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Eating raw san pedro tomorrow
    #26860916 - 08/03/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hello everyone. So tomorrow I am going to try for the first time to eat it raw. I have read many opinions about it but I really want to try it because I can no longer drink it as a tea.
If it goes well I will give you the exact recipe\process because there is less info about consuming it this way than making a tea.

In general, I had a 72 cm long Pachanoi (probably non-PC as others confirmed) weighted 1.5 kg. cut into about 10 cm sections and then along the ribs into strips. (core discarded) baked in the oven low heat for short time to soften the flesh and then scrapped only the dark green part away from the skin (discarded).

the 1.5 kg turned into 390 grams of pure dark green flesh.
made into a shake and put in fridge for the foam to settle down.
will drink tomorrow and tell you how it goes. (it tastes much much much much much X100 better than tea)
(not from the US by the way)

any thoughts? what do you think about the dosage?


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26860924 - 08/03/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have eaten raw cactus numerous times. Fresh raw cactus always gave me the best / deepest / most visual trips. :thumbup:

It tastes bad, but any concentrated tea tastes worse.

My latest fresh cactus was a bridgesii penis plant. 12 inches turned into ~140g of dark green flesh, and that was en pare with a good hit of acid (~125mics).

Bridgesii is thinner than pachanoi, though.

If your cactus is on the potent side of the spectrum then you are in for a ride. If it's really potent 72cm is more than two doses. :sun:

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26860976 - 08/03/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If it's really potent 72cm is more than two doses. :sun:
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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26861005 - 08/03/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Most of the alkaloids are in the dark green flesh.
When I eat raw I always discard the waxy skin, most of the white flesh, and the core, and eat only the dark green.

72cm is almost 2.5 feet. If a cactus is really potent (very rare though!), 15cm /half a foot will send you to the moon.

I always start with one foot /30cm to test the potency of a plant. Usually this is enough to trip good already. If I want to trip hard I eat 1.5 to 2 feet.
2.5 feet really is a big dose, at least with average cactus.
Non-PC pachanoi can be really potent. It's hit or miss, you never know before. :smirk:

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26861877 - 08/04/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard from a couple of reputable places that up to 50% of the alkaloids are in the white flesh. I have always used it all when making tea or extracts personally. Even if it was only 20% of the alkaloids in the inner flesh, that's a lot to miss out on if you are tossing that out.

I haven't personally eaten raw cactus. I have heard some people express concern with the high amount of calcium oxalate in fresh trichocereus, and the possibility of increased kidney stone risk. Probably wouldn't be an issue doing it every once in awhile, but idk.

Either way, if you have a decently potent cactus 72cm should be a good trip. If it's really potent, that should be pretty intense. Only one way to find out...


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26861981 - 08/04/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Mescaline content is too variable to give an estimate, but IMO San Pedro is a very gentle psychedelic.

The most I've managed to eat (I can't stand the taste) was 420 grams, but I had left some white flesh too, so I guess 200 grams of green flesh. It was a beautiful trip, but not very visual. Then I smoked some cannabis (0.3 grams of Northern Lights) and things went wild (voices talking to me and fractal patterns on everything), while the headspace remained pretty clear.

390 grams of green flesh only should be a strong trip, if the cactus is average potency. Could also be a normal trip or a very intense trip.



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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: InnerEternity]
    #26862045 - 08/04/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I am almost out of shrooms (late starter) so in my quest for cosmic enlightenment I have a couple of san pedros lined up.

I tried this a few times 20 years ago and never had a good experience.  After reading a lot of threads (you guys are a great forum) I now realize that in boiling it down to a tar for hours I probably oxidized most of the mescaline.

So older and wiser I am ready to give it a go.

Are you guys really eating just the dark green layer and throwing out the rest?

Are you cutting out each of the spines + the vein from what you consume?  The theory 20 years ago was that this contained a mild poison which makes sense for cactus spines.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: SpacedX]
    #26862161 - 08/04/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Cut out the spines, peel off the waxy skin on the outside, cut out the core and most of the white flesh and eat only the remaining dark green.
Sure you can also eat the whte flesh, but the majority of the alkaloids really is in the green.

Boiling cactus for hours doesn't degrade anything. Mescaline is the most stable psychedelic known to men.
You can burn it with fire, run with a truck over it, or shoot it into outer space, it will still remain mescaline.
It won't degrade by too much boiling / sun / or oxigen.

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26862519 - 08/04/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

From my experience using only the dark green outer flesh makes sense if you are going to eat raw cactus.  But using the entire cutting, white flesh and all, makes sense if you are going to brew a tea or perform an extraction.

There are a lot of videos popping up now on Youtube that show only the dark green flesh being used for tea.  That is wasteful IMO, and it is not the traditional way.  If you're going to concentrate it down to tea anyway then why not capture all the alkaloids?


