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Has anyone tried other sources of acid for the lemon tek?
    #26861609 - 08/03/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry if this is asked and answered, but I couldn't find anything about it with the search bar.

From my general browsing of this forum (and a tad bit of personal experience), I think it seems pretty obvious that the lemon tek "works." However, the general explanation, that the citric acid in lemon juice converts psilocybin into psilocin, seems a little dubious, due to the fact that that whatever you pour down your throat is gonna end up mixing with your stomach acid anyway.

I came across another thread that raised a similar concern, and one of the replies gave a somewhat believable explanation that the presence of acid in the tea itself before it gets to the stomach allows for a quicker uptake of psilocin, especially in cases where the user hasn't been fasting and the mushrooms might not mix thoroughly with HCl in the stomach. However, I'm still personally not convinced that there isn't something else going on here. Perhaps some enzyme or unique reaction with citric acid converting or extracting some other unknown psychoactive alkaloid?

So, my question is this: Has anyone tried to do the lemon tek with some other source of acid? If so, did it still work? Did you notice any subjective differences? (For example, part of what prompted this curiosity is the knowledge that limes actually have a lower pH than lemons, yet it's the "lemon" tek, not "lime" tek)


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Re: Has anyone tried other sources of acid for the lemon tek? [Re: turbulentflow]
    #26861639 - 08/03/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The acidity is supposed to increase solubility of the actives and you get a better extraction with less loss, when you discard the solids.

I have used vinegar and citric acid with great success when doing the teas.


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Re: Has anyone tried other sources of acid for the lemon tek? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26861646 - 08/03/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I personally take my doses with a cup of coffee. (The coffee is brewed by itself, and used as a “chaser” for the mushrooms.) that being said, I make cowboy coffee so supposedly I’m lowering the acidic value by overboiling it.

Works great for me, plus I heard somewhere (didn’t bother researching it, cause I was already dosing with coffee just for the flavor masking abilities lol) that coffee is a mild maoi, which supposedly potentiates the effects of the dose. I think I’m supposed to add a disclaimer here about mixing maoi’s with mushrooms/any psychedelics, so consider yourself warned?

Never had an issue with it though, still my preferred method of ingestion


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Re: Has anyone tried other sources of acid for the lemon tek? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26861650 - 08/03/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I mean I personally always eat my solids even when I make tea (honestly kinda enjoy the flavor), and I still notice a significant subjective difference between lemon tek and just eating mushrooms. Of course this could just be the fact that aqueous actives are gonna enter your bloodstream faster if you haven't been fasting, but it seems like such a big difference subjectively.

That is interesting that you had success with vinegar, though, and would kinda seem to destroy the notion that there's something special to lemons that makes the tek work. It's certainly not inconceivable that it's just the faster uptake (and maybe some stuff related to the ratio of psilocybin/psilocin, as once it hits your blood it's gonna be in a neutral buffer solution), just seems a little crazy that such a simple thing would make such a huge difference.


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Re: Has anyone tried other sources of acid for the lemon tek? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26861663 - 08/03/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Funnily enough psilocybin is actually broken down by Alkaline phosphatase (ALP) in the liver (which converts psilocybin to psilocin). Which is in it's name an alkaline not an acid.

This is one reason why people rave on about tea, citing the acid lemon tek is inferior and might harm the actives. Psilocybin is water soluble and because it is water soluble, in tea form it will pass through the stomach very quickly as water doesn't need to digest and so hits the duodenum and small intestines quicker for fast absorption. 

However anyone who has fasted and tried the lemon tek method will vouch that it is just as good if not better. (And i personally prefer it). So the believe/ theory here is that the acid doesn't release free actives as such but promotes the stomach to start producing alkaline enzymes to balance out the acid from the lemon tek. These alkaline enzymes mix in with the psilocybin and create a fast breakdown preparing it for the liver when it pass through to the small intestines. That's why grape , lemon, lime and orange juice is also sometimes used with the same effect(I must say however in my experience without fasting for a min 4-5hrs the lemon tek wont work or will be greatly reduced resulting in a weaker and longer trip). So yes any acidic (non toxic) drink should yield a similar result.


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