poke holes (and I’m not saying peroxide hasn’t worked for you over the years, cause it very well may have), assuming the mycelium is able to survive a peroxide soak, couldn’t any other fungal based molds be able to survive the soak as well?

I advise every noob such as myself to listen to the guys and gals that have found the tried and true methods (aka listen to the people with trusted cultivator tags). But to each their own.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Gayfish]
    #26861836 - 08/03/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot]
    #26861839 - 08/03/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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SirSoaksAlot said:
How this is done:
1: Go to beauty supply store and buy a couple gallons of the 20 volume clear developer. here's a link, they sell it by the gallon for like $9 with a pro discount. https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair/hair-color/developer/20-volume-clear-developer/SLNCAR61.html
This is basically 6% H2O2, but you can use 12%, but 6% is cheaper. The 3% stuff works as well, but you want the biggest bang for your buck here.





LOL I get hydrogen peroxide for like 80 cents (OK 88 to be exact I just checked my last receipt) for a 16oz bottle.

Based on what everyone is saying, I shouldn't be using it anyway so I likely won't (I used it at first mixed with my spray water cause I got paranoid about cobweb but in reality, I was just helicoptering too much).

As someone who studies Economics, I do think cost-averaging is important, especially if one is to grow large amounts, or even small amounts often...

But that stuff is NOT even cheaper than Peroxide LOLOLOL.  I get 2 bottles of 16 oz Peroxide for $1.76. IF it is true that the stuff you are talking about is stronger, which I am not even sure if I can trust because you also say it is cheaper which it sure isn't, then I would need 2 bottles of peroxide to = 1 bottle of your stuff.  Your stuff is $2.99 a bottle.

Do you work for the company that makes that stuff and things are slow during COVID? And you found out some mushers use peroxide and this is your angle? I am not trying to be rude but I am seriously perplexed...regardless of peroxide is good to use or not this advice just doesn't even make good economic sense.

I am hoping "SirSoaksAlot" is just a troll name and you are just having some fun, but regardless, welcome to shroomery. I am sure I have asked some dumb questions, and will again in the future...but I really hope you are a troll because otherwise, you are just giving bad advice....there are noobs that actually read this stuff and take it as gospel, c'mon man


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Gayfish]
    #26861841 - 08/04/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Gayfish said:
...assuming the mycelium is able to survive a peroxide soak, couldn’t any other fungal based molds be able to survive the soak as well?...




Peroxide can kill cobweb mold but noobs are more likely to think something is cobweb that isn't and spray until their myc turns blue, this is not an insult, I am saying this because I did it. Then noob will be tempted to throw out their tray cause now it REALLY looks dark and bad, or they will wait and the blue will go away but growth is slower.

I had been putting like 5-10% peroxide with 90-95% water to reduce the chances of cobweb, and since peroxide is only like 3% anyway that isn't much at all. Based on what I am reading here I will not be using it anymore. Anyways, your logic is pretty much spot on, peroxide will not kill trich or colored molds, but it can be used to treat cobweb. This may be good for experienced growers but my own experience is that as a noob it is easier to helicopter and F up your grow with peroxide than it is to properly diagnose contams before you even know how to grow well.

TLDR: peroxide can get rid of cobweb but not much else from all I have read


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26861874 - 08/04/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is really sad. Don't feed this troll.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: KuroNeko]
    #26861958 - 08/04/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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KuroNeko said:
This is really sad. Don't feed this troll.




Sadly, you won't hear the gospel of peroxide not because it doesn't work, but it goes against what you've been told and that offends you I suppose. Look, this isn't a troll post.

You can use 12% peroxide, aka 40 vol and do just fine. If you'd like, I'll take time lapse photos for a week and see if I have any photos left over from the science fair projects I did with my kids to prove this not only works, but seriously can keep a contaminated bed from being thrown out. Used industrially, a spraying can keep the spore load down resulting in way less filter changes and an oxygen rich environment. I see lots of comments here from people who trust others and I can appreciate that. If it works, it works. This works. Try it, I urge you to examine the evidence of the process first hand. If you come back and tell me I'm completely wrong (I'm not) than I will be first to investigate why it failed, because it's certainly not my method.

