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is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot?
#26857671 - 08/01/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hiya! So previously one of my friends gave me a capsule filled with 20mg of 4-aco-dmt and it felt like an emotionally heavy trip but I didnt experience very intense visuals or anything. Overall though it was an extremely present and warm trip. Its 7 months later and I was hoping to try it again but this time I was looking to experience something stronger. They told me that 60mg shouldnt be too difficult for me since I have quite a bit of experience with psychedelics but I said that id prefer 50mg and they said that it should just be a "small" step up from the 20mg trip lol. Does anyone have any experience with 50mg or around that? Is it really just a small step up lmao.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: MuckPeddler] 1
#26857744 - 08/01/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes. That’s more than twice the original dose, PsychonautWiki lists 15-25mg as a common dose, 25-45 mg as a strong dose, and 45+ as a heavy dose. I find their dosing guides to be a decent general guideline when it comes to tryptamines. But differences can vary per individual , better safe till you know your way around it. In case I wasn’t clear - It’s a big step up, not a small one.
Wait for others to chime in.
Edited by The Blind Ass (08/02/20 10:51 AM)
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: MuckPeddler]
#26857746 - 08/01/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had dosages from 20mgs, 25mgs, 30mgs, 35mgs, and 50mgs. Personally with 4-ACO, 35mgs is a good dosage with MAO-A inhibition like when using Harmalas or Moclobemide, but 50mgs on it's own was a way better dosage than anything lower on it's own, so i say try the 50mgs and see what you think. Though with that said, i feel like for me personally, maybe 70 to 80 to 100mgs of 4-ACO would be my upper dose limit, but i haven't yet taken that much, 50mgs was good, way better than 20 to 25mgs to 30 to 35mgs, but i feel like 70 to 100mgs would be a lot more to my liking. 50mgs is not a small step up from 20mgs, i've given a few friends 20 to 25mgs and they liked that dosage and considered it to be strong enough, but for me it was like a low dose experience, strong but not what i'm looking for, 50mgs things start getting pretty wild and it feels great, can be intense but the overall experience is way better. I imagine 70 to 100mgs will give me more of what i'm looking for in a more fully immersive dosage like i'm used to with Aya/Psilo-huasca. So i say give the 50mgs a try, it should get ya going pretty good, then depending on how that does i'd recommend trying 70 to 75mgs, and depending on how that goes maybe try going up to 100 to 125mgs if you're wanting a heavier experience. But imo 50 to 75mgs should be approx the better dosage range for what people need.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: Sabnock]
#26857753 - 08/01/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now when it comes to Psilohuasca on the other hand, which i highly recommend with 4-ACO, 35mgs of 4-ACO with 2.5 grams of Syrian Rue, and for me 4 grams of Lemon Balm, was my best Psilohuasca experience to date, it was fully immersive, it was freaking amazing, way better than anything i've gotten from 4-ACO on it's own so far even at 50mgs, but then again mushrooms or 4-ACO on their own is a bit different compared to mixing them with Harmalas for Psilohuasca, overall i much prefer the Psilohuasca than mushrooms or 4-ACO on their own, but each Psilohuasca and mushrooms/4-ACO alone have different things to offer.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: MuckPeddler]
#26857939 - 08/01/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, 50mg is a lot. I wouldn't go higher than 30mg personally. And not necessarily even because of the effects directly, but because I got some serious dry heaving after 30mg. My favorite dose is probably between 20-25mg.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: Sabnock]
#26857950 - 08/01/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't take 50mg.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: nooneman]
#26857952 - 08/01/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Think of 50 mg as ~5 g of really potent mushrooms. That assumes ~1% actives, or 10 mg actives per dried gram of mushrooms. The potent woodlovers are closer to 1% than cubes, and you'd have to be fucking nuts to take 5 g of a woodlover like Psilocybe cyanescens or allenii.
https://erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_dmt/4_acetoxy_dmt_dose.shtml
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: breeg89]
#26857963 - 08/01/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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From my extensive research, cubes will generally range between ~6mg - ~10mg per gram, so it could be like 5 grams of mushrooms, or it could be like 8.33 grams . At an average of ~8mg per gram, it's like 6.25 grams, which is still quite a dose.
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^ Just curious, how do you know the mg of actives per gram in your cubes? Or you just mean from published research it's around 6-10 mg per gram?
