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OfflineJohnnyDough
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Substitution for BRF Tek??
    #26861122 - 08/03/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hi, Everyone...

First of all, I have learned SO much from this forum over several years, and want to thank you all for sharing your extensive knowledge.

I have used the BRF cake tek for so long and want to move on to something different.  What I've been doing recently is crumbling all of the BRF cakes up into a tub with coca coir and vermiculite.  I've gotten better results than when I just did cakes, but am always curious if something else would yield more.

I don't want to change up too much or have to buy more materials, so could anyone recommend a substitution for BRF?  I hear about oats, grains, etc., and just wanted to get another opinion from all of you experts!

Any ideas are greatly appreciated!


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InvisibleRhizomorph
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Re: Substitution for BRF Tek?? [Re: JohnnyDough]
    #26861144 - 08/03/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

TL;DR Just see my signature :tongue2:

I recommend wild bird seed for spawn. Any grain really will colonize considerably faster than BRF cake spawn. You need a pressure cooker for grains though (unlike the BRF recipe which you can just use a pot)

SpitBallJedi's wbs tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048754#20048754

I can't say whether grain spawns would actually yield larger fruits or not though. Proper moisture and FAE will do more for this from my understanding. As well as good genetics. If you want greater yields isolate strong genetics by cloning your strongest growing fruit to agar.

I recommend the tek in my signature for agar since it is easy for newcomers (no-pour methods have less points in the process for contamination to get in), the plates are re-usable (save $$), and they require no modification. Again, you will need a pressure cooker to do agar this way, although I think I've heard of ways to do it without a pressure cooker.

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bodhisatta said:
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If you don't have a pressure cooker agar media can be sterilized by steam alone, steam your agar bottle like you would a PF jar for no less than 45 minutes. Not having a PC/autoclave is no reason to avoid agar. Although I HIGHLY recommend using a PC for agar. And in general do not suggest doing agar without a PC
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This is from Bod's agar tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21922023

Pastywhyte no-pours are pretty popular as well but I prefer the unmodified plates in my signature


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OfflineJohnnyDough
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Re: Substitution for BRF Tek?? [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26861157 - 08/03/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome!  Thank you for your suggestion!

I do have a pressure cooker, so that's not a problem at all.  I just didn't want to have to buy pint jars or larger since I've got plenty of half pint jars; plus, they are better with my pressure cooker.

I'll read into the teks you suggested as well :smile:


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Re: Substitution for BRF Tek?? [Re: JohnnyDough]
    #26861174 - 08/03/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If you already have a pressure cooker you're good to use the BRF-style 1/2 pint jars for wbs/other grains. Just make sure to fill the holes with polyfill or use a synthetic filter disk (you can get these online). Alternatively you could put micropore tape over the holes, inject through the tape, and after injection simply put another piece of tape over the hole. Either way just have some sort of filter. For BRF cakes the gas exchange filter is the dry verm top layer but you want to be able to shake grains at about 30% colonization so a dry top layer of verm would get disturbed in the process of using grains.

For agar all ya need is agar-agar powder, BRF (which you likely already have) and a dish of sort (petri dishes, or the one in my signature).

I.e. all you need to buy is agar dishes, agar powder, and a filter of some sort and you can be producing larger yields at twice the speed with agar & grains!!

*note: this is a slight simplification - you may need other things but the rest of the materials you can usually just substitute with materials you already have at home if you don't wanna buy shit (e.g. I used a heated x-acto blade instead of a scalpel my first time transferring from agar)

Hope this helps :thumbup:


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:awesomenod: Easiest No-Pour Agar Method: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers:awesomenod:


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