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26862664 - 08/04/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks guys, this is helpful.  Maybe I just had a dud cactus back in the day.

I am still tossing up between chewing on it raw and drying it and powdering it.  I guess I could just boof the lot...


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: SpacedX]
    #26863459 - 08/04/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I wrote off boofing due to spines and it being quite a wide cactus.

I brought a cloned stub for $20.  The bloke gave me a box of stubs which turned out to be foot long sections.  Since I have so many I might try eating the dark green flesh this week.

I will pulp and strain the rest of it and freeze it.  Is there any value in freezing it before pulping to break down the cell walls?


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: SpacedX]
    #26863788 - 08/05/20 04:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i think that freezing at least once is good. i will give an update about how it was later this day


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26864123 - 08/05/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So, overall it was a success but not as expected. I could managed to drink only 1/3 of the 390 grams. (the shake was 900ML but could drink only 300) the taste was not bad at all I could even let it sit in the mouth and concentrate on the flavor without gagging. it just that my stomach wouldnt let me drink more, i felt bloated after only 300 ML.

purged (for the first time) after 1 hour so I guess even with the only small amount consumed even less absorbed.

But, in about 2 hours after ingestion I could feel the effects. I still had a little discomfort in the stomach so I knew its due to the alkaloids and not the cactus solids because I puked them.
It was not strong but really noticeable. not strong euphoria and no visuals at all, but my thinking patterns were really different. I got sucked to every thought I had, and then boom I am back in reality- on and off in waves.
It lasted for 3:30 hours and then gradually got weaker and weaker. I still had effects when the almost full moon rise at 20:40-could feel it's brown energy.

I still enjoyed it though but I really wanted a stronger dose,as always with SP...lol.

And one last thing. I will try new ways to consume SP untill I master it! I have 7 growing at the moment and one of them is over 2.5 meters tall.
with the remaining 2/3 I will strain the solids from the shake,squeeze them hard and try to drink only the liquids (like some1 put the cactus through a juicer) and see what happens.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26864359 - 08/05/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Good work.  Science demands that we keep attempting at this thing.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo] * 1
    #26864442 - 08/05/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Tar balls--everclear extracted dried powdered outer skins. :heart: I've done this three times and never had ANY nausea. Pandemoon seems to be an expert in this area.:heart:


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: SpacedX] * 1
    #26864475 - 08/05/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, I do this for science...lucky me I have plenty of pedros. (and nothing is wasted,I fertilize my garden with every last thing of the plant)


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26870322 - 08/08/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I tried eating some without any heat.  Chopped everything up including chopping out the spines.  Dark green into one bag, the rest into another.  I froze and defrosted it a couple of times to break it down then hit it with the smoothie blender.  A delicious green froth resulted.  I ran that through the aeropress which resulted in no change as I blended it well enough to pass through the metal filter.

Science demands results so down the hatch it went.  Mouthful of green froth followed by chewing on a ginger root and a mandarin segment to take the taste away.  Half an hour later it was all down.

A great time was had all afternoon and evening.  Not super strong but definitely decent.

While it's manageable raw I would still like to work on the extraction technique.  I will try drying some next to use as input.

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: SpacedX]
    #26871516 - 08/09/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Look into 69ron tek if you haven't heard of it. Its a full spectrum extract, yields well, and is food grade unless you want to separate the alkaloids.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: hummingbird]
    #26874353 - 08/11/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

second the tar balls lol. granted its still a horrible amount of pills to swallow and i could barely stand swallowing so many ( i hate swallowing pills) but infinitely preferable to cactus smoothies.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26874359 - 08/11/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Tar balls--everclear extracted dried powdered outer skins. :heart: I've done this three times and never had ANY nausea. Pandemoon seems to be an expert in this area.:heart:



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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: pineninja] * 2
    #26874667 - 08/11/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Weigh your intended dose of cracker dry/dried cactus skins. Powder/crush up cracker dry skins (I use a blender or small amounts in a cheap coffee grinder, 13 bucks at walmart or a dollar store). Get a half pint jar and place dried powder in it. Add everclear (190 proof grain alcohol, any brand) or 90% isopropyl alcohol. Add just enough to make about a 1/4 in layer on top completely covering/soaking material, maybe a little less but you want the material completely soaking in it. Put the lid on and seal it.

I personally do not rush this process. I can do it over a week or two because I like to make sure I'm getting as much out of the skins as possible. Shake it up and let it settle for a day or 3 day, shaking every time you think of it. The longer it soaks the better IMHO. Drain it through a coffee filter or filter paper, or a cheese cloth and save the material and put it back in the soaking jar. Do the soak and filter at least 3 times, I have done 5 or even 7 times until the liquid from the material becomes a very light green or yellowish. Save all the filtered liquid in a bigger jar until you've got all of it. Keep a lid on it so it doesn't evaporate yet.