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: breeg89]
#26857986 - 08/01/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Keep in mind, people may have different sensitivies and preferences, though in general i think people don't realize there's different levels of experience and effects to Psychedelics. It also depends on what you're looking for, like if you just wanna take a low dose and chill or watch something or hang with friends and have a good time or hike or whatever, or if you want to lay in bed with the lights out, music going, and dive deep into yourself and fully immerse yourself into the experience. Even at lower dosages people can still have pretty immersive and strong experiences, but there's a lot more to things and other levels to be experienced as the dosage increases. So just something to keep in mind. Also, playing into the sensitivity aspect, Psilocin is metabolized partly by MAO-A, so like how with Psilohuasca the Psilocin can be potentiated and dosage increased by the MAO-A inhibition, some people may have lower or higher amounts of MAO-A which i would think would play into determining one's personal dosage. Aside from that though, i do think some people just don't dive in deep enough and are satisfied with the surface levels of things. Reminds me of a quote from Pinchbeck - "Reality, as you currently experience it, is something like a waking dream. It is disguising deeper and more intensified levels of being and knowing. For those who are ready and willing, the doors to those other levels now stand open."
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26858004 - 08/01/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for helping me out! But I do find that I am pretty sensitive to psychedelics as they hit me pretty quickly but for the trip that I had on 20mg I just felt like I could not dive deep enough. I did want a more healing/introspective trip or at least thats what I was hoping to experience and I wasnt sure if 50mg could lead to that or if it would just extend beyond personal healing lol. Maybe ill bump it down to 40mg though and if thats not enough ill try and work my way up.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: MuckPeddler]
#26858064 - 08/02/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try checking out the Psilohuasca using 35mgs of 4-ACO and 2.5 grams of Syrian Rue, possibly add 4 grams of Lemon Balm to that, i think you'll like it :P
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26858156 - 08/02/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your 20mg may have been more of a threshold dose for you. For me its also between 2 and 2.5g of shrooms and that's where it starts to get interesting but not overpowering. But 50 or 60 is nuts when you think about dose/response and is definitely not a small step up from a 20mg dose. I question your friend's intelligence on this a bit here. 40, 50, 60mg may all give you 5g+ experiences. Are you familiar with those and do you know what you're doing?
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: breeg89]
#26858598 - 08/02/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
breeg89 said: ^ Just curious, how do you know the mg of actives per gram in your cubes? Or you just mean from published research it's around 6-10 mg per gram?
This is just based on research of published research of cube potency and personal experience of comparing doses.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: MuckPeddler] 1
#26858785 - 08/02/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would personally consider what doses you like with mushrooms and go from there. If a 5-6g mushroom trip isn't out of the ordinary then 50mg would be about normal. I'm not usually big on low doses so the 20-30mg range never really wowed me. It's not until 40mg+ that I personally start feeling like I'm enjoying the substance 
Can 50mg be strong though? Oh yes.
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That dose made me lock myself in the bathroom for 4 hours when I tried it. I could not see my hand through all the visuals and fractals. It was stupid intense but amazing once it was over. If you want to try it then go for it, but I recommend having a sober sitter to help you through any difficulties you may encounter. I think everyone should have their brain melted once as long as they understand the risks
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Also forgot to mention that one can dissolve the 4-ACO into some distilled water or some other drink, and sip on it for 10 to 20 minutes for a smoother/gentler come up. One can also make a 4-ACO cookie by putting the dose in some cookie dough or something and baking it in the oven, works like a charm, kicks in a bit slower/gentler compared to taking the pure powder. So that way one can take a higher dose and have it kick in more like eating mushrooms compared to drinking a mushroom or lemontek tea.
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: LittleBoard]
#26859869 - 08/02/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont doubt you for questioning their intelligence on this subject thats why I brought the question to the forum 😂; They first offered 70mg and I was like “heck no”. The most ive taken with shrooms is 2g so I wouldnt say that im experienced, ive taken up to 3.5 tabs of lsd though so I have had some wild trips. Ill try to find what I need for that mixture though that sounds interesting!
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Re: is 50mg of 4-aco-dmt a lot? [Re: Sabnock]
#26859871 - 08/02/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice!! Im gonna try this because when I first took it the comeup caused me to fall down and I couldnt stand up it was very disorienting for me LOL.
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🤣 oh wow, ya know I wouldnt mind a trip that does that and at least I know what I could be in for now. Im going to keep a friend with me though for sure just to watch over me hahaha.
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