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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26859695 - 08/02/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are "balanced" strains with a mix of THC and CBD, not sure if that is the result when crossing a high THC strain and a high CBD strain but it seems like it would make sense.
Elsewhere online I've seen it suggested that the ratio of THC to CBD in such strains is influenced a lot by how they're grown, but I'm not sure of the details or whether there is a way to tailor the conditions to push things in the high THC direction.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: psi]
#26860088 - 08/03/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see. well, I reckon all I can do is just wait and see what happens. maybe they will surprise me in the end. Thanks for the reply
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26860287 - 08/03/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This year I unintentionally grew a balanced strain, didn't research what I was buying. Probably just as well though, the high THC stuff makes me a bit nuts.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: psi] 1
#26860864 - 08/03/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I'm hoping that if they did cross that it will be balanced, but so far you can only get a headache from smoking any part of them,and edibles do absolutely nada!
Here are a few of the beasts. They are so freaking tall!
Some go so tall, that even bending them down,and even snapping the stems didn't work.
These are in a pretty secluded area, so I just let them do their thing.
This one only got really bushy because it got topped early on by a deer. I'd say it's right at 8 feet tall.


These two had no branching either until I topped them a couple weeks back,and they have since grown a few feet since. The tallest is probably is about 9 foot.

And here is an un-topped one that has actually got a bit branching to it.

Now this is the typical hemp looking style of most all the other plants.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26861341 - 08/03/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey there,
I just wanted to drop my opinion here.
As long as I know when breeding cannabis, male plant's chromosomes are dominant so if you get pollen from hemp it means your F1 will be mostly like the plant that pollen comes from. I'm sure there are exceptions it's just the ratio, in other words it's lottery. I'm sure you have the chance that there is some mixed potency there but honestly I doubt it based on my experiences, I could be wrong tho, time will tell it for sure.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
#26861490 - 08/03/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dang, I was afraid of that.
You said based on your experiences. Did this happen to you,and if so, were the resulting plants trash?
I know one thing, even sampling immature buds, which normally held me over until harvest time the previous years got me super stoned. But this year, not one sample off of any plant has go me anything but a severe headache, literally.
So, with the amount of plants that I have out, and their sizes, I was looking at quite a few pounds, and now I'm still looking at it, it's just going to be worthless hemp.
Oh well. you live and learn.
Thanks for the reply, it's just the conformation that I needed.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26861824 - 08/03/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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there is a paper acutally on this subject. you will get some hemp some thc and some varied mix of higher cbd 1:1 etc. this is what first wave of cbd plants was and anything "swiss" was hemp crossed to thc plants. likely why eirdbeer is often high in cbd.
hemp is cool just make RSO and high cbd oil great for caps if take enough plenty of thc even for lightweights to get a little buzz ie few mg. hemp is more or less 10:1 ratio. ie 1 gram of decent hemp is 20-30mg of cbd and 2ishmg of thc. so a couple grams of hemp or 100mg of hemp RSO decarbed in edible is a nice light medical snack
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: the man]
#26861858 - 08/04/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Usually with plant breeding, the female traits will be dominant in the offspring. In F1 generations there will be a big diversity of phenotypes that pop up.
The wind or bees certainly could have brought hemp pollen to your plants. It would be hard to know for sure. I wouldn't trash them. You might get something nice out of it. It does take time for cannabinoids to form properly in the trichomes.
I have a Pennywise phenotype that's 1:1 ratio at around 10%, and I love the high from it. It has an awesome terpene profile too. Its not quite like what a high THC plant would do, but you definitely feel it much more than straight high CBD flowers.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26861947 - 08/04/20 03:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Allium said: Dang, I was afraid of that.
You said based on your experiences. Did this happen to you,and if so, were the resulting plants trash?
I know one thing, even sampling immature buds, which normally held me over until harvest time the previous years got me super stoned. But this year, not one sample off of any plant has go me anything but a severe headache, literally.
Well to answer your question, yeah unfortunately I got shit out of them all the time. In my teenage years I had some experiments with pack-seeds which came from hemp-pollinated flowers due to my country was a hemp farm back in the days and it gone wild from these fields and now is everywhere on countrysides. All of them contains no THC even if the buds look trichomey and smells skunky.
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hummingbird said: Usually with plant breeding, the female traits will be dominant in the offspring. In F1 generations there will be a big diversity of phenotypes that pop up.
The wind or bees certainly could have brought hemp pollen to your plants. It would be hard to know for sure. I wouldn't trash them. You might get something nice out of it. It does take time for cannabinoids to form properly in the trichomes.
I don't know if this is true since I wrote the opposite. I thought male traits would be dominant. And look at his pictures, he stated that none of his plants looked like before this year. And his plants, oh them are so huge, and that last picture, the early flowering skinny top cola all pointing towards to hemp sativa. Maybe the genes that responsible for THC production are genetically modified in hemp so they can keep it low, these might be dominant genes so I'd start digging somewhere here, but I'm no expert, it just happened a lot of times to me in the past.
