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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: nooneman]
#26861890 - 08/04/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: The only time it should ever be considered is in a situation like Tiananmen where you are trying to physically prevent people from getting killed by doing so. Aside from that, there is never any good argument for blocking traffic, and in addition it hurts and discredits protests. It has never, ever even once helped the cause that the people blocking traffic are trying to advocate for. Every time, it hurts their cause. Every time.
MLK Jr and others back in the 60s could have done that, and I'm sure someone brought it up at some point, but they never did.
That's a bit of a silly line to draw. You're basically saying "it's only okay to block traffic if I agree with the cause of the protest."
Besides, the point of a protest is to cause a disruption to society. It kinda defeats the purpose if you all just form an orderly queue and quietly walk through the path cordoned off by the cops.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: nooneman] 2
#26862025 - 08/04/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: The only time it should ever be considered is in a situation like Tiananmen where you are trying to physically prevent people from getting killed by doing so. Aside from that, there is never any good argument for blocking traffic, and in addition it hurts and discredits protests. It has never, ever even once helped the cause that the people blocking traffic are trying to advocate for. Every time, it hurts their cause. Every time.
MLK Jr and others back in the 60s could have done that, and I'm sure someone brought it up at some point, but they never did.
Yeah they did, in Selma Alabama at the Edmond Pettis Bridge in 1965. Law enforcement's violent response to the civil rights protesters is known as Bloody Sunday. The anti-war movement also used this tactic.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26862052 - 08/04/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stink bomb the fuckers. YouTube has plenty of ways to make gallons of funky smelling shit. Buy you a pump spray, super soaker water guns fill up balloons ect
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Ganja420Boy]
#26862107 - 08/04/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Saul Alinsky, in Rules for Radicals, suggested bringing a lot of poor people to shopping malls and feeding them lots of beans, to create human stink bombs.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: koods] 1
#26862810 - 08/04/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I love how they just stepped aside cuz he was black... which of course makes me think they're a bunch of racists whether they realize it or not.
If they could discriminate and let black people through and not white people, (which is what they JUST did in this video), isn't that racist?
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koods said: Vahn: “protesters not letting traffic through is an outrage”
Also vahn: “protesters letting black traffic through is racist”
Fixed that for you, since you're the most intellectually dishonest debater on this board.
I’ve really enjoyed watching you have to take the worst positions on issues just to counter me. I feel I’ve contributed greatly to turning you into a guy who will make a fool of himself just to find a way to label even the most deserved criticism of trump as TDS.
To me, pointing out intellectual dishonesty isn't "the worst position on issues". It just means I'd rather have an honest debate without all the make believe many of us are so sick and tired of.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#26864730 - 08/05/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: 1. It's an incredibly accessible tactic. Everyone lives near a busy road so you don't have to travel very far to protest, and it's not very technically challenging so no specialized skills are necessary.
2. It's very effective at getting attention. Not every protest tactic is an appeal to public opinion; often the goal is to shut things down until the injustice is addressed. Traffic blockades cannot be ignored.
3. Right to protest > licence to drive
1. I agree on the technical aspect because it's not a moral argument being made.
2. Same as #1. You're making a technical argument for how it DOES get you more attention. Murder someone and you'll get attention, too. Attention ≠ Morality.
3. This is subjective.
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Is there ANY good argument for driving your vehicle into people blocking traffic?
Oh, definitely. Many reasons.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26864739 - 08/05/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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As pointed out, blocking traffic WILL raise attention for your group, but I perceive it as developing more enemies than allies.
Furthermore, it is likely that they are shooting their own cause in the foot by preventing so many black lives from getting to work, causing them to potentially lose jobs, definitely lose money, etc... (And who knows? Maybe a black man is missing the birth of his son. Maybe he's getting shaky from not getting his medication.)
If I ever get blocked by protesters, I'm blasting Nyan Cat as loud as I can. Bass completely up. Windows cracked for maximum effect. If they want to be loud and ruin my day, I can be even louder and ruin theirs.
If they so much as HIT my car, that's my justification to floor it. I won't be the physical aggressor until they are, I'll stick to being aggressive and annoying with noise because me and my sound system can do it WAY better than them.
However, if they cross the physical assault line, I'm out of there. If they wanna jump on my hood and try to push my car back, they must not really value their lives that much. A man was shot in my hometown of Provo Utah. Numerous accounts of windows being broken. It's not safe to let these mobs of people be in front of you.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26864775 - 08/05/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's civil disobedience. You getting pissed about it is one of the reasons why it's an effective tactic at bringing awareness. They're pissed, too. That's the point. No one in their sane mind would block a highway without a strong impetus.