The peroxide kills everything but your fungus if you let it sit. You can even completely submerge your bag, leave it for a few hours then come back and drain it if you want. It works. It may take a day or two to recover but it beats trashing an entire bag or jar. I've had bags I had to throw out after a year of sitting open, multiple fruitings, only because mice got to them and that's just nasty. This process works, I'm certain of it because I've tried dumping 12% and it just doesn't kill the fungus, it springs back in about 48 hours bright and as fresh as new. You don't dilute the 6%, just dump it right in there and prepare to reclaim the bag for the fungus kingdom.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Gayfish]
    #26861961 - 08/04/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I also don’t have enough experience to vouch or not vouch for peroxide, but when it comes to growing I would trust bodhi with my life.

Also, just to poke holes (and I’m not saying peroxide hasn’t worked for you over the years, cause it very well may have), assuming the mycelium is able to survive a peroxide soak, couldn’t any other fungal based molds be able to survive the soak as well?

I advise every noob such as myself to listen to the guys and gals that have found the tried and true methods (aka listen to the people with trusted cultivator tags). But to each their own.





I like the question you asked here, since I haven't observed any attempts at colonization from rival fungus in my bags I can give an answer that's only as good as an answer from a single observation. This is a crazy good idea to run as the next science fair project (they only give participation awards...) but I will share the results from an actual testing of the variables whenever the schools reopen. I love that you question this, from my experience, it's likely that the stronger fungus survives.

I let one bag sit until it would no longer colonize brown rice near the bottom. I dumped some peroxide in and waited to empty it until it smelled really fermented. Then added peroxide, dumped and two days later it just smelled like the fungus. Please try it, it could save valuable materials and rescue a grow. I mean, if you're going to trash it anyway, why not?


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26861963 - 08/04/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MrTinAZ said:
Quote:

SirSoaksAlot said:
How this is done:
1: Go to beauty supply store and buy a couple gallons of the 20 volume clear developer. here's a link, they sell it by the gallon for like $9 with a pro discount. https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair/hair-color/developer/20-volume-clear-developer/SLNCAR61.html
This is basically 6% H2O2, but you can use 12%, but 6% is cheaper. The 3% stuff works as well, but you want the biggest bang for your buck here.





LOL I get hydrogen peroxide for like 80 cents (OK 88 to be exact I just checked my last receipt) for a 16oz bottle.

Based on what everyone is saying, I shouldn't be using it anyway so I likely won't (I used it at first mixed with my spray water cause I got paranoid about cobweb but in reality, I was just helicoptering too much).

As someone who studies Economics, I do think cost-averaging is important, especially if one is to grow large amounts, or even small amounts often...

But that stuff is NOT even cheaper than Peroxide LOLOLOL.  I get 2 bottles of 16 oz Peroxide for $1.76. IF it is true that the stuff you are talking about is stronger, which I am not even sure if I can trust because you also say it is cheaper which it sure isn't, then I would need 2 bottles of peroxide to = 1 bottle of your stuff.  Your stuff is $2.99 a bottle.

Do you work for the company that makes that stuff and things are slow during COVID? And you found out some mushers use peroxide and this is your angle? I am not trying to be rude but I am seriously perplexed...regardless of peroxide is good to use or not this advice just doesn't even make good economic sense.

I am hoping "SirSoaksAlot" is just a troll name and you are just having some fun, but regardless, welcome to shroomery. I am sure I have asked some dumb questions, and will again in the future...but I really hope you are a troll because otherwise, you are just giving bad advice....there are noobs that actually read this stuff and take it as gospel, c'mon man





It's not bad advice. It's solid advice that I have observed and used for the last few years. Years. I said the 20 vol, which is 6%, is cheaper than the 12%. Don't use 3%, although it was effective, as the 3% takes way longer on the sterilization charts and you may end up breeding resistant contaminates. Use the nuke, not the MOAB in this case.