May I ask do you have any experience with it or could you please back it up with a source? (No offense at all my buddy, I'm just curious as well as OP)
p.s. I wouldn't chuck them all, you still could get out something from them, maybe not as potent buds as before, or as said before you could press hash from it at least to make it more concentrated, but honestly I think your chances are way too low.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
#26862049 - 08/04/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, I'm so glad that all you guys have chimed in on the subject 
Maybe it's good that this actually happened, so we can have some rock solid proof as to what will happen when male hemp pollinates female drug cannabis.
I'm not going to trash them, until the very end, and that's just if there is no THC.
I have no need for CBD, as I'm as healthy and strong as an OX, and I have not one medical condition. So even if they are high in CBD, if there is no THC in any of them they are being left in the field to rot.
I actually will say this, my original seeds were White Widow crossed with Lemon Kush, and there were some tall lanky Sativa dominant plants in the offspring every year. Maybe after all the years, they finally just went more towards the sativa dominant end of the spectrum
I still bet that it was hemp pollen though, because non looked so much like actual hemp style Sativa's until this year.
I'll take more samples when bud production really kicks in, as I have so many plants out, it wont hurt anything, and I'll report my findings
Thanks so much for the replies guys! This really is a fascinating forced experiment so to speak, and I can't wait to see it's outcome
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26862072 - 08/04/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've pollinated my female's with Male pollen before and the buds turned out fine from what I've tried 
In the wild plants are naturally pollinated by males and by hermits and still produce THC (hermy plants to get much THC at all though really comes down to how far along they were before pollination)
Check one of your current buds for seeds, it's possible they just got pollinated super early and that's why they dont get you high or have any trichs
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26862097 - 08/04/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've pollinated my female's with Male pollen before and the buds turned out fine from what I've tried 
In the wild plants are naturally pollinated by males and by hermits and still produce THC (hermy plants to get much THC at all though really comes down to how far along they were before pollination)
Check one of your current buds for seeds, it's possible they just got pollinated super early and that's why they dont get you high or have any trichs
Yeah I guess you used bought seeds from reputable vendors so you got 'pontent' males as well as females you just let 'em did their job, and voila you got potent F1 seeds sharing some mixed genetics in there...
But his case is different since he is in outdoor and most probably got "foreign" outlander pollen from male hemp plant which means it's genetics were modified or just simply bred to a low-THC producing plant. In this case his F1 variance will have a lot of 'impotent' plant, and chances for a plant which descents it's genes mainly from it's female parent is very low IME. Hope I'm wrong here so OP will have smokeable buds soon
OP, I'm looking forward on how it will turn out
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
#26862124 - 08/04/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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None of my plants have any seeds this year as of yet. I go out quite often to check on them.
Most of my plants still haven't even started flowering quite yet, but as of yet, none of the plants with buds have any seeds.
I do know that last year the hemp lost a lot of farmers around here money, and they couldn't sell their product. So they aren't growing this year around my parts as far as I know.
Oh,and the hemp fields were only six miles away from all of my plots, so chances are that pollen made it to my plants for sure, I'd bet money
I'm about to go out now, so I'll post a few more pics later on today, to snap some more pics of all the different phenotypes.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26862963 - 08/04/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I only made it out to one patch today, fishing was a little bit more important, hehe! but here are some different plants from another spot.




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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu] 1
#26863157 - 08/04/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Allium said: None of my plants have any seeds this year as of yet. I go out quite often to check on them.
Most of my plants still haven't even started flowering quite yet, but as of yet, none of the plants with buds have any seeds.
I do know that last year the hemp lost a lot of farmers around here money, and they couldn't sell their product. So they aren't growing this year around my parts as far as I know.
Oh,and the hemp fields were only six miles away from all of my plots, so chances are that pollen made it to my plants for sure, I'd bet money
I'm about to go out now, so I'll post a few more pics later on today, to snap some more pics of all the different phenotypes. 
Okay now I'm confused, at first you say your not getting high off the buds, now I'm assuming you mean the same crop as is growing now so if they've barely begun to flower then of course they're not going to be very strong or look very crystally and trichomed out since they just started
If that's the case and I'm not just confused on how things were worded then just wait to harvest any until they're done flowering or atleast wait until farther into flower before you worry about low potency buds I mean anytime you start from seed it's a new phenotype which can differ from others
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I've pollinated my female's with Male pollen before and the buds turned out fine from what I've tried 
In the wild plants are naturally pollinated by males and by hermits and still produce THC (hermy plants to get much THC at all though really comes down to how far along they were before pollination)
Check one of your current buds for seeds, it's possible they just got pollinated super early and that's why they dont get you high or have any trichs
Yeah I guess you used bought seeds from reputable vendors so you got 'pontent' males as well as females you just let 'em did their job, and voila you got potent F1 seeds sharing some mixed genetics in there...
