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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
    #26859337 - 08/02/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I also find it troubling to protect what is "mine" considering no one truly "owns" anything and I don't find it worth killing or harming another human being over it (whatever it is).





There is a difference between killing to save property and killing to prevent loss of life.

Stuff is stuff as far as I'm concerned, but lives are genuinely irreplacable.


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Asante]
    #26859368 - 08/02/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Some perspectives might disagree (not necessarily suggesting I am one of those).

It reminds me of that saying about when friends and lovers leave you that there will be others, often people say that as a means of comfort (though at the time I'm not sure how much solace that offers). Doesn't that mean that lives are essentially replaceable in the case of death since people suggest that you can make new friends, relationships, etc.

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Asante]
    #26859405 - 08/02/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Material that has STRONG emotional attatchment > random humans life


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26859442 - 08/02/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That actually does sound more believable. Like a keepsake from your dead parents or grandparents, or husband/wife.

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
    #26859451 - 08/02/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The guitar that my (deceased)father gave me as a child would qualify, for me anyway.

Edit: again in a WORST case scenario. This is all just thought experiments which in my opinion are very healthy. In actuality I dont want to harm anyone if I really dont have to.


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes] * 1
    #26859464 - 08/02/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

While I don't have any moral views on this issue, I think it's better to let the wind, or hurricane take one. There's more life afterwards and the guilt is strong in people who kill, repressed guilt or not. But...
I would naturally fight for my life if someone tried to do me in.

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Ancient Mariner]
    #26859476 - 08/02/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's what I'm saying. There has to be a way to either prepare yourself or have a method down to where it wouldn't impact your daily life at least.


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26859493 - 08/02/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Material that has STRONG emotional attatchment > random humans life






I realize how special sentimental possessions are,  but i hope you're joking around.  Would you honestly choose to save the guitar over another life?

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: 1234go]
    #26859518 - 08/02/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What exactly makes that other life more valuable than something that you value greatly.

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
    #26859574 - 08/02/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It kinda goes without saying... not gonna debate this with you.

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: spirit_shadow] * 2
    #26859605 - 08/02/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Material that has STRONG emotional attatchment > random humans life





I possess no object I consider worth killing over.

I inherited mementos from my mother, she'd spin in her metaphorical grave if I killed over them.

Smash it all to pieces, its just stuff.

Lives are more valuable to me than stuff.

That said I value some lives less than others.


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: 1234go]
    #26859702 - 08/02/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think it is worth debating in a sense. The adage that life is worth more than things is something that is just assumed and taken as a given but not explained why. I always wondered why we just assume that to be the case.

One can say it's just stuff, but that is a personal stance. To someone else it might be more than just that. Who is one to say which is worth more in the ultimate sense? I have plenty of things that I value far more than some random individual.

I don't think lives are always worth more than personal possessions, but it depends on the possession in question though. A napkin can't really be compared to the last remaining memory of a lost home (for those who fled war torn or oppressive countries). My stuffed lion I had as a child and still do is worth more to me than most people on this forum and most people I met in life. It might be slightly egotistical to place such importance on lives (in a sense).

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: 1234go]
    #26859720 - 08/02/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Material that has STRONG emotional attatchment > random humans life






I realize how special sentimental possessions are,  but i hope you're joking around.  Would you honestly choose to save the guitar over another life?



What is the scenario?


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26859724 - 08/02/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Also, I've already established I'd turn you into a stack of hundreds if I could so how are you suprised? :awehigh:


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26860614 - 08/03/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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What is the scenario?







The scenario you mentioned.  Your guitar...or a random persons life. 

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Material that has STRONG emotional attatchment > random humans life




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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: 1234go]
    #26860646 - 08/03/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with spirit, something with strong emotional meaning to me is worth more than some random person I don't know. It would be arrogant to think my life is worth more than something truly precious to someone else.

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes] * 2
    #26860652 - 08/03/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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something with strong emotional meaning to me is worth more than some random person I don't know.




That's not healthy. You're supposed to have strong positive bias towards members of your species.


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes] * 1
    #26860812 - 08/03/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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What exactly makes that other life more valuable than something that you value greatly.



Is this guy a troll now? This seems completely opposite to the nonviolence ideology a couple pages back

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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26860822 - 08/03/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanatos, ummm, I mean endtimes does that.:smirk:


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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26860961 - 08/03/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

His time here was at an end...


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