I can't wait to hear from others who have tried this and it saves a bag from the trash. I'm not even gentle about it, I mash the contaminated bag all into tiny pieces and make sure the fungus has a really bad day. It comes back every time.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26861975 - 08/04/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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TLDR: peroxide can get rid of cobweb but not much else from all I have read






Peroxide plasma and disinfectants are being used in hospitals and prisons because unlike ammonia based quats (leading cause of occupational asthma btw) and chlorine based cleaners, they don't leave any harmful gasses or residue. It simply breaks down into oxygen and water.

I can link you some literature if you're actually interested in it. The reason I linked Sally's is because most cities in the USA have these, but I'm positive you could find it somewhere cheaper or someplace cheaper and perhaps one with less stabilizers.

What I do worry about is that if used in an enclosed space, you could raise the oxygen levels too high which has pretty serious consequences, so please exercise caution and with adequate ventilation.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot] * 1
    #26861987 - 08/04/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just go away with this bullshit. 20 years of cultivator legacy concluded that peroxide doesn't help with anything.

Saying that instead of learning sterile technique and proper practices you dump peroxide on everything is one of most stupid and deluded things ever posted on this forum.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: SirSoaksAlot]
    #26862372 - 08/04/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

OK, if you are talking about ONLY doing this on contaminated grows that are going to be trash, I don't really see any harm of trying to salvage some trash. Nothing to lose I suppose, but I wouldn't be comfortable eating some triched out mushrooms just because they started growing again.

Personally I would just rather do things right and try not to get contams. Thomas Edison failed like 1k times to make the lightbulb and it was worth persisting instead of getting stuck on trying to make one of the failures work rather than trying the next method.

I have a method of trying to save my contaminated jars too but it is a bit different than this method. I throw them in the well of 1 of my fruit trees! Maybe in the fall/winter when it isn't 111F degrees they will grow and if not IDGAF I don't need to grow molds.

Even if this method works I don't understand why you are so excited about it Sir? Why not just try to avoid contaminants in the first place?


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26862400 - 08/04/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It’s not hard to not have contaminated grows once you know how to pour plates and work in a SAB. This seems gross lol. And who knows what your actual intent is but anyone truly trying to help or develop a new style and sell their shit would post pictures and videos of success. Even if peroxide would kill all the bad stuff it would damage and stress the mycelium, I’ve seen this before just from light spritzing, and mess up your yields.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Roger Clemency] * 3
    #26862427 - 08/04/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

omg here we go with the fucking peroxide again i swear between this and the uncle bens shit ima lose my god damn mind


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    #26862435 - 08/04/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

and besides aint nobody comin in here with 5 posts and thinkn they gnna teach anyone anything for all we know youve never even grown a fruit so id stop with the holier than thou bullshit and maybe prove yourself to the group of ppl here before you go making statements like that. thats like me goin into nasa and sayin hi u dont know who i am or what i do but im here to teach u how to build rocketships


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26862481 - 08/04/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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OK, if you are talking about ONLY doing this on contaminated grows that are going to be trash, I don't really see any harm of trying to salvage some trash.




The harm is that time, energy, and fruiting space are finite. Why waste those tending to heavily weakened myc when one can just go and do more lab work? Posts like this are potentially harmful for newbies, might mislead them into thinking there's shortcuts around good sterile technique.

Also, he hasn't posted a single picture or shred of evidence that his "tek" is effective whatsoever. This is shaping up to be the typical "new revolution in mycology" posted without evidence by a new account that we get every month or so.

Planting contaminated spawn outside is the right move, imo. Composting it can also yield surprise fruits.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: Rapjack] * 2
    #26862506 - 08/04/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:clintonshuh:

Pics or it didn't happen. I've got 100 bucks on your being full of shit. But i've been wrong before.


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Re: Stop throwing away your contaminated anything [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26862509 - 08/04/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Pics or it didn't happen. I've got 100 bucks on your being full of shit. But i've been wrong before.




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