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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26858554 - 08/02/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: Is it really that I cannot use n Word even when speaking about racist actions?
Or propaganda?
Racist actions? What does that have to do with being racist yourself? Are you saying you're not racist if you're being racist to a racist? That's exactly what you're implying anyway. All that does is prove you don't understand the gravity of the situation.
Even in the black community a lot of people don't use or even dispise the word. Then among those that allow its usage understand the difference between the culture and the history. It doesn't matter if you're black, I guarantee you plenty black dude have been shot for adding an -ER to the end of that to talk some shit. It's a given slave title. Their descendants found a way to change it slightly in to a term of indearment for those who'd understand. It's like a meme stating their independence. And you're not black so you wouldn't really understand. The only way you understand is because others felt a way about their grandma having a fucked up childhood. That's not the same at all. Me calling you whitey is funny, someone else of another colour means a different thing. I'm not going to call a native "red skin" but I bet some of them do to eachother just to piss around. It's the way things are, just like how families have in-jokes and personal history. Not being racist is about embracing your differences.
If you are talking about history of slavery Finnish people have longer experience with that then blacks in America.
And not stating that word should be in use in normal everyday use. But when talking about racism One should be able to use it in conversation?
And the color of skin is not meter of somebody to me. Their behavior is.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26858710 - 08/02/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I took it as you were quoting someone else but I can see why LC would think it's kinda risque. It is a restricted word and the quote thing is about the only loophole.
Indirect quote is kinda... discretionary. For that matter direct quotes are discretionary. If it comes off as you're just quoting someone in order to use the N word then, yeah that's no good. It didn't seem that way to me, I'm not surprised people name their dogs racist terms. Especially older people or those in more isolated areas.
For the record I think LC handled it the best way he could have to both be on the safe side and preserve your point. Being fair to both you and the community.
But I know nothing of slavery in Finland. I would be interested in learning about it if you'd care to enlighten me.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26858720 - 08/02/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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https://www.medievalists.net/2014/04/medieval-slave-traders-go-finland/
After this We were under Swedish flag, After that Russian. Animism/shamanism was the way of live here before christians saved our souls with steel and fire and replaced old celebration fests with christian holidays.
Free of the tyranny on 1917. I try to find good paper about this in english if you want?
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: LeningradCowboy] 5
#26858725 - 08/02/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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First chantarels from this season are on the pan btw
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: twighead]
#26858741 - 08/02/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You'd think in somewhere like Puerto Rico it'd make sense to go full hobbit-style construction, it seems there's little point in building any structures that aren't near impervious to hurricanes, every 20-50 years there's going to be a big one.
I don't think they can because of how high the water table is. Or maybe that's not the right term, the ground gets super saturated super easily.
It's partly why it took so long to get power to the country. They had to rebuild alot of roads that sunk or got swept away.
It's just not a great place to put a permanent structure unless you have a ton of money to make it hurricane proof. Most of the beach resorts were fine because they had that money. The most damage they had was due to flooding sweeping in debris or building too close to the coast to begin with.
Like there was alot of buildings that were literally on top of the shoreline

So I dunno it'd probably help if the country enforced just... basic building standards.
The east coast of the continental US has been under a lengthy project to put all power lines underground and being that it's been going on for as long as I've been alive, longer if you count the new lines... yeah it's a big project and it's not easy. Especially when time is important because it's really hard to live without electricity in most places.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
#26858745 - 08/02/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's just a fixer upper
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: SonicTitan] 3
#26858746 - 08/02/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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under zillow those are listed as "awesome affordable water front properties with potential"
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26858759 - 08/02/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Considering what I know of european history none of that surprises me. There was a whole freaking lot of slavery and forced labor up until the 19th century or so. I know americans get upset if you imply that white people could be slaves but truly your own people would enslave you as often as not. Label you criminal and use that as an excuse to do whatever they wanted with you. Even if the charges were untrue or were nonsense to begin with. The more modern examples we have is the USSR and North Korea. But there was several points in history where basically the entire world was like that.
It wasn't until the 1700s that people started to get the idea that people did have basic rights and should be treated somewhat humanely. That's what made America's founding so special, not only adopted those emerging ideas but also promised to uphold them by writing them into the very core of law.
