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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
    #26857273 - 08/01/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Probably.  I would never typically keep it that long, these were some leftovers IIRC.


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26857377 - 08/01/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Glad it worked out for ya.

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By the way, how much lemon do you guys use when preparing lemon tea? Do you have any recipe in particular?




I've only used whole lemons because I wasn't near a fridge to store the rest and didn't wanna waste it. But I think half a medium sized lemon would be just fine.

The recipe that worked best for me was this:
I rip up cracker dry shrooms into little pieces (I've tried coffee grinders to powderize but some of it turns to dust and gets lost in the atmosphere. Plus then I gotta clean the grinder).
I put shrooms in center of coffee filters, about a gram fits well in each filter and wrap it up and twist into ball and tie with bakers twine (Better if you have those cloth reusable tea bags).
Then I place it into lemon juice to soak for 10-15 min.
I put 3 slices fresh ginger in ~12oz water. Bring to boil.
Let cool 3 min (not sure if this is necessary, I don't think so).
Pour hot ginger water over tea bag and lemon juice. Get rid of those ginger pieces with a metal strainer of sorts.
Steep for an hour, squeezing the tea bag with a spoon every 20 min.
Swing the tea bag and chuck as far as you can (hopefully you use biodegradable filters).

I know that's super methodical but I like to experiment. A 15 min steep works but the time I drove an hour with the tea steeping, to see the ancient bristlecone pines, I had the most powerful one gram dose experience I've ever had.

Tonight, I will try a little honey, cinnamon, and caapi leaf.


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
    #26857506 - 08/01/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

crumble, chop or grind the shrooms

let them soak in the juice of a medium sized lemon for 15 minutes, stir a bit

(optionally add peppermint or ginger at this point)

pour boiling water over the mixture (you can wait until the bubbles have settled), stir firmly

cover the cup or wherever it's inside with a plate

strain well after 15 minutes

(optionally brew the strained stuff again with boiling water. strain again...)

you can add honey afterwards.


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
    #26858103 - 08/02/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It’s very difficult to measure how much lemon juice you need; it all depends on the concentration of citric acid in that particular lemon. I googled so many things without coming up with a definitive answer for how much citric acid is there in a lemon....

So I now use citric acid at a ratio of 1 part citric acid to 50 parts fresh mushrooms by weight. People have tried a ratio of 1:40 but with no seeming extra benefit, so 1:50 seems the most common ratio used. Get it right, it can double the strength of a dose.

My last tea I made from 650g fresh cubensis with 13g citric acid. It gave me 35 ice cubes at a relative strength of 1.8g each. It tastes so much more “lemony” than real lemon juice though!! Pretty yuck, but 50-60ml of tea is done in under a second so man up people :awesome:

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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26858346 - 08/02/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

yes, of course.. if you use more shrooms, you want more lemon. i use about 1 medium sized lemon for 2 grams of shrooms


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
    #26859757 - 08/02/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For those of you who freeze their tea in ice cubes for storage, do they thaw out as a homogenous liquid, or do you get any separation?

I used PrimalSoup's tea recipe with citric acid from about 290 grams of fresh mushrooms. I made into 14 ice cubes, so about 2 g dry each.

I used a nut milk bag to squeeze the liquid out, and tried a little bit (maybe 1 grams worth) the night I brewed it and it was quite nice. But I thawed out 2.5 cubes worth yesterday and the liquid was weirdly separated, like into the water part and then little spongy mats of musbroom material. I mixed it with some orange juice and gulped it. At 5 grams worth I thought I would have a decent trip but it didn't feel much stronger than the small amount I tried when I first brewed.

It's possible I didn't squeeze enough out and the ice cubes are weaker than I think. But wondering if you've seen that weird consistency when you thaw the cubes, or if I did something wrong somehow.


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: the strander]
    #26859824 - 08/02/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There's always that separation after thawing.  I just shake it up well before dividing up.


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: the strander]
    #26859909 - 08/03/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I had that the first time I tried my ice cubes, and the trip was,well, really weird yet really underwhelming. It felt like two distinct trips, each caused by the separated liquids!

What I do now is not to let the ice cubes thaw out on their own; ice cubes in the pan, pour on boiling water and bring back to boil, stirring all the while. Once thawed and mixed, allow to cool.

Also make sure the ice cube (trays) are in sealed bags, to slow absorption of chemicals into the air in the freezer!! ........ Really.

The next trip was spectacular :thumbup:
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26859919 - 08/03/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I store tea without lemon or any type of acid mixed in, just straight tap water and fungi :shrug: seems to store just fine in the freezer for long periods

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Also make sure the ice cube (trays) are in sealed bags, to slow absorption of chemicals into the air in the freezer!! ........ Really.

