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Re: About the Pandemic in America [Re: lowbrow]
    #26857972 - 08/01/20 11:41 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)


lowbrow said:
Let me restate my position in better terms.  Socialism is a nice way of saying ‘communism’ without actually using the word ‘communism’.

You're going to have to explain a bit more than that. To my understanding, socialism is about socialized production of goods while communism is about socialized production of both production and consumption of goods. What does that mean to you? I ask because I think we're probably using different definitions here, because I would hardly say that socialism is just "a nice way of saying 'communism'". How could it be that we come to such different conclusions unless we were speaking from different definitions?


Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities. Many of these people have no idea why they’re doing this, but some know what they are doing. They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive, but no, the American people are strong and proud and they will not allow our country and all of its values, history, and culture to be taken from them.


lowbrow said:
Well I don’t see the problem with this speech.  He’s clearly talking about the rioters, but for some reason you’re conflating rioters with protesters.

Why is that?

Whether we're talking about rioters or protestors, he's clearly making a distinction between "Americans" and "them". Are you going to agree with him and say that the rioters are not Americans? Even if someone commits a crime, that doesn't mean that they aren't American anymore, and it certainly doesn't mean that the crime was an attempt to "wipe out history", "defame our heroes", "erase our values", or "indoctrinate our children". It's an unfair misrepresentation of the rioter's position, and a rioter doesn't deserve to have his position misrepresented just because he's a rioter. The rhetoric Trump is using in that speech is obviously divisive and hostile. I also think it's funny that Trump, of all people, is talking about "erasing our values" when he has sexually assaulted women before (and openly bragged about it). Then again, maybe assaulting women is just an American value :shrug:

Also, I find it interesting that you're accusing me of conflating protestors with rioters. When another forum member have made a post about peaceful protestors (specifically not rioters - an example thread would be one about the wall of mothers in Portland - clearly not rioters), you were quick to point out that the rioters at that event burned down a government building. It seems to me that you're just as willing to conflate the rioters and protestors as I am (or, at least, label the peaceful protestors as 'guilty by association'), but you're only willing to do so when it conveniently supports your right wing narrative.

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Re: About the Pandemic in America [Re: Ice9]
    #26858033 - 08/02/20 12:49 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Donald Trump is clearly talking about the rioters.

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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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