But his case is different since he is in outdoor and most probably got "foreign" outlander pollen from male hemp plant which means it's genetics were modified or just simply bred to a low-THC producing plant. In this case his F1 variance will have a lot of 'impotent' plant, and chances for a plant which descents it's genes mainly from it's female parent is very low IME. Hope I'm wrong here so OP will have smokeable buds soon
OP, I'm looking forward on how it will turn out 
Surprisingly it was just some bag seed from some plants that probably hermed out and when I pollinated them I got the usual 50/50 mix of Male and female so I kept a couple males to pollinate a few females
Literally anytime you buy "regular"/non-feminized seeds they came from a female and Male, unless you happen upon a strain/phenotype of a male that has an odd hereditary gene mutation that blocks THC production over CBD then your cross is going to have some THC atleast, I mean unless the female is just a drastically low THC producer to begin with
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26863247 - 08/04/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah. You say most of your plants haven't even started to flower yet.
I'd wait a few weeks, at least.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: El Torcho]
#26863378 - 08/04/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know my plants have only but begun to flower, but I have a low tolerance because I have no access to any weed,and for the past few years, I could go snip small leaf, and even buds as immature as mine are right now,and get a buzz to hold me over until harvest time.
However, this year not even the leaf or immature buds will do anything at all.
I actually have some plants further into flowering than the ones I pictured, and they offer no kind of high whatsoever, nor does the small leaf.
I'll post pics of them next time I make out to that spot.
Speaking of which, none of my plant have ever started to flower before August the first except for the males, of course, and I have some plants that started flowering three weeks ago.
This just all screams hemp pollination to me, but I'll just wait and see what happens when the buds get more mature. It's all that I can do.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26863424 - 08/04/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Allium said: I know my plants have only but begun to flower, but I have a low tolerance because I have no access to any weed,and for the past few years, I could go snip small leaf, and even buds as immature as mine are right now,and get a buzz to hold me over until harvest time.
However, this year not even the leaf or immature buds will do anything at all.
I actually have some plants further into flowering than the ones I pictured, and they offer no kind of high whatsoever, nor does the small leaf.
I'll post pics of them next time I make out to that spot.
Speaking of which, none of my plant have ever started to flower before August the first except for the males, of course, and I have some plants that started flowering three weeks ago.
This just all screams hemp pollination to me, but I'll just wait and see what happens when the buds get more mature. It's all that I can do.
Just because they flower late doesnt mean they're pollinated, when did the lighting first reach 12/12 in your area? Sativa strains are known to take longer to flower
Also your most likely just building a tolerance literally any smoker in the world who's smoked even semi regularly doesnt get stoned off of a tiny leaf or small immature bud because once your tolerance build ups it requires more THC to reach the same point
Your plants are probably fine bro if they're pollinated the calyx on the buds will begin to swell up soon and that will be the main part of the flowers that form which will be any easy way to tell
I'm also really confused because you say you have no access to weed but that for the past few years you've been able to clip small pieces? Idk you probably need to grow more to last you through to each harvest
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26863890 - 08/05/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, let me explain, I meant, that my plants were probably pollinated by hemp last season because of how fast some of them started flowering this season.
For the past several years, all my plants would start to flower no sooner than August the first, but this season I had plants start flowering back in mid July.
I was watching KET last night and there was a show on about hemp in my area. Well, there was a guy out in his field, and his plants had full blown huge buds on them,and they looked nearly ready. The date it showed was only August the 8th too, which leads me to believe, at least the early flowering plants that really look more hempish, most likely are half hemp. This is what I was trying to convey 
I'm not bragging, but I have grown cannabis for over 20 years, so I know quite a bit about the plant.
Now on the thing about me not getting high anymore off my leaf and immature buds, contrary to what people will tell you, cannabis produces THC and both CBD all throughout the plants growth stages. It's even detectable in seedlings as well.
The older the plant, the more cannabinoids they produce. This is also strain dependent too. Some plants will have high THC all the way from maturity until the very end,and some wont get any good THC until well into flowering.
This all being said, I don't just go clip off fan leaves and smoke them. They only contain negligible amounts of cannabinoids. The leaves that you want are the very small tip leaves that would normally make your buds when flowering starts, they have more concentrated THC.
When you have no access to real bud, those small leaves will get you high. I know, because I have been doing it ever since I first discovered this back in 1999. i even had people argue with me that you can not get high off of leaf, when I know that that is totally not true.
Another misconception is that Males contain no cannabinoids, another false statement. And as a matter of fact, males contain more THC during vegetative growth than females do. I got high off of all my males that I culled as well up until this year too.
Sure people that sit around smoking bong loads of high potency THC all day and never take breaks will most likely not get high off of leaf, but I can because again, I have no access to any real buds until my harvest is done. I'd put smoking leaf right up there with some decent brick weed.
