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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26873052 - 08/10/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Honestly, I really do get a kick out of it when protesters act genuinely shocked that these things happen to them when they stand in the road.

Those that choose to "disrupt" society need to be adequately prepared to deal with the consequences. Especially if their goal is to dismantle at least some of, if not all of the law. When they're done, who do they expect to protect them anyway?



I'll disagree with this point.  Balls was wrong about me saying I 'hit' other protesters, and I think disruptive protesting is ok.  But I do agree with qman that "the organizers of the protest need to make sure vehicles don't have the opportunity to come close to where the protest is taking place", and if they don't do that, protesters don't have a right to smash cars they don't like.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26873062 - 08/10/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm obviously against harming innocent life. and I'm not saying that morally I'd feel okay driving into anyone. I know where I stand and I'm not interested in violence, only defense against violence.

However, I don't see people standing in the road as, "innocent." They moment they try to block traffic, they've completely lost their innocence in the same way revolutionaries who rebel against their nations do. (They should feel lucky their cities let them do it in the first place.) And I find my self lacking in sympathy when someone who is in the streets gets injured by a vehicle. You wanna dance around the fire, don't fall in... but if you do, don't get mad at the fire for being there in the first place.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26873063 - 08/10/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Another way of putting is that these are the weakest group of revolutionaries ever if they rely on the same people who they are fighting against to save and protect them when things don't go their way.

That's why it's more like a LARP and it's not going to make anything better.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26873066 - 08/10/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My misunderstanding.
You drove slowly through a crowd which stepped aside for you after you intimidated them with the threat of hitting them with your car.  That's what driving slowly into a crowd is, a threat that you might harm them if they don't move.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26873074 - 08/10/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Or maybe it's a request for them to move because you need to get through and you're hoping they can show some common courtesy. Inching forward is typically a way to say, "hey, I gotta go. Can I go?"

Not everyone knows that these groups organize specifically to PREVENT traffic from coming through. (The dumbest M.O. in existence.)


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26873077 - 08/10/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm obviously against harming innocent life. and I'm not saying that morally I'd feel okay driving into anyone. I know where I stand and I'm not interested in violence, only defense against violence.

However, I don't see people standing in the road as, "innocent." They moment they try to block traffic, they've completely lost their innocence in the same way revolutionaries who rebel against their nations do. (They should feel lucky their cities let them do it in the first place.) And I find my self lacking in sympathy when someone who is in the streets gets injured by a vehicle. You wanna dance around the fire, don't fall in... but if you do, don't get mad at the fire for being there in the first place.



Nobody is calling for the dismantling of all laws

Protesting in the road is not illegal

Revolutionaries rebelling against their nation is literally how america came to be.

Why the fuck wont fal criticize where it's actually due?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26873103 - 08/10/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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My misunderstanding.
You drove slowly through a crowd which stepped aside for you after you intimidated them with the threat of hitting them with your car.  That's what driving slowly into a crowd is, a threat that you might harm them if they don't move.



Or maybe it's a request for them to move because you need to get through and you're hoping they can show some common courtesy.



That's exactly what it was.  No one was fearful of my car, people stepped aside out of courtesy (if there was fear, it wasn't apparent), and I think balls is trying a little to hard to justify his position those people had a right to smash in my car's windows.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26873106 - 08/10/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why the fuck wont fal criticize where it's actually due?



Are you not reading my posts?  Here's my disagreement.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26873139 - 08/10/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm obviously against harming innocent life. and I'm not saying that morally I'd feel okay driving into anyone. I know where I stand and I'm not interested in violence, only defense against violence.

However, I don't see people standing in the road as, "innocent." They moment they try to block traffic, they've completely lost their innocence in the same way revolutionaries who rebel against their nations do. (They should feel lucky their cities let them do it in the first place.) And I find my self lacking in sympathy when someone who is in the streets gets injured by a vehicle. You wanna dance around the fire, don't fall in... but if you do, don't get mad at the fire for being there in the first place.



Nobody is calling for the dismantling of all laws

Protesting in the road is not illegal

Revolutionaries rebelling against their nation is literally how america came to be.

Why the fuck wont fal criticize where it's actually due?