It's literally the sort of actions that the USA was founded on.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Rapjack]
#26865328 - 08/05/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is there ANY good argument for throwing rocks and snowballs at redcoats? Really, I don't know what those dumbass colonists were expecting, of course the soldiers fired back.
I'm all for free speech and freedom of assembly, but that simply is not a good way to get your point across, all it does is antagonize potential supporters of your movement and risks getting people hurt.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26865502 - 08/05/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Murder someone and you'll get attention, too.
This is a very good point.
When all avenues of peaceful protest are blocked, the only outlet is violent uprising. Would you prefer that people do their protests peacefully and quietly, out of sight and out of mind, until they snap and bring out the guillotines?
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kryptos]
#26865821 - 08/06/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they so much as HIT my car, that's my justification to floor it. I won't be the physical aggressor until they are, I'll stick to being aggressive and annoying with noise because me and my sound system can do it WAY better than them.
Yes you will be the aggressor. You’ve decided you want to murder someone for inconveniencing you and you are hoping for a justification. This is pretty fucked up, right here.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: koods]
#26865888 - 08/06/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they so much as HIT my car, that's my justification to floor it. I won't be the physical aggressor until they are, I'll stick to being aggressive and annoying with noise because me and my sound system can do it WAY better than them.
Yes you will be the aggressor. You’ve decided you want to murder someone for inconveniencing you and you are hoping for a justification. This is pretty fucked up, right here.
It's called self-defense, dude. And if protesters were smashing your windows in too and you started shouting through them, "Hey, can we just talk about this!?" You're dead.
Good luck with that.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26865964 - 08/06/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You have the demeanor of a short, balding guy playing tough online
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: koods]
#26865978 - 08/06/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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And your demeanor is not fat, just big boned. And are those cheesy poof stains I see all over your fingers?
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26866013 - 08/06/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they so much as HIT my car, that's my justification to floor it. I won't be the physical aggressor until they are, I'll stick to being aggressive and annoying with noise because me and my sound system can do it WAY better than them.
Yes you will be the aggressor. You’ve decided you want to murder someone for inconveniencing you and you are hoping for a justification. This is pretty fucked up, right here.
It's called self-defense, dude.
Not in any court of law, it isn't.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Enlil]
#26866113 - 08/06/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they so much as HIT my car, that's my justification to floor it. I won't be the physical aggressor until they are, I'll stick to being aggressive and annoying with noise because me and my sound system can do it WAY better than them.
Yes you will be the aggressor. You’ve decided you want to murder someone for inconveniencing you and you are hoping for a justification. This is pretty fucked up, right here.
It's called self-defense, dude.
Not in any court of law, it isn't.
The privilege some users display is incredible. Makes me wonder if some of them are teens just because some views expressed in PD are simply not grounded in having lived in the real world for any amount of time.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26866134 - 08/06/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they so much as HIT my car, that's my justification to floor it. I won't be the physical aggressor until they are, I'll stick to being aggressive and annoying with noise because me and my sound system can do it WAY better than them.
Yes you will be the aggressor. You’ve decided you want to murder someone for inconveniencing you and you are hoping for a justification. This is pretty fucked up, right here.
It's called self-defense, dude. And if protesters were smashing your windows in too and you started shouting through them, "Hey, can we just talk about this!?" You're dead.
Good luck with that.
Again, where is fal to call you a make believer? Lots of make believe right there
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: koods]
#26866148 - 08/06/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You have the demeanor of a short, balding guy playing tough online
Really? All along I was thinking short because he's underaged.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26866158 - 08/06/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they so much as HIT my car, that's my justification to floor it. I won't be the physical aggressor until they are, I'll stick to being aggressive and annoying with noise because me and my sound system can do it WAY better than them.
Yes you will be the aggressor. You’ve decided you want to murder someone for inconveniencing you and you are hoping for a justification. This is pretty fucked up, right here.
It's called self-defense, dude. And if protesters were smashing your windows in too and you started shouting through them, "Hey, can we just talk about this!?" You're dead.
Good luck with that.
Again, where is fal to call you a make believer? Lots of make believe right there
The only make believe in this thread are the people who are in denial about how they'd feel if they had a mob of people smashing their car windows in.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26866190 - 08/06/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: It's called self-defense, dude. And if protesters were smashing your windows in too and you started shouting through them, "Hey, can we just talk about this!?" You're dead.
Good luck with that.
Again, where is fal to call you a make believer? Lots of make believe right there
I've seen it happen in the LA riots. It doesn't always happen, of course, but it can.
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