Hope this clarifies everything for you mate, it's kind of hard to type out exactly what I mean sometimes, and information gets misconstrued.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26863937 - 08/05/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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As far as what side passes along more of what it depends on multiple attributes, combining ability, environmental influence,chromosomal abnormalities, probably a few more if we think about it. It does not matter the sex as much. You'll get 50% that are somewhere in between, then 25% heavy one way and 25%heavy the other. Juat watch for intersexing, Cheers
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Snaggletoots]
#26864042 - 08/05/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Years ago I let a Baox (CBD hemp) male pollinate a sour dubble clone. I got paranoid that year due to a chopper circling my property, so I ended up chopping down all but one of them. It was a sour leaner, great smoke, early flowering. I then crossed that with a (cindy 99 x apollo 13) male hoping for more early flowering seeds. So far the only plant flowering this year is the sour dubble x baox, so I think I'll run a bunch of those next year. Wishing I had kept the sour dubble cut.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: yoosername]
#26864437 - 08/05/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This gives me much hope then, and thanks for the replies guys
I'm glad I made this thread here, and I knew if anyone could help me out it would be you guys 
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26865273 - 08/05/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is alot to respond to so in gonna put stuff in numbered brackets and respond to each bracket if that's alright
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1. [ No, let me explain, I meant, that my plants were probably pollinated by hemp last season because of how fast some of them started flowering this season.
For the past several years, all my plants would start to flower no sooner than August the first, but this season I had plants start flowering back in mid July.
I was watching KET last night and there was a show on about hemp in my area. Well, there was a guy out in his field, and his plants had full blown huge buds on them,and they looked nearly ready. The date it showed was only August the 8th too, which leads me to believe, at least the early flowering plants that really look more hempish, most likely are half hemp. This is what I was trying to convey ]
1. - A plant cant be pollinated until flowers begin to form and once they are pollinated it doesnt really make the buds grow faster, an outdoor plant wont begin to flower until it gets 12 consecutive hours of darkness so that farmer was either force flowering early by covering them off from light OR the natural light cycle reached 12/12 in that area
2. [ I'm not bragging, but I have grown cannabis for over 20 years, so I know quite a bit about the plant.]
2. That's good but we can all still learn new things and we all still need help from time to time, I've been growing for 7 years and grow professionally and study cannabis and other drugs as a hobby yet I still learn new things all the time number of years has ALMOST no correlation to quality of weed grown or expertise level, I mean anybody can just stick some plants in the ground and water them and say they're growing...
3. [ Now on the thing about me not getting high anymore off my leaf and immature buds, contrary to what people will tell you, cannabis produces THC and both CBD all throughout the plants growth stages. It's even detectable in seedlings as well.
The older the plant, the more cannabinoids they produce. This is also strain dependent too. Some plants will have high THC all the way from maturity until the very end,and some wont get any good THC until well into flowering. ]
3. I wasnt debating when plants begin to form THC I was more saying they dont form reasonable amounts (for lack of a better term) until flowering if plants had high enough THC in the the early stages to be worth anything then alot of people would harvest way way early and just make oil or something with unflowered plants but that's just not the case because the vast amount of THC is concentrated in the flowers and builds up in concentration as the flowers mature
4. [ This all being said, I don't just go clip off fan leaves and smoke them. They only contain negligible amounts of cannabinoids. The leaves that you want are the very small tip leaves that would normally make your buds when flowering starts, they have more concentrated THC.
When you have no access to real bud, those small leaves will get you high. I know, because I have been doing it ever since I first discovered this back in 1999. i even had people argue with me that you can not get high off of leaf, when I know that that is totally not true. ]
4. My bad I should have phrased what I said differently, I more meant that it's really just not worth it to clip a whole bunch of tiny leaves, it would make more sense to grow more weed to last you through each harvest therefore you never even have to clip leaves to begin with since once you build up a tolerance you need alot of leaves to smoke, sorry didn't mean to come across like you were smoking fan/sugar leaves
5. [ Another misconception is that Males contain no cannabinoids, another false statement. And as a matter of fact, males contain more THC during vegetative growth than females do. I got high off of all my males that I culled as well up until this year too. ]
5. This one I have to completely disagree with, yes male plants do contain cannabinoids but its predominantly CBD, males max out around like 3% THC tops, I would like to see some support for your claim or some sort of analysis or document saying hemp contains significant amounts of THC, it doesnt.
5. If your getting high off males then they were most likely misidentified
Sure people that sit around smoking bong loads of high potency THC all day and never take breaks will most likely not get high off of leaf, but I can because again, I have no access to any real buds until my harvest is done. I'd put smoking leaf right up there with some decent brick weed.
Hope this clarifies everything for you mate, it's kind of hard to type out exactly what I mean sometimes, and information gets misconstrued.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26865423 - 08/05/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. I know plants need a 12/12 cycle to flower, and when did I ever say that plants can be pollinated without flowers forming? That farmer had a huge field consisting of several acres so there is no way he was covering all of those plants. Maybe they have auto-flowering hemp by now, ya think?
2. I actually wished that I wouldn't have stated that, and yes I know number of years has nothing to do with how well someone can grow cannabis. If I could grow legally, I could really show you what I can do, but I'm forced to have to grow out in the bush with all the critters,and bad weather, so I think that even so, I do a decent job 
3. I will disagree with you on this, because I have gotten plenty high off of leaf up until this season. Some plants produce nice amounts of THC their whole life,and can be smoked for a really nice buzz right up until harvest time.