Pour all of your collected filtered  skin soakings into a flat pyrex/glass dish. You can cover it with a thin layer of cheese cloth to allow airflow to evaporate the alcohol. If you do this be very careful it doesn't touch the liquid. You can use a rubber band around the rim to make it taut. Blow a fan on it to speed up evaporation. I have used an oven later when most/all of the alcohol is evaporated out and it's a really sticky goo like substance. I use the lowest setting on the oven (175 for mine) and get it as dry as possible. Not sure of a time, but it should be crackly and brittle but still somewhat malleable. Scrape it up and put it in capsules, or shape into little tarballs as big as you want/can swallow. Caps keep that really bitter taste out of your mouth, and believe me it's VERY bitter. ENJOY!
(I used 55 grams of dried outer skins last time, and it was only about 8-12 caps I think, it's not like 30 etc...I need to do this again actually:grin:)

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26875201 - 08/11/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just made a new batch of cactus tar like two weeks ago. Took pictures, so it's all documented.

Will write a small pictorial the next days.. :thumbup:

Here's some first pics I already posted in the candy thread last week.
The resulting tar (last pic) is 10 feet worth, so ten mild or 5 to 6 strong doses.
If you make it right a dose is not much to swallow. Like 10 grams of tar per dose, that's 6 or 7 small pellets to swallow. Easy. :shrug:



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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26875465 - 08/11/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks gents will definitely be giving this a go.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: pineninja]
    #26875575 - 08/11/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hi - this is my first post here (sort of...)

It has been mentioned, in places and at times, that SP cactus cuttings increase in potency when stored in a cool, dark place for a couple of months or so. Do any of you have experience with this?

For those with patience and/or foresight this would seem like a method worth trying. It also seems to be the case that at least some Andean huachuma practitioners mature their SP cuttings this way.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: downwardsfromzero]
    #26876303 - 08/12/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I always do that. The cactus used in this post was cured for about 2 months. I always ended up with decently potent cactus but cant tell if the curing process had something to do with it because i have never compared the same batch with a cured and a non cured.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26876445 - 08/12/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's not scientifically proven yet. Who has the time to do some side by side testing? :smirk:
Two identically grown clones are needed for this comparison.

My strongest trip so far was from a small section of a bridgesii that I wrapped in a towel and laied it aside for almost a full year. When I ate it there were roots grown all over the side of the whole cutting.
It was extremy bitter and strong as fuck. 7 to 8 inches of this thin tipcutting did send me to the moon and back.
Usually bridgesii is pretty consistent in potency, a fresh cutting of a foot is like a good hit of acid (120 to 150 mics). This 8 inches felt more like 250mics.
I had enormous vortex-like open eye visuals, and extreme color shiftings for hours.

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: golmo]
    #26876446 - 08/12/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not an expert but wouldn't the alkaloid content be the same no matter how it's dried/kept etc...? Isn't the genetics of a cannabis seed the same THC content no matter what/how it's grown? :shrug::confused: Maybe the drying concentrates the alkaloids already present. I don't see how it could increase them.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26876451 - 08/12/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It has nothing to do with drying.

Theory behind is that mescaline is the natural defense alkaloid of those cacti. That's why it's concentrated in the outer skin, it's extremly bitter and toxic for small animals that might want to eat the plant.

Cutting them and laying them on the side will stress the plant and force it to create more alkaloids. Well, that's at least the theory.

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26876457 - 08/12/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm, interesting. Maybe it just draws more from the inner core to the outer green layer? I don't see how it could start producing more than what's already in it.:confused:


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26876478 - 08/12/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think the ONLY thing to cactus, chew it raw==use rootbeer to wash inside your mouth, and you aren't tripping
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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26876482 - 08/12/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ummmm, no thanks, lol. I prefer the tarballs.:grin:

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26876754 - 08/12/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26876758 - 08/12/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

LOL, it looks like it came out the hole actually.:eek:


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26876762 - 08/12/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's some magical shit for sure.

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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26876765 - 08/12/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's a living creature. The plant can and will attempt to heal itself including creating self defense chemicals. As long as it's alive it will produce something to help heal.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26876805 - 08/12/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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LOL, it looks like it came out the hole actually.:eek:



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I haven't taken mescaline in years. I'd love to give it a go again. I ate San Pedro each time, I'm quite interested in T Bridgesii, I've read very good things about it.


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Re: Eating raw san pedro tomorrow [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #26882670 - 08/16/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I gave it another go yesterday.  This time I froze a cutting and defrosted it a couple of times.  On the first defrost Most of the juice leaked out so I just collected and drank that.  I dehydrated the solid bits for later use.

Good times were had.  Stronger than the first time.


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