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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26874894 - 08/11/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: That antifa is an organized domestic terror group
That's his opinion. Though I disagree, he's done a much better job defending his position than others have in attacking it.
Source, or make believe.

I love it when people ask me that question, because everyone here knows I ALWAYS provide a source. Vahn started an ENTIRE THREAD about this topic. He posted lots of videos and links that he believes supports his position.
I realize people can and do disagree with Vahn, and debate is what this forum should be about, but can you find a post from natedawgnow explaining why it's not a domestic terror group? That's the type of discussion we should have here, not what a big fat poo poo head Vahn is.
People will discuss me and you when that's all they are capable of discussing rather on the topic at hand. They do it because they don't have the intellect or the mental capacity to form a counter argument, and so they go for the low blow.
It's pretty simple shit psychological shit, really. If they had an actual counter argument, they wouldn't low-blow. I've known this since leaving Mormonism, because the Mormons did it to me when I addressed the issues with their belief-system as well. It shows both a sign of intellectual ineptitude and emotional insecurity. None of these people saying, "You're stupid" would have the balls to act like such juveniles if they didn't have their little crowd backing them up.
And that's the thing about a well though out intellectual position. A ridiculing of it isn't going to change your mind even if you're in the minority, whereas those only good at name-calling would be silent if they didn't have an ally or six to form a chorus of insults.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#26874899 - 08/11/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I'm not wasting my time with you 
Anybody can go back and read this thread dude.
Unfortunately unless you’re following a conversation closely it can be hard to see how deceptive and dishonest he’s being.
At least he’s finally getting the reputation he deserves
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26874907 - 08/11/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: These last 3 pages really have revealed fal to be a liar and a troll.
No specifics yet? If you can find evidence of my lying, I'll accept a temporary ban on myself. Otherwise, you should be the one banned.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26874908 - 08/11/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: That antifa is an organized domestic terror group
That's his opinion. Though I disagree, he's done a much better job defending his position than others have in attacking it.
Source, or make believe.

I love it when people ask me that question, because everyone here knows I ALWAYS provide a source. Vahn started an ENTIRE THREAD about this topic. He posted lots of videos and links that he believes supports his position.
I realize people can and do disagree with Vahn, and debate is what this forum should be about, but can you find a post from natedawgnow explaining why it's not a domestic terror group? That's the type of discussion we should have here, not what a big fat poo poo head Vahn is.
You didn't say 'Vahn did a better job than natedawgnow', you referred to a general "others". I participated in that thread - I never saw any compelling argument that antifa is an organized domestic terror group. Please provide direct sources to the specific defensive positions vahn has made, rather than waving your hand vaguely at a thread consisting of hundreds of posts.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: koods] 1
#26874909 - 08/11/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I'm not wasting my time with you 
Anybody can go back and read this thread dude.
Unfortunately unless you’re following a conversation closely it can be hard to see how deceptive and dishonest he’s being.
The difference as far as I can tell is when Falcon accuses someone of being a liar, he shows them the lie in question and explains why it is a lie if context is necessary.
I've seen a lot of people call Falcon a liar without proof of one lie from them. I don't even get it. 
How about we start playing on the same level?
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: koods] 1
#26874910 - 08/11/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I'm not wasting my time with you 
Anybody can go back and read this thread dude.
Unfortunately unless you’re following a conversation closely it can be hard to see how deceptive and dishonest he’s being.
No specifics either? Alrighty then.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26874915 - 08/11/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26874933 - 08/11/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: You absolutely can preemptively attack someone in self-defence, assuming the fear is reasonable and the force proportional to the feared threat. If someone is threatening you with a gun, you don't need to wait until you are shot before fighting back. If someone is threatening you with a vehicle, you don't need to wait until you are run over before fighting back.
Putting a vehicle driving down the road in the same category as a gun threat is ridiculous TO ME, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. The guy slowed down as he approached the crowd and stopped before they started smashing in his windshields. He then zoomed off after he realized he was being attacked. If people truly felt threatened by the driver I BELIEVE that running up to the truck and attacking it wasn't going to make them or the other protesters any safer. But again, that's MY opinion.
At this point I think we need to turn it over to an anonymous jury (the other members of this board) for their input.
Firearms and vehicles are both considered to be 'lethal force' so I consider the comparison appropriate. Pretty poor form that, instead of acknowledging you were wrong regarding the legality of preemptive self-defence, you decide to run a poll with loaded questions.
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I guess it depends on the law and whether preemptive self defense is allowed.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: koods] 2
#26874936 - 08/11/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I supplied 3 pages worth of evidence showing fal is a liar troll and he ignored every bit of it and continually claims I never posted it.
Fal can sit here and cry all day long about how I never supplied evidence and how I'm a big meanie but it stands that he is a liar.
Anyone can go back 2-5 pages and see where I requoted the same quote 4 times at fals request and he continually claimed I never posted it. What would you call that other than a lie?
Honestly where the fuck is ballsalsa and why isnt this considered trolling?
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26874938 - 08/11/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: You didn't say 'Vahn did a better job than natedawgnow', you referred to a general "others". I participated in that thread - I never saw any compelling argument that antifa is an organized domestic terror group.
Fair enough, but you were defending natedawgnow's position. 
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shivas.wisdom said: Please provide direct sources to the specific defensive positions vahn has made, rather than waving your hand vaguely at a thread consisting of hundreds of posts.