4. I constantly top my plants, to produce super bushy plants, well, I did up until this year, and instead of throwing those tips away, they can be smoked,and contain nice amounts of THC,and again this is strain dependent. If this is all you have access too, it doesn't take a lot of tops to get you stoned, but if I were to smoke some dank a few days in succession, the leaf would no longer do it's trick, or at least not as well.
5. I also know male cannabis, from female cannabis, from hermaphrodites, the over 20 years actually did me well on this one So, no I did not smoke a misidentified plant, they were the males that I culled. Also, when the heck did I ever say that hemp contained significant amounts of THC??? Hemp is both male, female,and hermaphrodite plants too, not just males, so I'm lost on that statement. Just because you probably have access to potent weed 24/7 and have not had to resort to smoking males, female leaf, etc, doesn't mean that it wont get other people high brother. Do the research and you'll see that Males contain significant amount of THC, and are good for smoking, extractions edibles, you name it. Males have always had a bad stigma attached to them because they don't make THC laden buds,and they ruin a sinsemilla crop.
I did a quick search to back up my claims, not that I really needed to, and I've found many instances that discuss this very subject. All I can tell you is that never knock something until you have tried it first hand,and never just assume 
I hope that I'm not coming off as a dick, but I get frustrated with people when I know I'm right and that they are misinformed.
Check this!
" Male plants carry more cannabinoids than female plants. Excitingly, males manifest larger amounts of tetrahydrocannabinol in the petals than females throughout the vegetative stage of development, and it is merely females who produce a larger proportion of tetrahydrocannabinol throughout the adult phase"
I know this is 100 percent true, because I've smoked a lot of males,and made hash with them. I have no reason to lie, nor does the website where I obtained this information, also, and you'll like this 
"Actually, the male plants are the victim of bad press. Males often equal or exceed females in cannabinoid content, especially in the high THC strains. In fact, usually the females are only more potent during the terminal stages of development when the males are dying and the females are in full flower or are setting seed If the males could be prevented from flowering by pruning, flower removal or chemicals, they might continue to develop potency on a par with females In the University of Mississippi experiments, the male and female Mexican plants had identical cannabinoid contents when first measured at 13 weeks, and were still about equal even at 17 weeks Note that many of the males die by 17 weeks and that the later measurements refer to the more slowly developing males. The table also shows that high CBD, low THC strains behave similarly to the high THC strains. The cannabinoid content of males and females in high THC strains tends to be about the same, with the males sometimes exceeding the females. But, in the intermediate and low THC strains, the males tend to have a noticeably lower content. In a high THC strain from Afghanistan, the female has the expected small amount of CBD, but the male has a whopping 4.6%; whereas in another Afghani strain the males and females have about equal amounts of CBD, but the male has nearly five times as much THC. In one Turkish strain the males have about four times as much of both CBD and THC. There are strains from India, Peru, Thailand and Czechoslovakia in which the male is high in CBD and the female high in THC. One strain from Iran has both sexes low in THC but the male high in CBD, while one Manchurian and one Thai strain have both sexes high in THC, but only the female high in CBD. Finally, in one Russian strain the male is high in THC and the female high in CBD. Some of the seeds may have been hybrids, or mixtures of different batches of seeds. Nevertheless, these data alert us to the possibility that there arc strains with drastic differences between males and females"
I can keep going, but why would I I think that I've proven my point.
Also, don't take offense to anything that I've written, we are all here to learn, even if we disagree on a few things
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26865427 - 08/05/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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But really, this isn't about wether or not males will get you high, it's about if my plants are crossed with hemp or not Boy how this ship got way off course
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26865650 - 08/05/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Usually people prepare for more traits from the female, but its not set in stone. Some plants have really dominant genes and characteristics, some desirable genes/traits are recessive too though, and take work to select and stabilize.
Allium, I instinctively didn't want to believe you about males. I thought about how juicing male plants does have some effect beyond just chlorophyll or whatever elements present, so it makes sense. I checked it out and saw people getting a little hash out of males too. Seems like it could be a lot of work and solvent if you aren't reclaiming... but you can do that. Cool.
I can also relate to feeling something off immature buds and leaves. I tried that when I was younger during dry season, when you are lucky to find mexi brickweed thats green and not more than half seeds. We were smoking a little bit of leaves and small flowers to get high...sometimes a little wet even. We felt something. It wasn't much...but something. Got us by some I suppose. Nothing like well grown finished and cured flowers, but...
I hope your flowers turn out nicely when they're done this year!
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
#26865732 - 08/06/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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perhaps because u mostly keep females and only can see traits from female however genetic from both parents are equally distributed. some traits can be dominate some resessive so yes some males pass on certain traits or lack of traits. ie snow lotus adding vigor frost and tended to add less in terps allowing mom to shine through. This is not an easy thing to find.
punnet square.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
#26865893 - 08/06/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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hummingbird said: Usually people prepare for more traits from the female, but its not set in stone. Some plants have really dominant genes and characteristics, some desirable genes/traits are recessive too though, and take work to select and stabilize.
