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Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days.
    #26860583 - 08/03/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So I fully colonized my first bag of Golden Oysters. Before even opening the bag this cauliflower primordia had formed at the top. I figured that would be the best area to attempt a fruiting so I cut the top of the bag off and put it in my fruiting chamber (which is a tub that has FAE, GE, layer of perlite on bottom and automatic mister and fan. The humidity and temp is on point. But nothing has changed in 3 days. Is this normal? Do I just need to have some patience? Thanks for any insight 🙂.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26860596 - 08/03/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm no expert so I won't fully answer your question and risk giving you misinformation, but I will share my experience.

I have a bag of Pink Oyster Mushrooms fruiting right now. Some stages seem to happen incredibly fast, and then at other times it seemed "stuck" during colonizing, and now the same with fruiting. It is possible it needs more humidity but that didn't stop the fruits from getting the size of a couple fists. It may just be time for me to harvest, tape up the tiny X cut I made, and then make a little cut on the other side of the bag. I am not using a fruiting chamber so I have to keep my bag sealed to maintain the humidity so it is a bit different setup than yours and it is also possible I am just at too low humidity so my fruits stalled.

Anyways, getting too far into my own grow doesn't answer your question so i will stop there. My point is just that oysters grow fast but so far I have observed some things going fast and other times things have slowed down quite a bit, your bag may be the same.

Stay patient! Everything may be just fine, but some experts may have some advice for us as well. If it is contaminated that could also be an issue but I cannot tell, I do see those specs (especially yellow and specy on one of the left patches) but I will just assume that it is bits of substrate mixed into the mycelium? contamination can ruin any grow but I don't know enough about identifying contams and your pic isn't clear enough for me to have any idea if that is an issue or not so let's wait and see what others say, and in the meantime stay patient =)


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26860658 - 08/03/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the input! Yeah those specs are just sawdust, nothing unusual. And the yellow just seems to be normal metabolites. I should also state that I hve my mister spraying every 4 hours for 4 seconds (super fine mist). And the fan kicks in every 8 hours for 1 minute. Like I said the humidity and temp are both perfect, maybe I need to adjust the fan interval for more FAE? Anyway thanks for responding and good luck with your grow!
Here's a closer pic for anyone that's reading 🙂 .


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: MrTinAZ]
    #26860674 - 08/03/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's hard for oysters to decide what to do in that situation. likely they started to pin in a bunch of places on top because they'd colonized the sub, but then when you sliced the top of the bag out the surface got too dry and there wasn't enough fresh air to encourage development beyond primordia so they all aborted (with the collar of plastic around the top of the sub and the block inside a SGFC this makes sense to me). they like to be fruited through a little "X" cut in the bag where RH is high in the immediate area and then as the little shroom ventures out in to the world it breathes in all the fresh air it can handle.

What most people do is cut a hole in the top, push all the air out, then fold down and wrap the top tight around the bag and tape it so it doesn't move, then cut an X on the side of the bag that is a single layer of plastic.  It mimics how they fruit in nature - popping out of little knot holes or cracks in the bark of wood. If you start to see long stems developing they need more fresh air - they need a lot more than cubes, so if you haven't adjusted your SGFC to acommodate this you'll need to.

just saw you have the fan running every 8 hours for 1 minute - it needs way, way more than that. a few total air exchanges every hour.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: trubblesome]
    #26860691 - 08/03/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Right on. Thank you for all the insight. Im made this post bc I have another 5 bags  colonizing that Id like to not mess up again 😄. Ill def try the top slit and fold method next time Ive seen that method on youtube. I was concerned about doing it this time around bc I didnt want to "waste" that primordia on top, but it seems that may have wasted the whole block! Bummer. And thanks for the fan advice, I was just following the instructions of the youtube channel I built the autochamber from. Thanks! 👍


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26860727 - 08/03/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

nah it's definitely not wasted. it wants to make spores and reproduce so bad, it devoured that whole block and wants to put that energy to use! you could probably saran wrap the top and try fruiting again from a slit, but even just bumping the FAE I bet you'll have more pins develop, and it will simply abort the ones that aren't growing as fast once a clump or two take off.

just a heads up I was surprised the first time I grew goldens at how small they stay. You'll be like "wtf grow bigger" but they stay on the smaller side, compared to others like blues.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: trubblesome]
    #26861073 - 08/03/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ehhh... I think you might have a contamination issue there.

You can watch and see what it does, oyster is very aggressive and you might get some mushrooms, but oyster blocks don't normally look like that in my experience.

Although I haven't grown golden oysters yet myself.  Maybe someone that has can correct me.  I think those can't possible be pins but... maybe?


