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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26847276 - 07/27/20 07:26 AM (18 days, 12 hours ago)

The positive pressure could offset leaky seals.

I'll be sitting next to the old gal with the ino-one oxygen generator."What lovely earnings you have my dear, quite exquisite"


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26847770 - 07/27/20 12:04 PM (18 days, 7 hours ago)

vit D & covid



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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26847900 - 07/27/20 01:08 PM (18 days, 6 hours ago)

ok took some with my thc and chased it with carrot juice.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26848224 - 07/27/20 03:37 PM (18 days, 3 hours ago)

You might disCERN the origins of the Universe when you add acceleration (celery) to that carrot juice.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #26855986 - 07/31/20 06:25 PM (14 days, 1 hour ago)

Did I miss a source for his "people who are deficient" numbers? I have no idea how anyone would know that of the populace at large. I've had blood tests but they don't test for vit d by default.

Reference: ~1:05-1:15, and again 19:00-19:15

That sounds potentially like a sample pool of individuals who were already presenting issues related to vit D and as a result were tested for low vit D. Misleading if so. But it could be just as well made up outright to suit the agenda since there was 0 source :lol:

FWIW I do take a vit D supplement and so far the entire workforce has stayed covid-19 free here to date :thumbup:


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26856617 - 08/01/20 03:51 AM (13 days, 15 hours ago)

All of my blood tests, even with my standard, shitty regular doctor tested for vitamin D.  They won't often tell you about it unless it's insanely low, but if they're not testing yours as a general health measure you should get a new doctor.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26857201 - 08/01/20 12:16 PM (13 days, 7 hours ago)

I get a lipid panel and a basic metabolic panel when I get my blood tests during regular check ups. Neither one includes a vit. d measurement. That would be another test added on just to check for vit. d. Not sure why your doc is ordering that? Do you have symptoms of vit d. deficiency? 

Lipid panel - Cholesterol
BMP - electrolytes, calcium, glucose, sodium, potassium, carbon dioxide, chloride, blood urea nitrogen and creatinine

Here's a quick article from Harvard about testing for vit. d:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vitamin-d-testing-recommended-people-201411267547

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After reviewing the results of 25 vitamin D studies, the panel concluded that it isn’t helpful for most people to know their vitamin D level. For one thing, experts don’t agree on what low vitamin D means. Some laboratories define it as below 20 nanograms per milliliter (ng/mL), others set it at below 50 ng/mL. In addition, tests for vitamin D aren’t standardized or reliable.

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In the meantime, there’s no practical reason for most people to get a vitamin D test. But there are exceptions, says Dr. Manson. People who might need testing include those who:

  • have osteoporosis or other bone-health problems
  • have conditions that affect fat absorption, including celiac disease or weight-loss surgery
  • routinely take medications that interfere with vitamin D activity, including anticonvulsants and glucocorticoids





Still the question about a source remains. Maybe I'm alone in thinking that statistical pandering should be taken with a grain of salt or less without a source.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26857205 - 08/01/20 12:18 PM (13 days, 7 hours ago)

mine is usually low, so I take my wife's pills when I remember.
(every day this week since the thread started)


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26857449 - 08/01/20 03:31 PM (13 days, 4 hours ago)

Yeah the mainstream medical community doesn't generally think it's all that important, but your vitamin D level effects a whole lot of other things (it's an excellent indicator of your immune system strength in general, as we are now finding out), and any good natural doctor will check it with other blood tests. 

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the panel concluded that it isn’t helpful for most people to know their vitamin D level




LOL.

I'm not sure what tests they ran to conclude that it isn't helpful to know your level of an important vitamin, but that's just funny...


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26857600 - 08/01/20 05:42 PM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

And that's in part because of unreliable testing. Which is something asanine to ignore IMO.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26857644 - 08/01/20 06:17 PM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

I don't think it's so much the testing itself that's unreliable, just pointless since:

A. Most doctors can't agree on what number is the threshold for "good".

and,

B. This is mostly because that number varies from person to person.  IE; you can be fine at a 30, while my level needs to be well over 50 to be optimal.