Read the OP. The first reply to that post was one of ridicule, not one of actual discussion/debate.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26874943 - 08/11/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I supplied 3 pages worth of evidence showing fal is a liar troll and he ignored every bit of it and continually claims I never posted it.
Fal can sit here and cry all day long about how I never supplied evidence and how I'm a big meanie but it stands that he is a liar.
Anyone can go back 2-5 pages and see where I requoted the same quote 4 times at fals request and he continually claimed I never posted it. What would you call that other than a lie?
Honestly where the fuck is ballsalsa and why isnt this considered trolling?
Still no specifics, just more accusations? Dude, I'm willing to take a BAN if you can point out the lie, but all you and koods do is keep saying "it's in there somewhere! You gotta believe the make believers! (you and koods)"
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26874950 - 08/11/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Source, or make believe.
I love it when people ask me that question, because everyone here knows I ALWAYS provide a source.
Weird that you continue to avoid responding to this then:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Though I disagree with much of what Vahn says, he does a better job of backing himself up than most people here. 
I be very interested in seeing you attempt to back up this claim, because I've tried really hard to have them provide supporting arguments and I don't believe I've seen any yet. Please share some examples of the numerous times Vahn has backed up their beliefs with evidence or reason.
It seems you have a gripe with "most people here" - I'm reminded of this recent post of yours also directed to Vahn:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That puts you and I in the minority here, and is why I updated my current signature. Most people here judge the person or the party, not the content/context.
I think I pissed a few people off on my own side by calling them out on their mistakes. Not because I'm against THEM, but because of something they said.
And when I called you out on this, you choose to selectively edit the quote in your response to just this:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I think I pissed a few people off on my own side by calling them out on their mistakes. Not because I'm against THEM, but because of something they said.
And when I called you out on the part you removed, I don't think you ever responded. Maybe you'll take the time to respond now: make believe or do you have evidence for this?
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26874954 - 08/11/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: You didn't say 'Vahn did a better job than natedawgnow', you referred to a general "others". I participated in that thread - I never saw any compelling argument that antifa is an organized domestic terror group.
Fair enough, but you were defending natedawgnow's position. 
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shivas.wisdom said: Please provide direct sources to the specific defensive positions vahn has made, rather than waving your hand vaguely at a thread consisting of hundreds of posts.
Read the OP. The first reply to that post was one of ridicule, not one of actual discussion/debate.
No, I was calling out your make believe. Don't presume to know my intent.
I still haven't seen you link me to the specific defensive positions Vahn made, which you refer to. Source or make believe.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26874957 - 08/11/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I supplied 3 pages worth of evidence showing fal is a liar troll and he ignored every bit of it and continually claims I never posted it.
Fal can sit here and cry all day long about how I never supplied evidence and how I'm a big meanie but it stands that he is a liar.
Anyone can go back 2-5 pages and see where I requoted the same quote 4 times at fals request and he continually claimed I never posted it. What would you call that other than a lie?
Honestly where the fuck is ballsalsa and why isnt this considered trolling?
Still no specifics, just more accusations? Dude, I'm willing to take a BAN if you can point out the lie, but all you and koods do is keep saying "it's in there somewhere! You gotta believe the make believers! (you and koods)"
Falcon is pretty confident. I don't feel like digging through back pages. Someone post his biggest lie here and re-explain from the top for idiots like me.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26874958 - 08/11/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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<--- fal
Now he's a revisionist too? Fuck, fal
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
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Multiple videos! That doesn't mean shit. Anybody with the internet can go find a video that says the opposite (as usual, your confirmation bias is obvious). You come up with 35 videos where a person is annoyed with traffic and says something like "I don't support this cause because it made my commute long" and you'll have something, or well, a little bit of something. As is, you have videos of people being annoyed. That's it. It doesn't even prove that they are against BLM or Antifa, or any other movement, it just proves that in the moment they are annoyed.
As far as the irony is concerned, yes.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26874963 - 08/11/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fal, I will not keep quoting sources for you just to be ignored. You 2 are now trolling. This shit is not allowed here and I'm surprised enlil/salsa arent doing anything.
I have more to do with my time than spend 3 pages trying to get fal to read the source he asked for and I supplied 4 separate times
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#26874964 - 08/11/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: You didn't say 'Vahn did a better job than natedawgnow', you referred to a general "others". I participated in that thread - I never saw any compelling argument that antifa is an organized domestic terror group.
Fair enough, but you were defending natedawgnow's position. 
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shivas.wisdom said: Please provide direct sources to the specific defensive positions vahn has made, rather than waving your hand vaguely at a thread consisting of hundreds of posts.
Read the OP. The first reply to that post was one of ridicule, not one of actual discussion/debate.
No, I was calling out your make believe. Don't presume to know my intent.
I still haven't seen you link me to the specific defensive positions Vahn made, which you refer to. Source or make believe.
I don't think you two are talking about the same thing.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26874968 - 08/11/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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<--- fal
Now he's a revisionist too? Fuck, fal 
Phrasing is a funny thing. That comma will probably save you from a warning/ban.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26874971 - 08/11/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Fal, I will not keep quoting sources for you just to be ignored. You 2 are now trolling. This shit is not allowed here and I'm surprised enlil/salsa arent doing anything.
I have more to do with my time than spend 3 pages trying to get fal to read the source he asked for and I supplied 4 separate times
Your opposition is willing to do a lot more to make their case than you are willing to do to make yours.
This is because you have no case, silly.
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