You don't have the right to block or obstruct traffic


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: MightyWhite]
    #26873149 - 08/10/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You absolutely do.  There is no express right to drive a vehicle in the road, though.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26873154 - 08/10/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You absolutely do.  There is no express right to drive a vehicle in the road, though.







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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26873176 - 08/10/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why the fuck wont fal criticize where it's actually due?



Are you not reading my posts?  Here's my disagreement.



Disagreeing with one point about disruptive protest is not criticizing.

Where is you make believe rhetoric when vahn says dems want to dismantle all laws?

You cry make believe at everyone else except the guy who claims we're in a race war;
That white peeps will soon be executed in the streets; That antifa is an organized domestic terror group; etc.

Where is your demand of sources for vahns bullshit? Come on dude you know what I'm talking about.

I want a source for dems wanting to abolish laws. I want a source for us being
in an ethnic conflict as it is defined internationally. Vahn thinks this is on par with rwanda and you say nothing.

He literally said this is a race war that will end with whites being executed in the street :lol:


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26873178 - 08/10/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You absolutely do.  There is no express right to drive a vehicle in the road, though.




No you don't

Better educate yourself before you get run over
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights/


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26873180 - 08/10/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #26873184 - 08/10/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You absolutely do.  There is no express right to drive a vehicle in the road, though.




No you don't

Better educate yourself before you get run over
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights/




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Your rights are strongest in what are known as “traditional public forums,” such as streets, sidewalks, and parks. You also likely have the right to speak out on other public property, like plazas in front of government buildings, as long as you are not blocking access to the government building or interfering with other purposes the  property was designed for.




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You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. If you don’t have a permit, police officers can ask you to move to the side of a street or sidewalk to let others pass or for safety reasons.




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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: MightyWhite]
    #26873188 - 08/10/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You only have the right to block traffic if your protest has a permit.

Time and place permits are meant to limit your rights so fuck em


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26873203 - 08/10/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You highlighted ask because its a request and not a order?

Quick question, how long do permits last onced issued?

Did the protest in the video have the required permits?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26873219 - 08/10/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You cry make believe at everyone else except the guy who claims we're in a race war;



I already said that depends on how one defines "race war" which is a very ambiguous term.  Vahn offered a Wikipedia definition and koods offered a make believe definition of a traditional "war" with bombs and such, against a "race".

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That white peeps will soon be executed in the streets



I remember Vahn disagreeing about this, but maybe I missed the post you're referring to?

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That antifa is an organized domestic terror group



That's his opinion.  Though I disagree, he's done a much better job defending his position than others have in attacking it.

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Where is your demand of sources for vahns bullshit?



Vahn is one of the best at providing sources while the rest of you simply call him stupid.

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I want a source for dems wanting to abolish laws.



I'm not sure what you're referring to here.  What laws did he say they wanted abolished?  :shrug:

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I want a source for us being in an ethnic conflict as it is defined internationally.



How is ethnic conflict defined internationally if not the Wikipedia definition Vahn provided?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26873234 - 08/10/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dude you seriously suck at this
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"Terrorism (Noun):

1. The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. The state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. Terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government."

Let's focus on #1 and #3.

We essentially have two opposing forces and MOST of America is going to agree that at least one of these two organizations, (if not both), are terrorists: Antifa/Rioters and Police/Government.


So, who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL terrorists?

I lean toward all of them, but I'll take the boys in blue over any other group.

Hypothetically, the result of Antifa having all the power right now would mean an immediate return to a caste system with black people at the very top and white people at the very bottom. The sins of the fathers would be heaped on the heads of the sons and we'd likely see executions in the street. We'd look like Venezuela in 6 months. That power is unbridled, unchecked, and ironically completely fascist and racist. (All the things they claim to hate.)

This is, hypothetically of course, assuming China doesn't nut so hard over far leftists after they finish sucking its dick that it claims us as their own.

Cops and government fuck up, but no cops just means drug lords rise as the terrorist/boss of any given territory anyway, and I promise you they aint as civil as cops.





Thats vahns FIRST post in the are they all terrorists thread.

Holy fuck see this is why I don't bother going back to quote shit over and over.
You purposefully skim over it and deny its existence


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
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