Allium, I instinctively didn't want to believe you about males. I thought about how juicing male plants does have some effect beyond just chlorophyll or whatever elements present, so it makes sense. I checked it out and saw people getting a little hash out of males too. Seems like it could be a lot of work and solvent if you aren't reclaiming... but you can do that. Cool.
I can also relate to feeling something off immature buds and leaves. I tried that when I was younger during dry season, when you are lucky to find mexi brickweed thats green and not more than half seeds. We were smoking a little bit of leaves and small flowers to get high...sometimes a little wet even. We felt something. It wasn't much...but something. Got us by some I suppose. Nothing like well grown finished and cured flowers, but...
I hope your flowers turn out nicely when they're done this year!
I'm glad that someone else knows what I'm talking about, and all it would have taken was a little research to know that I'm not just talking crap 
I have been getting high off male leaf buds, female leaf immature buds, etc, since the late 90's, and it works in a pinch when you have no access to real buds, that's all I was trying to convey, and now he point is proven 
Thanks for the input hummingbird, and the kind words You are most helpful too the man
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26867173 - 08/06/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a good point I didn't consider auto flowering plants, but if they are auto flower then that would explain why they flowered early and not because they were pollinated
When it comes to hemp I think we are on two different pages, originally hemp was the male cannabis plants and the females were the plants we cultivated for smoking whereas now any plant under 3% thc content is considered hemp which is why they can sell CBD buds in all states since the THC is low enough
I brought up significant amounts of THC in hemp because YES they do contain cannabinoids they have to contain a significant amount to get us high, I mean anybody would have to smoke an ungodly amount of 0.05 percent thc weed but technically it would still contain THC and cannabinoids just not in significant enough amounts if that makes sense
Some of the other ones we should just agree to disagree on or pm if you wanted or open a new thread, I didn't mean to take over your thread with arguing my apologies, but I am open to discussion for sure!
Back to the original topic -
Going with hemp being any plant with below 3% thc content then yes your plants could be crossed with a CBD high strain potentially BUT if you grow out enough seeds you could find a phenotype that produces higher THC still
My advice is still the same though of just flower them and wait and see, could be a varietied pheno
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD] 1
#26867248 - 08/06/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually 3% THC will get you high, it's .3 percent THC that they have to be under to be considered hemp 
Also, hemp normally consists of male females and hermaphrodites, all grown together in the same field, that I do know 100% And it was the same back in the old days too. Unless the farmer uses all female clones like some do around here, nobody takes the time to cull out any certain gender of plant, it would be to costly and time consuming.
Hemp and Drug cannabis are not cousins, they are the same exact plant contrary to what hemp farmers or other people will tell you. They just lie and tell people this because they don't want their crop associated with the drug cannabis bad stigma 
Both hemp, and drug cannabis are Cannabis sativa, one was just breed for high THC and the other for fiber textiles, etc with low THC, that is the only difference in the two, period. Sure they say oh hemp looks different because it grows tall with very little to no branching, but regular drug cannabis will do this too, if it's all crowded together like they way they grow hemp Plus hemp has been breed to grow tall and lanky too over the centuries. Also, you can use Dug Cannabis sativa for the same exact fiber, seed, fuel too, just like hemp but people fail to mention that as well.
It's just like how you have high Morphine poppies, poppies with low morphine,and poppies with very little morphine. They are all still Papaver somniferum, just with different alkaloid contents, and that's the only difference.
Also, here is a local hemp farmer from my area, the pic was on our local news website a couple years back. Also notice all that the plants are all females plants. Where did u get that hemp plants were only males?

Anyway, no need to start another thread, we can still discuss all this here I look forward in seeing what you have to say, and who cares if it goes of course, I'm liking all this
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26867530 - 08/07/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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My bad .3 percent* those dang decimals
See you contradict yourself by saying
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Allium said:
Also, hemp normally consists of male females and hermaphrodites, all grown together in the same field, that I do know 100% And it was the same back in the old days too. Unless the farmer uses all female clones like some do around here, nobody takes the time to cull out any certain gender of plant, it would be to costly and time consuming.
And then you say
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Both hemp, and drug cannabis are Cannabis sativa, one was just breed for high THC and the other for fiber textiles, etc with low THC, that is the only difference in the two, period.
Those 2 statements contradict each other because if they are 1 species like I agree that they are then one has to be male and one has to be female and both can go hermaphroditic
1 species cant have 2 females and 1 male that's not how biology works, on a science level each species has a male sex and a female sex
you cant argue both sides
You say "nobody takes the time to cull out any certain gender of a plant, it would be to costly and time consuming"
Yet
And actually theres an old quote from George washington about separating male and female cannabis plants, people have been separating them for ages I mean you literally have to separate them if you dont want seeds in your weed
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#26867550 - 08/07/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I honestly fail to see the contradiction, maybe I'm missing something. Cannabis is hemp. The term hemp is used more often if it's a fiber crop. Hemp farmers growing for fiber don't need to separate sexes, because it's only the outer stem fibers used. Hemp seed oil farmers don't separate obviously because they are going for seeds. Cannabis grown for CBD or CBG is called hemp because they don't want the connotation with "marijuana" like Allium said. Growers going for those want females because their flowers give better quality material to extract from. A lot of those growers also start from clone for consistency.
