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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26869170 - 08/07/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: I prefer to look at it as Schrodinger's truck. The driver is both malicious in his intent and innocent at the same time and only when we know his true intentions will we know which is right.
...."“I don’t wanna run nobody over," Said the man in the truck after he made it a few blocks to safety.
This will be the 5th time I posted it. We don't have to speculate. Seriously. 
I'm the king of Canada. Must be true because I said it.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26869174 - 08/07/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's not saying you made it up. He's saying nobody would admit to intentional attempted murder
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26869181 - 08/07/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heh... maybe I AM giving my opposition way too much credit.
If the protesters and rioters (and their supporters) are too mentally challenged to realize this guy just turned down the wrong road and was in the wrong place at the wrong time, then they're not anywhere close to smart enough to start or end any actual effective revolution. They're just pawns being used by larger powers and don't even realize it.
Really, it's nothing more than a cute LARP. I'd breathe easy if they weren't being used so effectively as political tools.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26869183 - 08/07/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The best press, is free press. Thats not worse. Interesting that you think the protestors have already failed, seems premature to me regardless.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26869185 - 08/07/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the protesters and rioters (and their supporters) are too mentally challenged to realize this guy just turned down the wrong road and was in the wrong place at the wrong time, then they're not anywhere close to smart enough to start or end any actual effective revolution.
So now you're a mind reader too?
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26869186 - 08/07/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the driver(and his supporters) are too mentally challenged to realize a group of people standing with with signs in the road is a protest and to turn around, then they're not anywhere close to smart.
Dude saw them from a 1/4 mile away. Get outta here with the feign ignorance stance
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26869188 - 08/07/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This will be like the third time I'll say it. You're assuming that he knew they were blocking the road and didn't want any cars to pass. He might have wanted to ask them to move cuz he was in a hurry. He might have thought they were going to move on their own in a slow march that had temporarily stopped.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26869195 - 08/07/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see your stance, what I dont understand is how you think this scene has any historical significance? Seems like a mild incident compared to other countries.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26869197 - 08/07/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, this scene isn't going to be significant historically, it's just relevant to enforce points I've been making for weeks.
We'll get more examples of these things soon, and they will be even better. The mob is only going to get worse and more rabid. Grab your popcorn.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26869205 - 08/07/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: And I'm pointing out that the driver's intentions don't matter in the slightest.
I tend to disagree, if someone is looking for a confrontation and intentionally drives into a protest, I have major issues with that behavior.
If someone innocently drives into a protest and gets attacked, I have serious issues with that behavior as well.
I don't like this preemptive attacking of vehicles because of protesters being paranoid of getting run over. This behavior obviously undermines the movement.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kwyjibo] 1
#26869217 - 08/07/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: I haven't formed an opinion either way, there's not enough evidence.
Good, we should both gang up against people who say they know the driver had malicious intent.
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Kwyjibo said: What you consider evidence in this case is nothing but speculation on your part. I could just as easily speculate that the broken window obstructed his view and he couldn't see the protesters to run them over but that's no more or less valid than your theory since neither of us knows his intention. You just believe your make believe because it fits your narrative.
Again, if you're looking for 100% proof, I already said that it's not there. Your theory is certainly another valid possibility, though I wouldn't say it's "no more or less valid".
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26869219 - 08/07/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the best argument against the vehicle wanting to plow through traffic (aside from the actual WORDS of the driver of course), is the fact that the truck came to a complete stop immediately the moment the motorbike came rushing in front of it.
Also, I agree with Qman. We should be against this kind of stuff no matter what side it is on. Police are guilty of it, citizens are guilty of it, because they are all humans. We need to point it out and condemn it.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: qman] 1
#26869224 - 08/07/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: And I'm pointing out that the driver's intentions don't matter in the slightest.
I tend to disagree, if someone is looking for a confrontation and intentionally drives into a protest, I have major issues with that behavior.
If someone innocently drives into a protest and gets attacked, I have serious issues with that behavior as well.
I don't like this preemptive attacking of vehicles because of protesters being paranoid of getting run over. This behavior obviously undermines the movement.

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Vahn421 said: I think the best argument against the vehicle wanting to plow through traffic (aside from the actual WORDS of the driver of course), is the fact that the truck came to a complete stop immediately the moment the motorbike came rushing in front of it.
Also, I agree with Qman. We should be against this kind of stuff no matter what side it is on. Police are guilty of it, citizens are guilty of it, because they are all humans. We need to point it out and condemn it.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26869235 - 08/07/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: I haven't formed an opinion either way, there's not enough evidence.
Good, we should both gang up against people who say they know the driver had malicious intent.
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Kwyjibo said: What you consider evidence in this case is nothing but speculation on your part. I could just as easily speculate that the broken window obstructed his view and he couldn't see the protesters to run them over but that's no more or less valid than your theory since neither of us knows his intention. You just believe your make believe because it fits your narrative.
Again, if you're looking for 100% proof, I already said that it's not there. Your theory is certainly another valid possibility, though I wouldn't say it's "no more or less valid".
I have yet to see a comment of some one asserting for sure that the driver had malicious intent.
But playing like he's totally innocent is just as stupid of a stance to take.
The only real assertion that i've heard from your opposition is that the actions of the protestors weren't entirely unwarranted, not justified, due to the current climate and precedent of attempted vehicular murder in todays time
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26869237 - 08/07/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the protesters are THAT paranoid about vehicular murder, then they are suicidal idiots who lack a shred of common sense for standing in the road. The idea that Antifa could stop a vehicle with actual malicious intent has to be one of the fucking dumbest ideas I've heard spouted, honestly.
The ONLY vehicles they are going to get their hands on to damage, for the most part, are going to be the ones that stop and ask, "What the fuck is going on?"
This is not hard.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26869239 - 08/07/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good, we should both gang up against people who say they know the driver had malicious intent.
Why gang up on only one side that's make believing and not the other? As you've said, we don't know what his intentions were so shouldn't we hold the people claiming he didn't have malicious intentions to the same standard as those that do?
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Your theory is certainly another valid possibility, though I wouldn't say it's "no more or less valid".
You're right, I wasn't giving myself enough credit. My theory is definitely right because I came up with it.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26869246 - 08/07/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm gonna make the point again in question form.
Is Antifa really fucking dumb enough to assume they could stop a vehicle with malicious intent? Really? They couldn't even stop a truck WITHOUT malicious intent AFTER popping one of its tires.
Clown World, man. Clown World. These, "revolutionaries" are like Ralph Wiggins.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26869256 - 08/07/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Antifa needs to go out and buy some .50 BMGs. That'll stop a vehicle.
Edit: if it catches the driver, well, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, am I right?
EDIT2: for the gun crazies going "AcTuALLy ThAt'S tHe CaRtRidGe" (not bullet!) Barret .50 cals on the rooftops. Those should also mess up some federales if the federales get a bit too uppity.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
#26869263 - 08/07/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I'm gonna make the point again in question form.
Is Antifa really fucking dumb enough to assume they could stop a vehicle with malicious intent? Really? They couldn't even stop a truck WITHOUT malicious intent AFTER popping one of its tires.
Clown World, man. Clown World. These, "revolutionaries" are like Ralph Wiggins.

If that is true you dont have to worry about the culture wars and the end of America as we know it. Dont worry about the rioters anymore.
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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26869270 - 08/07/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh trust me I'd write them all off as a bad LARP if they weren't blindly assisting a larger agenda as the ignorant pawns they are.
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