Which is partly why it's so easy to hate on them/us for having slaves even after most of the world had abolished it.
History is pretty fucked up. But considering how shitty living conditions were for much of it I suppose I can understand why. So it doesn't surprise me that people, especially the colonialists, took advantage of a little nation like Finland.
Finland gained independence in WWI? How did that work? And I'm surprised Russia didn't try to reclaim you in WWII.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: Niffla] 1
#26858765 - 08/02/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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under zillow those are listed as "awesome affordable water front properties with potential"
the sad thing is you're probably right
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26858787 - 08/02/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Considering what I know of european history none of that surprises me. There was a whole freaking lot of slavery and forced labor up until the 19th century or so. I know americans get upset if you imply that white people could be slaves but truly your own people would enslave you as often as not.
And remember that white people have not always been seen as a single monolithic group. Someone also being "white" does not necessarily mean you see them as being of your own people. And some ethnic groups now generally seen as being white weren't always seen that way.
Recently a couple of my sisters were arguing with my dad over the idea that Irish indentured servitude was a form of slavery. Now for sure it was not the same thing as African slavery, but can't more than one thing be bad without it always being a competition? One of my sisters was taking the stance that the idea Irish people were slaves in any sense is just white supremacist propaganda.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26858797 - 08/02/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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While I was searching up those photos I found these


Hurricane Micheal 2018
I remember watching the storm loop back into FL from the gulf but damn I didn't realize he fucked up that much. But it also looks like poor building standards.
And it's not hard to understand why they would be more relaxed on construction on the gulf side. Most hurricanes that curl into the US from the gulf hit LA, MS, TX, or the edge of the panhandle and that little tip of AL. And Micheal made landfall as a category 5, not a 3 as they had estimated.
Like I dunno how many of you pay attention to hurricanes but that was an extremely rare path. I knew that much, I didn't know it was alot stronger than they thought it was.

I dunno if you ask me covid is just one reminder in a string of a great many the last few decades that we should start preparing for nature to do the unexpected. It's pretty asinine to not be prepared for the less likely when the trends seem to be shifting it toward more and more likely.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: psi] 1
#26858827 - 08/02/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Considering what I know of european history none of that surprises me. There was a whole freaking lot of slavery and forced labor up until the 19th century or so. I know americans get upset if you imply that white people could be slaves but truly your own people would enslave you as often as not.
And remember that white people have not always been seen as a single monolithic group. Someone also being "white" does not necessarily mean you see them as being of your own people. And some ethnic groups now generally seen as being white weren't always seen that way.
Recently a couple of my sisters were arguing with my dad over the idea that Irish indentured servitude was a form of slavery. Now for sure it was not the same thing as African slavery, but can't more than one thing be bad without it always being a competition? One of my sisters was taking the stance that the idea Irish people were slaves in any sense is just white supremacist propaganda.
Yep. Up to the 1900s people were so racist that they found reasons to be racist against their own race
But yeah I agree. But also... there's a reason we 'remember' the atrocities of the USSR and the Nazis over alot of others. In part it just boils down to how recent in history it is and how much pushing was required to end it.
Hey yall know about that time that Britain tried to starve the entire fucking country of Ireland? The Irish Potato Famine. They had other food, but Britain only allowed the Irish to largely eat potatoes, potatoes didn't grow that year... and the British government deemed it an act of God while taking their food that they had been forced to grow for them. This is why there was an explosion of Irish immigrants in the US in the 1850s. They weren't "coming for better opportunity" as has been romanticized for us, they were escaping starvation and tyranny.
The UK didn't apologize for this until 150 years after and the apology was "we're sorry for the part we played" and not... sorry for forcing the elderly to commit suicide so that their children and grandchildren might live. Sorry for forcing entirely families to starve to death. Sorry for declaring the Irish people unfit to exist and not only failing to give aid but also actively preventing them from helping themselves.
I dunno. There's alot of shitheads in the world. But alot of knowledge and memory is based on those with the means putting it out there. Living memory of American slavery is recent enough that some people still alive remember people who grew up as slaves.
Most other slavery in the west... not so much.