The next trip was spectacular :thumbup:
DJ Ed




If the ice cubes arnt sealed I could see them oxidizing quicker but I cant see the psilocybin/psilocin turning into a gas in the freezer, I highly highly highly doubt any normal household freezer gets cold enough or pressurized enough to sublimate psilocybin :shrug:

The oxygen in the air can totally oxidize the psilocybin potentially and make the tea lose potency though but the psilocybin is in the tea still just the broken down oxidized form


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26860063 - 08/03/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don’t have any scientific evidence to back that up, apart from posts on here saying the same, and my first attempt I threw all the ice cubes in the bin. Really weak after only 4 weeks in freezer, yet I knew the batch was strong, having eaten fresh.

I bought some large zip baggies;,I simply place two ice cube trays in and seal before freezing. Do not know whether they are safe once frozen. Maybe somebody could comment?

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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26860080 - 08/03/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting. I have the ice cubes in a ziploc, not still in trays.

I'll try warming them up next time and mix well (my attempts at mixing the ones thawed at room temp didn't really work). Will try again in two weeks or so and see whether I have any different experience.


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: the strander]
    #26860221 - 08/03/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
    #26860521 - 08/03/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’d love to try that but can’t get hold,of any alcohol that strength. So I tried using 40% vodka for 6 weeks.

And that’s the key, 6 weeks. And a lot of hassle reducing down to a measurable quantity (like 1cc = 1g type thing).

Using citric acid and fresh mushrooms to make a tea nd freeze is sorted in about 30 minutes, entire fresh harvest and preserving the chemicals just as readily :thumbup:

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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26860948 - 08/03/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..

can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
    #26861235 - 08/03/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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epilectric said:
yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..

can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...



Oh dude, seriously, I have never thought of that. Guess what I’ll be trying soon? Haha.

I’ve always been considered in the higher bracket, intelligence-wise. But as my family have always said, I have no common sense!

Take care dude
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26861273 - 08/03/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Only Iso, for Ethanol here the source is liquor stores, and I think Everclear is no longer avail.  151 Rum would probably do the trick though.

Still, can't beat citric acid tea, gets a kg of harvest weight down to half a liter of tea in the freezer. :solidnod:

Plus, it gets all of the psilocybin AND the psilocin in one go, which can't be emphasized enough.  :havesomescience:


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26861309 - 08/03/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don’t have any scientific evidence to back that up, apart from posts on here saying the same, and my first attempt I threw all the ice cubes in the bin. Really weak after only 4 weeks in freezer, yet I knew the batch was strong, having eaten fresh.

I bought some large zip baggies;,I simply place two ice cube trays in and seal before freezing. Do not know whether they are safe once frozen. Maybe somebody could comment?

Cheers
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Oh man I definitely agree they could lose potency if not stored in an airtight bag or something

It was the way you worded it made it sound like the psilocybin was evaporating off and that's why they lost potency while I was saying the air oxidized the psilocybin  in the ice cube and that's why they lost potency

:shrug: either way they lost potency


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26861339 - 08/03/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
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epilectric said:
yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..

can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...



Oh dude, seriously, I have never thought of that. Guess what I’ll be trying soon? Haha.

I’ve always been considered in the higher bracket, intelligence-wise. But as my family have always said, I have no common sense!

Take care dude
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ahahah great, same here :laugh:


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
    #26861394 - 08/03/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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epilectric said:
Quote:

DJ Ed said:
Quote:

epilectric said:
yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..

can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...



Oh dude, seriously, I have never thought of that. Guess what I’ll be trying soon? Haha.

I’ve always been considered in the higher bracket, intelligence-wise. But as my family have always said, I have no common sense!

Take care dude
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ahahah great, same here :laugh:




I could be wrong cause different areas have different things and stuff but all the pharmacy's around here that sell alcohol for disinfectant and stuff only sell ISO which isnt drinking alcohol and can make you really sick to drink

To get pure alcohol you have to order from a chem supply store usually since ethanol is extremely hydroscopic  as soon as the bottle is exposed to air it absorbs some water dropping it down to 95% (same percentage as everclear)

Isopropyl is different from ethyl alcohol and the stuff for cleaning wounds an such is iso (atleast around here)


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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
    #26861492 - 08/03/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Can't find high percentage of iso where I'm at but I was super happy when my folks ordered some grain alcohol (everclear). They got their sanitizer and I got my solution for making changa  :grin:


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