I think that's why they say it's "unhelpful" for people to know their vitamin D number, because most people themselves don't even know what their optimal number is.  It takes frequent testing, and close attention to symptoms to figure out how high you need the number at to feel best. 


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26858576 - 08/02/20 10:30 AM (12 days, 9 hours ago)

So self reported feelings of wellness based on self administered dosages. What's the need for the test again?


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26858950 - 08/02/20 01:37 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

So you learn what your number is, and try to keep your levels right around there.

It's a fat soluble vitamin so you can't just take mega-doses daily like vitamin C and piss all the extra out.  You have to learn how much to take every day, over time, and it will change depending on season, stress, etc.

So that's the main reasons you'd want to get tested frequently.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26859034 - 08/02/20 02:13 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

Well I go once a year for wellness checkups. Maybe in the future if I need more frequent visits I'll get more holistic with the approach. But I started taking a vit d supplement during the winters here. Northern hemisphere woes ya know.

I take 2000mcg and the misses takes 4000. Natural discrepancy in terms of feel between us even though I'm the larger body.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26859045 - 08/02/20 02:21 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

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So self reported feelings of wellness based on self administered dosages. What's the need for the test again?



bone health.

it's a test that is matched to bone density.


as we age our bones shrink and become brittle if we do not get enough vitamin d which lets the body absorb calcium which is necessary for bone health. but we need to exercise too or even if we take the vitamin we wont use the calcium in our bones .

otherwise it is instrumental in some way hormonally and immunologically.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26859062 - 08/02/20 02:31 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

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Well I go once a year for wellness checkups. Maybe in the future if I need more frequent visits I'll get more holistic with the approach. But I started taking a vit d supplement during the winters here. Northern hemisphere woes ya know.

I take 2000mcg and the misses takes 4000. Natural discrepancy in terms of feel between us even though I'm the larger body.




Yeah that's not a bad place to start for sure!

You'd might be surprised how much is necessary for some people though... I take 15000/day just to keep over ~40ish where I feel best.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26859102 - 08/02/20 03:03 PM (12 days, 4 hours ago)

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redgreenvines said:
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Kickle said:
So self reported feelings of wellness based on self administered dosages. What's the need for the test again [outside of the reasons the Dr. from the Harvard article listed?]



bone health.

it's a test that is matched to bone density.


as we age our bones shrink and become brittle if we do not get enough vitamin d which lets the body absorb calcium which is necessary for bone health. but we need to exercise too or even if we take the vitamin we wont use the calcium in our bones .

otherwise it is instrumental in some way hormonally and immunologically.





Yeah that was sloppy language on my part. I shorthanded mentally and it came out in my writing due to the existing context with Forrester.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26859109 - 08/02/20 03:05 PM (12 days, 4 hours ago)

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Kickle said:
Well I go once a year for wellness checkups. Maybe in the future if I need more frequent visits I'll get more holistic with the approach. But I started taking a vit d supplement during the winters here. Northern hemisphere woes ya know.

I take 2000mcg and the misses takes 4000. Natural discrepancy in terms of feel between us even though I'm the larger body.




Yeah that's not a bad place to start for sure!

You'd might be surprised how much is necessary for some people though... I take 15000/day just to keep over ~40ish where I feel best.





That seems like a lot... have you been taking vit d for a long time and has that amount changed? Tolerance? Or an initial flood that told the system it needed that much? What's your guess?


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Kickle]
    #26859152 - 08/02/20 03:24 PM (12 days, 4 hours ago)

It's nothing relating to me in particular, ie; tolerance, my doctor commonly prescribes 10,000mcg+ per day to get people's numbers up. 

My best guess is a lot of people probably have absorption issues with it, as a lot of Americans do with a lot of nutrients, I think mostly due to our diet of processed foods.  Or maybe our vit. D stores get depleted from stress.  But that's just my opinion, who knows? :shrug:

It could also just be that 15000mcg really isn't that high of a number.  A good portion of modern-day Americans (including myself) really don't really spend any appreciable amount of time outdoors, in the sun.  Not surprising we would be deficient in vitamin D.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Forrester]
    #26859161 - 08/02/20 03:27 PM (12 days, 4 hours ago)

Sure


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