I know what you mean though too. I've also heard the George Washington quote about him being upset he was away in battle somewhere, and missed his beautiful flowering hemp plants...or something like that. There are a lot of names and uses for this plant.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
#26867680 - 08/07/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, actually now you're starting to frustrate me and I may just have to be done! Do you not see both male and female hemp in this field??? I don't know what you're talking about anymore.
I also take as you're the type of person that doesn't want to be wrong, and that you like to argue when you are.
Maybe you should just start your own thread and brush up on your cannabis botany,and leave my thread back to why I original posted it 
I'm a nice guy, but I can only take so much 
A also already know that washington separated the males from the females, and I have know this for a decade or so. He may have done this, but no all farmers practice this. I also don't know what this has to do with anything either.
I also just keep re-reading your statements and I am no way contradicting myself and nothing that you stated makes any sense at all Does anybody else make any sense as to what he just wrote???
This really makes no sense right here "1 species cant have 2 females and 1 male that's not how biology works, on a science level each species has a male sex and a female sex" and I never said anything this, because it makes no darn sense. I know a species has one male and one female, and I never said that it didn't.
Anyway Hemp is Cannabis sativa, and consists of males, females, and hermaphrodites, and drug Cannabis can be sativa,and consists of same male's females and hermaphrodites as well, so there is really nothing more to say on the subject.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: hummingbird]
#26867684 - 08/07/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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hummingbird said: I honestly fail to see the contradiction, maybe I'm missing something. Cannabis is hemp. The term hemp is used more often if it's a fiber crop. Hemp farmers growing for fiber don't need to separate sexes, because it's only the outer stem fibers used. Hemp seed oil farmers don't separate obviously because they are going for seeds. Cannabis grown for CBD or CBG is called hemp because they don't want the connotation with "marijuana" like Allium said. Growers going for those want females because their flowers give better quality material to extract from. A lot of those growers also start from clone for consistency.
I know what you mean though too. I've also heard the George Washington quote about him being upset he was away in battle somewhere, and missed his beautiful flowering hemp plants...or something like that. There are a lot of names and uses for this plant.
Oh yeah, thanks for the input man, maybe we can teach this guy what he doesn't know
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26867699 - 08/07/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plants can have more then one set, but it turns to groups. Then in nature it will turn back through diploidization. Thats more evolutionary though and back on chromosomal abnormalities. By that I mean in nature it happens through wind blown double fertilization. I know some breeders are starting to germinate single grains of pollen and through some work get haploids without chemical alteration, but this is all kind of advanced stuff. Not trying to hijack, just some parting thoughts, cheers
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26867714 - 08/07/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Woooaaaahhh man calm down, that wasnt meant to be hostile or anything you literally said you dont mind talking about in this thread so that's why I continued, if you would rather not discuss it in this thread that's fine
Let me clarify what I meant, you said hemp and the drug cannabis are both cannabis sativa and this is a statement that I AGREE with!
I'm saying that in science when your plotting out family trees each species has 1 male and 1 female, cannabis sativa is the species hemp is the male the drug cannabis is the female, your saying that hemp is both male and female would thereby contradict it because that would mean the species has more than 1 type of male, if that makes sense worded that way?
In science the plant that sends pollen out to pollinate is the male while the plant that accepts the pollen and produces seeds is female, female cannabis plants cannot naturally send out pollen unless they hermaphrodite and male cannabis plants cannot except pollen so within that species you have 1 male and 1 female
Those pictures of "hemp" farms with buds growing is what I was referring to when I said any cannabis under .3% THC is considered hemp legally, those are just female cannabis plants genetically altered through selective breeding to produce extremely low amounts of THC and extremely high amounts of CBD thus legally making them "hemp"
If I'm upsetting you like just say so man I'm assuming this is just a friendly conversation no hard feelings or anything meant by it
The Plant genus Cannabis contains 3 subspecies C. Sativa, C. Indica, and C. Ruderalis the males are hemp while the females are not
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26867905 - 08/07/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Other than males producing pollen and females producing flowers that catch the pollen, I'm disputing what you are saying about male and female plants. You're dispensing misinformation.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26867927 - 08/07/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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DnDRnD said: I'm saying that in science when your plotting out family trees each species has 1 male and 1 female, cannabis sativa is the species hemp is the male the drug cannabis is the female, your saying that hemp is both male and female would thereby contradict it because that would mean the species has more than 1 type of male, if that makes sense worded that way?
