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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera]
    #26875984 - 08/11/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here are the 'loaded' questions, so you don't have to waste any time going back:

Were the protesters justified enough in their fear of the truck to attack it?
Yes
No
STAL

Did attacking the stopped truck make the protesters safter, or did it put them in more danger?
Attacking the truck made them safer
Attacking the truck put their safety at greater risk
STAL


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26875987 - 08/11/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why did you copy/paste your survey into a response to yourself?

You alright buddy, should I send rum?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera]
    #26875990 - 08/11/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, when I type in a response without hitting 'reply' it defaults to the last poster.  I fixed it for you.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26875996 - 08/11/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Come on, Fal. Be honest with me. Do you, or do you not, see how those questions are framed in a loaded manner? Keep in mind, if you bake an assumption into that question it is assumed to be loaded. Language, however short, is critical in this instance.

I have faith in you being honest, in fact I'd say you uphold that here. So sit yourself down and ask some critical questions about the nature of that presentation.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26876000 - 08/11/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fal uphold honesty? Fucking lol.

I may have agreed with you previously but this thread really brought out his true colors


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera]
    #26876003 - 08/11/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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christopera said:
Come on, Fal. Be honest with me. Do you, or do you not, see how those questions are framed in a loaded manner? Keep in mind, if you bake an assumption into that question it is assumed to be loaded. Language, however short, is critical in this instance.



What's the assumption I baked in?  Do you disagree that the driver was attacked, whether it was justified or not (which is what the question was)?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26876006 - 08/11/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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christopera said:
Come on, Fal. Be honest with me. Do you, or do you not, see how those questions are framed in a loaded manner? Keep in mind, if you bake an assumption into that question it is assumed to be loaded. Language, however short, is critical in this instance.



What's the assumption I baked in?  Do you disagree that the driver was attacked, whether it was justified or not (which is what the question was)?




So you have at least a bit of understanding how the question was loaded, you're smarter than you look! It's not total honesty, but you took a small step forward.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26876008 - 08/11/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Fal uphold honesty? Fucking lol.



My offer still stands to take a voluntary one week ban if you show me where I lied in this thread.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera]
    #26876009 - 08/11/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So you have at least a bit of understanding how the question was loaded, you're smarter than you look! It's not total honesty, but you took a small step forward.



I don't think attack is the wrong word though.  Do you think calling it a peace offering is more neutral?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26876012 - 08/11/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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christopera said:
So you have at least a bit of understanding how the question was loaded, you're smarter than you look! It's not total honesty, but you took a small step forward.



I don't think attack is the wrong word though.  Do you think calling it a peace offering is more neutral?




I never said attack is the wrong word. I guess that's on you.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26876015 - 08/11/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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natedawgnow said:
Fal uphold honesty? Fucking lol.



My offer still stands to take a voluntary one week ban if you show me where I lied in this thread.



Nah not worth my time dude.

Rather be fishin. From today


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26876020 - 08/11/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I never said attack is the wrong word. I guess that's on you.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯



Does anyone else want to help me, since christopera won't?  Does anyone else want to see christopera's answer?

Were the protesters justified enough in their fear of the truck to attack it?
Yes
No
STAL

Did attacking the stopped truck make the protesters safter, or did it put them in more danger?
Attacking the truck made them safer
Attacking the truck put their safety at greater risk
STAL




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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera]
    #26876023 - 08/11/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope, I didn't conflate one bit of your argument. The thesis, while evolving on your own behalf, is pretty clear. That being, let's paint the protesters bad in any light you can find. You've not once attempted to say something reasonable about exercising first amendment rights (as are protected by like the first one). So, I can go pick out a video that shows a behavior that I need to confirm my bias for every single video you pick, but I'm not going to do that because it proves nothing. It's that simple. You're YouTube fact finding self-stimulation is cheap and infantile. Your entire thesis was designed to prove you right, not an intellectually honest venture, this is by your own admission when you said "you know which side of the argument I am on".




It is not the average protester that interests me, nor have I heaped blame on their head for anything more than being apart of the mindless mob. It is the extremists, including Antifa, that bother me.

The word, "conflate" again comes to mind.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26876024 - 08/11/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'm not smart enough to figure out why an honest question is a loaded one.





If you say so, I personally believe otherwise.

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Would anyone else here like to see what this question would look like non-loaded, from a guy who claims to teach this stuff?




I'm definitely not getting paid to teach you. These days I charge $1200 a day by the way. Feel free to PM for payment details.




LOL what a cop-out.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26876026 - 08/11/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Come on, Fal. Be honest with me. Do you, or do you not, see how those questions are framed in a loaded manner? Keep in mind, if you bake an assumption into that question it is assumed to be loaded. Language, however short, is critical in this instance.

I have faith in you being honest, in fact I'd say you uphold that here. So sit yourself down and ask some critical questions about the nature of that presentation.




If those questions are loaded, then surely you can rephrase the survey in a non-loaded way? I'm all for taking yours, too. Tell me how the question and answers ought to be worded.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26876027 - 08/11/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You should make it more bold, that will help.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26876028 - 08/11/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Here are the 'loaded' questions, so you don't have to waste any time going back:

Were the protesters justified enough in their fear of the truck to attack it?
Yes
No
STAL

Did attacking the stopped truck make the protesters safter, or did it put them in more danger?
Attacking the truck made them safer
Attacking the truck put their safety at greater risk
STAL




The questions are NOT loaded if taken into account the discussion and responses in this thread.

If those questions were in a survey with just regular people that didn't have access to this thread, yes I would consider it a loaded question.

But the survey was put in this thread under the assumption people have been following the discussion.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26876029 - 08/11/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
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christopera said:
Nope, I didn't conflate one bit of your argument. The thesis, while evolving on your own behalf, is pretty clear. That being, let's paint the protesters bad in any light you can find. You've not once attempted to say something reasonable about exercising first amendment rights (as are protected by like the first one). So, I can go pick out a video that shows a behavior that I need to confirm my bias for every single video you pick, but I'm not going to do that because it proves nothing. It's that simple. You're YouTube fact finding self-stimulation is cheap and infantile. Your entire thesis was designed to prove you right, not an intellectually honest venture, this is by your own admission when you said "you know which side of the argument I am on".




It is not the average protester that interests me, nor have I heaped blame on their head for anything more than being apart of the mindless mob. It is the extremists, including Antifa, that bother me.

The word, "conflate" again comes to mind.




"mindless mob"

Proof please.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26876030 - 08/11/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
Quote:

christopera said:
Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'm not smart enough to figure out why an honest question is a loaded one.





If you say so, I personally believe otherwise.

Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Would anyone else here like to see what this question would look like non-loaded, from a guy who claims to teach this stuff?




I'm definitely not getting paid to teach you. These days I charge $1200 a day by the way. Feel free to PM for payment details.




LOL what a cop-out.




Says the guy with youtube videos presented to your own liking.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26876032 - 08/11/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
Quote:

christopera said:
Come on, Fal. Be honest with me. Do you, or do you not, see how those questions are framed in a loaded manner? Keep in mind, if you bake an assumption into that question it is assumed to be loaded. Language, however short, is critical in this instance.

I have faith in you being honest, in fact I'd say you uphold that here. So sit yourself down and ask some critical questions about the nature of that presentation.




If those questions are loaded, then surely you can rephrase the survey in a non-loaded way? I'm all for taking yours, too. Tell me how the question and answers ought to be worded.




Why? I didn't create the survey.


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