But a bigger problem is just black and white thinking. Alot of white supremacy groups do try to downplay American slavery by pointing to the Irish. So... yeah people think it's a competition because the loudest idiots bringing up the point are trying to compete.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: CookieCrumbs] 3
#26858860 - 08/02/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Hey yall know about that time that Britain tried to starve the entire fucking country of Ireland? The Irish Potato Famine. They had other food, but Britain only allowed the Irish to largely eat potatoes, potatoes didn't grow that year... and the British government deemed it an act of God while taking their food that they had been forced to grow for them. This is why there was an explosion of Irish immigrants in the US in the 1850s. They weren't "coming for better opportunity" as has been romanticized for us, they were escaping starvation and tyranny.
Yeah those were the circumstances most of my ancestors came here under. Perma-serfdom may not technically be slavery but the people who suffered under it definitely had a shit deal, and those who died as a result are just as dead as those who died under other varieties of oppression. Though my ancestors did get quite a sweet deal once they got here, free land.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
#26858901 - 08/02/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMHO it is slavery. Just like taxing civilians instead of corporations.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26858935 - 08/02/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hurricane Juan was pretty bad when it hit nova Scotia
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: SonicTitan] 1
#26858989 - 08/02/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just ordered Jim Beam steak knifes, a 4 pack for $16 something, my gf had dollar store steak knifes that kept breaking, the last one broke last week, so I looked on Amazon and these Jim Beam ones were on the cheaper side and sounded like an awesome brand, im going to keep 2 and giver her 2
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: psi] 2
#26859014 - 08/02/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think my biggest issue with people's understanding of history is they really really underestimate how horrible it was.
And they tend to think that people only talk about and school only teaches the most significant or the most terrible things.
Americans regularly underestimate how bad WWI was because it's so poorly covered in our schools and didn't have great impact on this country. To the point that we pretty frequently talk shit about France surrendering to Nazi Germany without having the slightest idea how devastated the country was from WWI. Without understanding that they weren't rebuilding the country, their ability to produce anything from food to clothes to machinery, but also their population.
They lost a quarter of their fucking population. Basically more than half their men. And we call them cowards for surrendering to the blitzkrieg. 
Shit like that really irritates me.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: SonicTitan]
#26859033 - 08/02/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: Hurricane Juan was pretty bad when it hit nova Scotia
Ah that was the year that Isabel hit us. That was a weird season too. Both of those would have normally rolled up the coast or turned back out to sea but they wanted us for some reason.
Fortunately for nova scotia is... well that's not exactly a coast with alot of tourism, resorts, and highly sought vacation homes. Nope just local people trying to scrape up a coastal living on the severely depleted Atlantic.
Correct me if I'm wrong but things weren't looking good for them anyway. ?
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: gopher] 1
#26859100 - 08/02/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So close Gopher 
I finally built my three-tier for my San Pedro so it get some delicious sunlight and got my Brita Pitcher-filter going. Feelz good 
Gopher, ever bought Wally World Knifes? They are pretty decent 
Might go to the river to test my jet ski.
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Re: Esoteric Musings of Carcosa | EMC/MDC/LNC | Part 2 Electric Boogaloo [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26859183 - 08/02/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I think my biggest issue with people's understanding of history is they really really underestimate how horrible it was.
And they tend to think that people only talk about and school only teaches the most significant or the most terrible things.
Americans regularly underestimate how bad WWI was because it's so poorly covered in our schools and didn't have great impact on this country. To the point that we pretty frequently talk shit about France surrendering to Nazi Germany without having the slightest idea how devastated the country was from WWI. Without understanding that they weren't rebuilding the country, their ability to produce anything from food to clothes to machinery, but also their population.
They lost a quarter of their fucking population. Basically more than half their men. And we call them cowards for surrendering to the blitzkrieg. 
Shit like that really irritates me.
If we want to understand human psyche, Traumas specially. We must understand history! IMHO most people are not even aware of their own subconsious mind. Most people living in modern world are traumatized to some degree. War traumas pass at least 2-3 generations.
THERE IS LOT OF FUCKED UP THINGS THAT NEED TO BE UNFUCKED IN MOST PEOPLES HEADS IF WE WANT TO EVOLVE AS RACE.
Understanding where these things origin is one of the first steps in doing so imho.
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