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: Forrester]
    #26861088 - 08/03/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I thought the same thing until I saw a similar post on here for Golden Oysters and had the exact same cauliflower like clusters (and theirs wound up producing fruits quite well). That prompted me to make this post. I personally dont think its contaminated cause I watched it colonize the bag thoroughly with no issues whatsoever. Either way, lets hope something good happens! Im gonna keep it in the chamber for a bit longer, will update if anything happens 😊.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26861207 - 08/03/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that post you resurrected had me second guess myself :lol:

It does look quite similar.  I've grown every color of oyster pretty much BUT yellow, so I'll be interested to see.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: Forrester]
    #26861725 - 08/03/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I couldn't get a great pic through the jar but you get the idea:





that's my GO spawn tonight...a bit overdue on the spawning...
the outdoor bed is pushing out a few clusters every time it rains and it's been great mushroom weather here lately so making more golden blocks hasn't been my top priority the last week or so. I should have more pins there tomorrow, i'll take a look in the morning and see if they look like this outdoors too


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: trubblesome]
    #26861772 - 08/03/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nice, looks very similar to my clusters IMO. It has been an awful mushroom year here.. extremely dry. I have an outdoor bed for spent blocks but its just been way too hot. I got a good amount of pearl oysters back in spring but havnt seen a single chanterelle in the woods this year.. Im just hoping we get some steady rain soon for maitake season 🤞. Ill update my post in a few days with whatever happens so us newbie golden growers can stay informed ha.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26864166 - 08/05/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quick update: the clusters have gotten much bigger, I can see yellowish tips starting to form! I ramped up the fan intervals for more fresh air. All in all I am very surprised how different this stage looks compared to other oyster species. Very interesting but the growths seem healthy just waiting on pins.



*Will continue to update. Hope this has been informative for anyone else surprised by the "cauliflower" like primordia of GO. 😊


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26864706 - 08/05/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that's wild, it's quite different looking from other oyster colors I've grown!


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: Forrester]
    #26868567 - 08/07/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Final update: so to give an idea of what Im doing. Im using an old monotub retrofitted to be a block fruiting chamber if that makes sense. I have the auto fan and mister dialed in for perfect RH, but Ive been doing this in the garage of a shared house apartment. The temp dropped overnight last night to 55* and it seems as though all the GO primordia has aborted. I know that a Martha or GH tent is the way to go but I just dont have the space for it. I busted up my golden blocks into buckets with aspen shavings to hopefully reinvigorate the mycelium. I have since moved on to my next set of colonized bags, King Oysters. Again I have them in this tiny fruiting chamber but have moved from the garage into the cool basement. Hopefully I can get something to grow eventually 😅. Ugh.



Any suggestions for initiating King Pins would be greatly appreciated. Ive spent the last 5 hours reading posts on here, my head is spinning.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26868728 - 08/07/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When the kings have colonized, let them consolidate for some time, a week at least, then cold shock and put in fruiting conditions. 

That's just from memory though, others have probably grown them more recently than I have, so I'll let them chime in as well.  A cold shock is often necessary though.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: Forrester]
    #26868737 - 08/07/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I colonized in 70-80*, is the transfer to the basement (60-65*) enough of a cold shock? Or do I refrigerate them for a bit like shitake?


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: sendmehummus]
    #26868761 - 08/07/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That *may* be close enough, you could try it first and see.  Leave it there for a couple days at least, and if you don't get pins then you know you're gonna need the fridge.

Unfortunately summer is like the worst time to try kings.


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    #26868765 - 08/07/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here's hoping.. thankfully the basement consistently stays in that temp range though.


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    #26868814 - 08/07/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's best to grow kings in a low temp controlled environment. Moving the blocks from your spawn run room to a low to mid 50s fruiting room will cold shock it and keep it growing well. Growing kings in warm temps can be balls because if you have any slip in your production it will go bacterial and stall/produce poorly. They really do like cooler temps even with squeaky clean sterile technique. I ran mine in a finished basement with tile flooring, with the ac running it was easy to maintain.

Your temps in the 60s are not ideal but who know's, wait and see.


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    #26868825 - 08/07/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Great info thanks man. Luckily summer is almost over here in northeast PA so my next round of blocks should have ideal temps on the way. I dont have an extra AC unit but Im thinkin' maybe of stacking an ice pack or two around my intake fan and swap them out. Its such a small chamber I bet I could get the temp down a few notches just doing that.


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    #26869444 - 08/08/20 03:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's already getting down into the 50's here in Maine, pretty soon the night time temp drops should be enough.


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: Forrester]
    #26869496 - 08/08/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wow jeez.

I really don't have that much experience with these things but is that not possibly something like Mycogone?

Don't know if any oysters can do that under particular circumstances. I guess it could also be a mutant. Did you get a commercial isolate and know this is a fruiting strain?


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Re: Golden Oysters- Are these "Cauliflower" structures normal?? Unchanged for 3 days. [Re: Solipsis]
    #26870286 - 08/08/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah got this off a site that I get my initial LC from every year. Ive just never grown Goldens before.. and most likely never will until I have more room to work with and more control. Even then, keeping temps up for them in the North is prob a struggle for any grower. I know it looks alien but it's def confirmed GO primordia. Yes it was advertised as a fruiting strain, and I def trust this company (Root Mush Farm). Just way too much temperature fluctuation here..


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