Your premise that "hemp is the male" is the problem here I think. "Hemp" is just a catch-all category for non-drug varieties. It doesn't refer to the plant sex.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Brian Jones]
#26867935 - 08/07/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, there's some silver lining, but it has to do with polar nuclei fusing with antipodal cells instead of being consumed. Not tri but poly formation.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Snaggletoots]
#26867947 - 08/07/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Snaggletoots said: Plants can have more then one set, but it turns to groups. Then in nature it will turn back through diploidization. Thats more evolutionary though and back on chromosomal abnormalities. By that I mean in nature it happens through wind blown double fertilization. I know some breeders are starting to germinate single grains of pollen and through some work get haploids without chemical alteration, but this is all kind of advanced stuff. Not trying to hijack, just some parting thoughts, cheers
Yeah TC of pollen to create haploid plants is cool. There is a corresponding technique for females called anther culture. I believe you can then use colchicine to double the chromosomes again and obtain truer breeding varieties. Nasty chemical though.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: psi]
#26867961 - 08/07/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, you're correct. I was super interested in the wind blown double fertilization pairing to gain the same results. It's before its' time as of yet,laughing, but happening all the time.
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26868060 - 08/07/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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DnDRnD said: I'm saying that in science when your plotting out family trees each species has 1 male and 1 female, cannabis sativa is the species hemp is the male the drug cannabis is the female, your saying that hemp is both male and female would thereby contradict it because that would mean the species has more than 1 type of male, if that makes sense worded that way?
In science the plant that sends pollen out to pollinate is the male while the plant that accepts the pollen and produces seeds is female, female cannabis plants cannot naturally send out pollen unless they hermaphrodite and male cannabis plants cannot except pollen so within that species you have 1 male and 1 female
Those pictures of "hemp" farms with buds growing is what I was referring to when I said any cannabis under .3% THC is considered hemp legally, those are just female cannabis plants genetically altered through selective breeding to produce extremely low amounts of THC and extremely high amounts of CBD thus legally making them "hemp"
If I'm upsetting you like just say so man I'm assuming this is just a friendly conversation no hard feelings or anything meant by it
The Plant genus Cannabis contains 3 subspecies C. Sativa, C. Indica, and C. Ruderalis the males are hemp while the females are not
How would hemp make seeds and continue the species if it was one sex? Do you really think hemp farmers sex their plants?
What you're saying makes no sense...
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: El Torcho]
#26868115 - 08/07/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's starting from the premise that "hemp" is synonymous with male Cannabis sativa and the resulting conclusions are flawed as a result.
From what I understand, "hemp" in its modern usage can refer to at least three different things:
- varieties grown for fiber - varieties grown for seed (which in some cases are ruderalis) - varieties grown for CBD
Males of fiber varieties can definitely be used for fiber production, and males of all drug and non-drug varieties are useless or near useless for THC production, but the term "hemp" does not mean "male Cannabis sativa".
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#26870796 - 08/08/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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wld nld. narrow leaf non drug var.. under a % or 2 in there classifaction i think but hemp in 1st world is under teh .3% for laws not decription of species.
hemp grown in the states is often planted as just females now for cbd flowers and cbd biomass. however this is a new thing as normally planted as reg seeds not clones or fem seeds. maybe thats what someone was talking about?? anyhoo cough cbd acid reflux.....
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: the man]
#26871045 - 08/09/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, as far as I know, the hemp grown here consisted of only females. They had built a huge processing plant to process it all for CBD oil, but the place went bankrupt before they finished it,and it's just sitting there abandoned. This is why the farmers in my area didn't grow this year, because they lost so much last season.
I still believe that my plants are hemp now, because I sampled some big old fat, stinky smelly buds with pink hairs the other day and I got nothing from it. I even made some hash too, and it provided no effects.
I know the plant still had a month or so to go, but I don't care, I have always been able to get ripped off of immature buds of my plants until harvest time, and so far none of my plants will even give you a head change.
I really do believe that some male hemp plants were grown here maybe for seed,and that last season my plants got pollinated.
I also believe that the male Hemp gene for low to no THC most likely is dominant, at least in my case, and that all my plants are trash.
Edited by Allium (08/09/20 08:40 AM)
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26872318 - 08/09/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Never mind, I finally got what I was looking for earlier today! It appears that at least some of my plants have the goods!
I can't wait to see how they turn out in the end
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Allium]
#26872657 - 08/10/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Allium said: Never mind, I finally got what I was looking for earlier today! It appears that at least some of my plants have the goods!
I can't wait to see how they turn out in the end 
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Allium said: Never mind, I finally got what I was looking for earlier today! It appears that at least some of my plants have the goods!
I can't wait to see how they turn out in the end 
Nice, that is good news! So you probably got some mixed genetics now, can't wait pictures to compare them! Keep up the good work bro
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Re: Hemp crossbreeding with drug cannabis. [Re: Revemu]
#26872817 - 08/10/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks brother and yes, I'll start posting some pics next time I go out 
Well, I ended up with some super tall sativa dominant hemp crosses in the end, of intermediate potency.
Most all the plants offered some kind of high, but there were a few that wouldn't even offer so much as a head change, so not all hemp and drug cannabis crosses will produce plants that will still get you stoned.
In the end it rendered all my plants ditch weed, up to regular weed, but nothing was super potent, no matter how well it looked in the end.
So, on that note, I'm done growing outdoor plants here, because of hemp 
Edited by Allium (11/18/20 06:09 AM)
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