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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26869008 - 08/07/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You claimed he possibly didnt know there was a protest (bullshit on its face)

You've claimed that it was obvious from the video he had no intention of running others over.

You claim things are obvious, but when others make obvious observations they are just make believing


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26869014 - 08/07/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And I'm pointing out that the driver's intentions don't matter in the slightest.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26869016 - 08/07/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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In other threads you have made believe about the true meaning of trumps own words.
You are not a mind reader as far as I know



I go by what Trump says he means, not by what the media says he means.  :shrug:



Dude now youre being dishonest. Trump never said anything, his press secretary claimed he did.

His exact words were what they were.



That was ONE particular case.  You didn't mention that that's the case you were referring to in your original question.  Did Trump ever say his press secretary was lying?  If so, then I don't believe her.

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And yes you did make believe the drivers intent dude. Not gonna sit here and get into a bullshit semantics argument with you



Source, or make believe.  I've shown you a post where I said we can't know his intent.  If I said otherwise, please link to it or stop make believing about me.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26869021 - 08/07/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Cool.  My standard is pretty low.  I just want something more than make believe.



So you have something more than make believe regarding the drivers intentions?



I've posted MANY times I don't know the drivers intentions.  I'm pointing out that others who say they do are make believing.



You can't have it both ways. You can't say you don't know his intentions in one sentence and then say you know what his intentions were when he was driving away.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26869031 - 08/07/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You claimed he possibly didnt know there was a protest (bullshit on its face)



That's not a possibility?  You think everyone knows about every protest?  I can tell you with 100% certainty I have NO IDEA what protests are happening in the San Francisco Bay Area this weekend.

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You've claimed that it was obvious from the video he had no intention of running others over.

You claim things are obvious, but when others make obvious observations they are just make believing



My claim was he DIDN'T run anyone over, and asked why he didn't if that was his intent?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26869035 - 08/07/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why won't you address my point Fal?  It isn't like you to run away.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #26869036 - 08/07/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You can't have it both ways. You can't say you don't know his intentions in one sentence and then say you know what his intentions were when he was driving away.



You must have missed this post:
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If you want 100% scientific proof, no, of course I can't do that.

If you want reasonable proof then the fact that he didn't attempt to run anyone over, even after getting attacked, is pretty good.




I think you're like Enlil.  He won't admit he's wrong without 100% proof, but will say he's right with 1% proof.  My bar is greater than 50%, though I realize that's subjective.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26869045 - 08/07/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why won't you address my point Fal?  It isn't like you to run away.



It's only been 12 minutes; I'm replying to every post I can.  :smirk:

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And I'm pointing out that the driver's intentions don't matter in the slightest.



Agreed.  Do you think protesters belief of other people's intention matters when it's not obvious?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26869049 - 08/07/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You claimed he possibly didnt know there was a protest (bullshit on its face)




He may not have known. He may have thought they were marching and was just going to wait for it to end. Clearly, not everyone is as smart as you are, nate. :lol:

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You've claimed that it was obvious from the video he had no intention of running others over.

You claim things are obvious, but when others make obvious observations they are just make believing




This is like the 4th time I'm gonna put this here.

The first words out of this man's mouth after he drove off in his truck and got away to a safe distance (as a few of the protesters approached him) were: “I don’t wanna run nobody over,"

So. yes, things are obvious.

And here's your source. I've been posting sources ALL over the place lately, despite the weird claim that I lack evidence.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26869051 - 08/07/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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And I'm pointing out that the driver's intentions don't matter in the slightest.




And you're like, actually, completely, like, totally wrong, dude. 100%. I don't find you contemptible, but that idea you just threw out needs to be ridiculed with the utter contempt it deserves.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26869062 - 08/07/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been posting sources ALL over the place lately, despite the weird claim that I lack evidence.



He's right about that.  :shrug:


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26869069 - 08/07/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why people go ad hominem? Bal doesnt need my defense, but when you phrase stuff at a poster (let alone mod) most feel is credible; shouldnt be a mystery why you get flak, dude. The cut of your jib.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26869079 - 08/07/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You can't have it both ways. You can't say you don't know his intentions in one sentence and then say you know what his intentions were when he was driving away.



You must have missed this post:
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If you want 100% scientific proof, no, of course I can't do that.

If you want reasonable proof then the fact that he didn't attempt to run anyone over, even after getting attacked, is pretty good.




I think you're like Enlil.  He won't admit he's wrong without 100% proof, but will say he's right with 1% proof.  My bar is greater than 50%, though I realize that's subjective.



I haven't formed an opinion either way, there's not enough evidence. What you consider evidence in this case is nothing but speculation on your part. I could just as easily speculate that the broken window obstructed his view and he couldn't see the protesters to run them over but that's no more or less valid than your theory since neither of us knows his intention. You just believe your make believe because it fits your narrative.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #26869148 - 08/07/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is the crux of it all:

Most people assert there wasn't enough evidence of the driver's intentions. (Rational people with fully developed common sense would be able to at least use Occam's razor to deduct that it was highly likely he wasn't aggressive, however.) (Also, I've posted 4 times the guy LITERALLY said, "I don't want to run anybody over.")

The debate has come down to whether or not, in the absence of concrete evidence, the destruction of the truck was justified. One side says absolutely because the protesters were being threatened, the other side says absolutely not and because it wasn't, he was justified in driving off.

Both of these are basically moral positions, but I hold my position because of more than just morality. I hold my position because I know what kind of societal outcome we wind up in when we wind up collectively adopting the ridiculous idea that the car should have been destroyed.

The truth really is, protesters can step out of a road if they perceive a threat. Everything else is whiny bullshit from people who pretend they are victims, but really aren't.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26869153 - 08/07/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It really is absurdly hypocritical. They want to hold vehicles to the standard of laws that will be enforced if they run through protesters while declaring themselves victims and then on the other they want to dismantle the very systems, like police, that enforce those laws in the first place.

And replace it with what? This collective mob's rule?

Yeeeaaaaaah, fuck that.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26869157 - 08/07/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I prefer to look at it as Schrodinger's truck. The driver is both malicious in his intent and innocent at the same time and only when we know his true intentions will we know which is right.


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26869163 - 08/07/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What is the societal outcome if the majority public opinion is on a scene of a damaged truck? Kinda hindgey on things dude. Societal collapse?


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26869165 - 08/07/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I prefer to look at it as Schrodinger's truck. The driver is both malicious in his intent and innocent at the same time and only when we know his true intentions will we know which is right.




...."“I don’t wanna run nobody over," Said the man in the truck after he made it a few blocks to safety.

This will be the 5th time I posted it. We don't have to speculate. Seriously. :facepalm:


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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26869166 - 08/07/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kwyjibo said:
I prefer to look at it as Schrodinger's truck. The driver is both malicious in his intent and innocent at the same time and only when we know his true intentions will we know which is right.




...."“I don’t wanna run nobody over," Said the man in the truck after he made it a few blocks to safety.

This will be the 5th time I posted it. We don't have to speculate. Seriously. :facepalm:



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Re: Is there ANY good argument for blocking traffic? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26869167 - 08/07/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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What is the societal outcome if the majority public opinion is on a scene of a damaged truck? Kinda hindgey on things dude. Societal collapse?





Oh it's far more complex than that. It involves thinking patters that are rooted in (perhaps noble) idealism that doesn't play out in the real world at all and letting those ideas flourish for too long.

I've no doubt most of these protesters think they are doing a good thing, despite the fact that they are only making things worse for themselves and others.


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