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Mushroom ID help
    #26859245 - 08/02/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Excited to post my first post. I'm guinely happy about joining the community and the complex world of mycology. Please forgive my lack of sophisticated descriptors as I am learning. Truly, this is not a hobby for the lazy. I have been researching for the last week or so to figure out what this mushroom is.

Found in an open field in Central Oklahoma. Was growing out of cow manure alongside two others similar mushrooms following a moderate-heavy rain three days prior. Spore print was black. Gills are black with brownish hue. Dried brown, with top of the mushroom cap a darker brown.

Supposedly in Oklahoma only three species of psychoactive mushrooms grow - cubes, Gymnopilus sp., and Panaeolus cinctulus. However, many more grow just 2 hours South in Texas. In my experience, many things that grow in Texas grow in Central Oklahoma. Therefore, I am wondering if this could be something unexpected, or if it's obvious to you all and not to me (probably likely).

To my untrained eye it looks like a Panaeolus species of some kind. Here is where it get more interesting. Both a fresh sample and a dried sample 24 hours later tested purple on the Ehrlich reagent. Therefore, I am much more confident as to its psychoactive properties. I have tested many cubes with the Ehrlich, each time the test expectedly and appropriately revealing revealing a pink/purple. Therefore, I know this mushroom contains indole alkaloids.

Picture 1 is mushroom 15 seconds after picking. Cap appears to be grayish with blue tinge.
Picture 2 is the gills after drying.
Picture 3 is the top after drying.

*Identification is not for the purpose of consumption* I am just genuinely curious what I have.
Thanks for the help, and thank you for welcoming me.







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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: cosmic_counselor]
    #26859251 - 08/02/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It looks like Panaeolus antillarum


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: Moria841]
    #26859294 - 08/02/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I thought too until it tested positive on the Ehrlich.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: cosmic_counselor]
    #26859323 - 08/02/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Many panaeolus species contain indoles like serotonin, 5-htp, etc.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: Moria841]
    #26859350 - 08/02/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I see, including antillarum?


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: cosmic_counselor]
    #26859431 - 08/02/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Including antillarum, yes. The presence of serotonin does not mean you can ingest it and get a serotonin boost though.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26859514 - 08/02/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wouldn't pretty much all organisms test positive with Ehrlich due to tryptophan?


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: breeg89]
    #26859525 - 08/02/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's a good question, not sure. I've collected several mushrooms that I have tested, most of which do not react positive to the Ehrlich test. I believe the Ehrlich primarily tests for tryptamine.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26859528 - 08/02/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I was not aware that the Ehrlich test could detect serotonin.. Do you know?


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: cosmic_counselor]
    #26859547 - 08/02/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As The Others Have Stated, Those Are Panaeolus Antillarum.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: cosmic_counselor]
    #26859562 - 08/02/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

From what I understand, Ehrlich reagents test for indole groups but not actually a specific indole. So tryptamine/tryptophan would show up, as would psilocybin and lsd. That said though auxin should show as well and thats just an indole found in nearly all plants. Indole reaction with Ehrlich reagents confirms the presence of an indole but does not always confirm the presence of an active indole.
I could be completely wrong and full of shit, so please if I'm wrong correct me.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26859590 - 08/02/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No I think you’re pretty much right on the money. I haven’t heard of auxin So I’ll have to do my research on that front to see if it will show up on Ehrlich. Since other mushrooms have not reacted purple to the Ehrlich for me,I am assuming the reaction  on this mushroom equates to a psychoactive indole.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: cosmic_counselor]
    #26859594 - 08/02/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Panaeolus Antillarum Is Non Active.


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: MpSeph]
    #26859599 - 08/02/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yep


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: cosmic_counselor]
    #26859657 - 08/02/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Auxin is 3-indole acetic acid, a fundamental hormone in plants. For indoles with substituents at carbon-3 (like auxin, serotonin, LSD, psilocin, etc.) Ehrlich is presumed to react at carbon-2 to produce dimeric indole products that are brightly colored (seems like it could also react with the indole nitrogen to produce colored products).


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: breeg89]
    #26859767 - 08/02/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Chemical analysis of Panaeolus antillarum shows it in most cases tests positive for 3 indoles; tryptamine, serotonin, and 5-htp. Its entirely possible you got a reaction because of a high concentration of one of those. My advice would be to test another specimine to eliminate an error or confirm a result. They absolutely are not active though. Not only do the macroscopic features not match for cyanescens but there's a complete lack of blue bruising which would be a better indicator for an active panaeolus than Ehrlich reagent. They are edible though and some say they aren't bad cooked....i found them bitter and not really of any food value :shrug:


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Re: Mushroom ID help [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26860435 - 08/03/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for that helpful info and for confirming my original suspicion. I have tested many antillarum from the same field that were negative on Ehrlich so perhaps you are correct in that this one (and a few others) contain higher amounts of inactive tryptamines. Also great info on chemistry Breeg.


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